WaPo editorial still doesn’t believe Maliki, Iraqi officials

The editorial board of the Washington Post continues to be a mysterious group, making strange arguments that are detached from the paper’s own reporting. Indeed, the gap between the quality of the WaPo’s news division and editorial division is greater than at any major newspaper in the country.

The Post’s unwavering editorial support for the war in Iraq has been well-established, but today, the WaPo outdoes itself with an editorial that seems to reject reality altogether.

The initial media coverage of Barack Obama’s visit to Iraq suggested that the Democratic candidate found agreement with his plan to withdraw all U.S. combat forces on a 16-month timetable. So it seems worthwhile to point out that, by Mr. Obama’s own account, neither U.S. commanders nor Iraq’s principal political leaders actually support his strategy.

Over the last several days, we’ve learned that both the democratically-elected prime minister and the spokesperson for the Iraqi government support Obama’s withdrawal timeline of 2010. Maliki, in fact, did so, by name, without prompting. But the Post still doesn’t believe Iraq’s principal political leaders are on board with Obama’s policy.

And why does the WaPo editorial board continue to deny what is plainly true?

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who has a history of tailoring his public statements for political purposes, made headlines by saying he would support a withdrawal of American forces by 2010. But an Iraqi government statement made clear that Mr. Maliki’s timetable would extend at least seven months beyond Mr. Obama’s.

But this, too, is wildly disconnected from the facts.

First, if Maliki’s public endorsement of Obama’s policy was “tailored” for “political purposes” — and that remains an open question — it’s still not good news for supporters of the Bush/McCain policy. As Matt Yglesias explained the other day, “Even granting the premise that Maliki’s statements are purely about Iraqi domestic politics, all this amounts to is the fact that Barack Obama’s plan for Iraq is, according to both the Maliki government and the McCain campaign’s analysis, the only way forward that’s politically viable in Iraq.”

Second, it’s not at all “clear” that the Maliki timetable would “extend at least seven months beyond” Obama’s. Iraqi officials, including the prime minister, said 2010. Obama said 2010. More importantly, Maliki specifically said Obama’s policy was the way to go.

And third, is this really the argument the WaPo wants to hang its hat on? As Josh Marshall noted, “The reckless inexperience of Obama is now contained within the yawning gap between Obama’s plan for 16th months and the Iraqis’ plan for as long as 23 months.”

The Post editorial added this bizarre point about Iraq’s oil:

While the United States has an interest in preventing the resurgence of the Afghan Taliban, the country’s strategic importance pales beside that of Iraq, which lies at the geopolitical center of the Middle East and contains some of the world’s largest oil reserves.

I see. Afghanistan — where 9/11 was launched, and where the Taliban and al Qaeda are — isn’t as important because it doesn’t have oil.

Not only is this ridiculous from a national security perspective, it’s also wrong from a policy perspective.

It’s important to be clear about what’s at stake when it comes to Iraqi oil. Lots of oil is already under the control of hostile (Iran, Venezuela) or not-especially-friendly (Russia) governments. But that doesn’t deprive American consumers of oil. Nor does it make oil more expensive. The Saudis and the Norwegians don’t sell us discount oil. There’s a global market and a global price. The American consumer filling up his tank doesn’t see a difference if the oil’s from Mexico or Equatorial Guinea or Kuwait, doesn’t see a difference if the oil’s owned by TotalFinaElf or ExxonMobil or Citgo. War for oil doesn’t mean cheap oil for you.

What it does mean is protection for companies that have invested in Iraqi oil. Those fields could be a good investment. But there’s a lot of “political risk.” And insofar as Iraq is playing host to a large occupying military force and has a government that’s dependent on that military force to stay in power, that political risk is mitigated. Which is great if you have a contract to drill for Iraqi oil, but really stinks as a national security priority for the United States (and it’s bad for the economy to boot). Certainly I wouldn’t say that it’s more important than taking the fight to al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Osama bin Laden.

I wonder how often Post reporters are embarrassed by the paper’s editorial page. After today, I suspect the number has gone up considerably.

I am getting really sick of the WaPo’s editorial staff. And to have to listen to wingnuts calling the WaPo a “liberal” paper almost makes me gag.

And I still don’t get where the WaPo gets the basis for their argument that the Iraqis mean the END of 2010 and thus are Seven (they used to say Eight until they read TCBR) months different from Obama. Obama’s timeline, if implemented by him as President, would end in 2010, which agrees with exactly what the Iraqi Government has said, from everything I’ve been able to read.

  • How many times and how many different ways does Maliki and the Iraqi government have to say it before WAPO will believe it? It makes one think that the members of the Editorial Board have some big investments in the oil companies and/or Halliburton. To even bring up the oil reserves in an editorial about the accuracy of Maliki’s statements is ludicrous. Is Bob Novak on the Editorial board there?

  • It’s called p-r-o-p-a-g-a-n-d-a.

    When the history of this election is written, there is going to be a THICK chapter on how much the American public was ABUSED by the “news media”.

    If its not criminal, it should be.

  • Nashville_fan said:

    It’s called p-r-o-p-a-g-a-n-d-a.

    When the history of this election is written, there is going to be a THICK chapter on how much the American public was ABUSED by the “news media”.

    If its not criminal, it should be.

    *********************

    It is criminal .. it is purposeful FRAUD committed against the American people. No different than the 8 years of lies, deceptions, propaganda of THE SHIT-STAIN-IN CHIEF himself .. plus the entire REPIGLICAN PARTY ……… now in the form of McBush et all….. Look at what Katie “i love my white house gangbangs’ did yesterday on her ‘news’ relative to the cut and paste of McCains quote, or what the used Repiglican BUT PLUG called Andrea Mitchell did with Obama by saying his interviews were ‘fake interviews’ … These evil corporate pigs/ pimps should be charged, tried, and convicted for purposeful, criminal, fraud committed against the Amercian people and frog marched out of the protection of their corporate studios and right into prison and turned into ‘bitches’ for the enjoyment of the inmates

  • Indeed, the gap between the quality of the WaPo’s news division and editorial division is greater than at any major newspaper in the country.

    Uh, Wall Street Journal?????

  • read the trancript from Ruth Marus’s (I can’t spell) online chat today. It will answer your questions.

  • Between Obama’s “residual force” and his open-ended Afghanistan commitment I suspect we’re going to be angry about the war for many many years. Obama, as good as his intentions may be, will probably generally betray us on the war. But he’s good on a lot of other issues.

  • Starting at the next President’s inauguration, a pullout in 2010 is between 11 and 23 months. Obama’s 16 month falls almost halfway between these two “extremes”. Of course nothing’s quite as extreme as McCain’s suggestion of 1200 months, but whatever.

    I tell ya, that’s some good editorializing. And by good, I mean shitty.

  • Welllllllll .. I’ve always felt that Bush wanted to invade Iraq for the oil. I haven’t seen anything since that has changed my mind.

    But regardless of why Bush et alia wished to invade a sovereign nation that posed no threat to us & had not attacked us, I have to say, it’s just a stroke of genius to have done so. After all, we need that oil, right? So what better way to make friends and influence people in the area than by INVADING A COUNTRY & OCCUPYING IT?

    It’s a sterling example of Republican thinking.

  • Can these corporate media companies be sued for libel by one of their readers? This is definitely an example of them distributing false information to their readers and presenting it as fact.

    Certainly with the CBS thing – they deliberately modified their taping of the McCain interview to present a false report to their viewers. Isn’t that slander? Couldn’t one of their viewers sue them?

    I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t know. Perhaps if there are some who chime in here, maybe they could shed some light …

  • I think this may be another example of the MSM being behind the curve. In spite of the evidence that most Americans have finally seen through the Right’s distortions of reality, the Post is terrified that it may be tarred as “unbalanced” and part of the “liberal media.” So they cave, just when the public is finally noticing that “conservatives” have wrecked a system they’ve had free rein of since Reagan. Sort of like Dennis Miller– thought that he felt the wind blowing from the Right, and made a career decision to be on the winning side. Just like the Post editorial board. Too bad for them that the wind has changed.
    Tacking to the Right isn’t likely to bring them new readers, and a lot of us are really disgusted by the decline of their opinion pages– who actually LIKES Gerson’s swill, anyway? I’m waiting for an “editorial” any day now, apologizing for breaking the Watergate story.

  • Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame’s husband, said two years ago that he dropped his Washington Post subscription when he realized the Post’s editors weren’t reading what their reporters were writing.

  • Maybe we should replace the political reporters with sports reporters.

    They might be able to come up with a way to explain the difference between strategy and tactics.

    Here is one example:

    Strategy: Hire a bunch of sluggers and try to win with homeruns, or hire fast base runners and hope to make up for poor hit statistics.

    Tactics: sit on a fastball on an 3-1 count. Arrange your lineup to match game opponent.

    Tactics in McCain’s case: play game 1 prior to game 2, or hire players before claiming they helped win any games (mass clairvoyant psychology), yell at the umpire, kick dirt, blow top, cork bat, etc.

  • Can any paper or news organization in this country be trusted to give you the actual facts?????????

  • Dale said: “Between Obama’s “residual force” and his open-ended Afghanistan commitment I suspect we’re going to be angry about the war for many many years. Obama, as good as his intentions may be, will probably generally betray us on the war.”

    Well, I’ll be honest here. I want us out of Iraq because the commitment is destroying moral and capacity in the Army and Marines, as well as generating a lot of maimed veterans who will cost America hundreds of billions of dollars a year for the next half century. If we get our regular Army, Reserves and National Guard out so they can recover, refit and restore their fighting capacity, but leave Special Forces (Navy Seals, Green Berats, Rangers and so on) in Iraq to fight al Qaeda in Iraq and train the Iraqi military (that’s what the Green Berats do), that will be fine by me.

    So I don’t think I’ll feel betrayed. Sorry Dale, I can’t join you in your pre-comdemnation.

  • Matthew asks: Certainly with the CBS thing – they deliberately modified their taping of the McCain interview to present a false report to their viewers. Isn’t that slander? Couldn’t one of their viewers sue them?

    Yes, but you would lose, because the courts have ruled that when corporations deliberately distort the news they are excercising their “free speech” rights. They can fire reporters who refuse to lie for them, and then they will sue those reporters for court costs after the reporters sue them under whistleblower protection law.

    Got all that?

    Read it and weep:
    http://www.relfe.com/media_can_legally_lie.html

  • Indeed, the gap between the quality of the WaPo’s news division and editorial division is greater than at any major newspaper in the country.

    Four words: The Wall Street Journal. ‘Nuff said.

  • Can these corporate media companies be sued for libel by one of their readers? This is definitely an example of them distributing false information to their readers and presenting it as fact.

    Certainly with the CBS thing – they deliberately modified their taping of the McCain interview to present a false report to their viewers. Isn’t that slander?

    IANAL, but no, it isn’t libel or slander (it wouldnt be slander anyway; slander is spoken and libel published). In neither case is the falsehood defamatory, and if it were, only the individual or individuals harmed would have standing to sue.

    As for fraud, well, have the TV news shows to this day acknowledged the Pentagon military expert boondoggle?

  • To take a leading question playbook agenda (Copyright GOP), here’s what needs to be asked:

    Some say that McCain is detached from reality, how would you respond?

    Some say the WaPo doesn’t know facts from propaganda, what do you think?

    Some say CBS is “incompetent and misleading”, should they be held accountable?

    Is McCain too old and stupid to be President?* (*Copyright FOX news)

    Some say these “gaffes” of McCain are “misleading lies and political propaganda”, do you think this is true? If not, why not?

    Come on CBs – What other questions would inquiring minds want to know?

  • Friedman’s column for the Times was pretty lame today. His favored “McBama” strategy is really just what Obama has espoused all along–16 months *tailored to account for conditions on the ground*. This is same modifier that, according to Friedman, combines the Obama and McCain policies.

    Lazy, stupid editorializing that attempts to find a middle ground where none exists. Obama is right, McCain is wrong. It’s that simple, and there is no middle ground to the matter.

  • Screw all this bipartisan fair and balanced crap because so far the MSM has proven to be the propaganda arm of the republican corporate agenda which is the Money Party (containing both dems and repubs). If you haven’t figured out by now that these neocon republicans are enemies of democracy and traitors to the constitution and supported and enabled by a complicit press to push the industrial-military-governmental-media complex agenda of establishing a corporate fascist state then you are doomed to complicity.

    From drigtglass: “…My Party spent 30 years lying, cheating, and clawing our way to power and calling anyone who stood in our way a traitor.

    To sieze power we methodically annihilated the very idea of political comity in America, and when we were at the peak of Gingrich-fever, we laughing at anyone who suggested that compromise was a virtue.

    And once we achieved our goal of running every branch of government, we proceeded to destroy everything we touched. We mocked the dead and dying of New Orleans. Broke whole countries. Bankrupted the nation enriching a handful of plutocrats. Pissed away an international reputation it took fifty years of skill and patience to construct.

    And now that we are falling into the abyss we created – now that all the consequence the hated Dirty Fucking Hippies warned us about are coming to pass – we’d like to, uh, move past partisanship and, uh, all get along.
    OK?…” snip

    and this: “…..Redneck Plutocrats look at America and see a lovely, private, gated-community adjoining a member’s only country club that has been bequeathed to the GOP by Sweet Baby Conservative Jebus.

    And because that is their absolutely genuine assessment of the Heavenly Purpose of the Land of the Free – and their God-ordained position of preeminence in the Celestial Order of things — they always have and always will be congenitally incapable of understanding why the field hands grumble about their lot in life when they should fucking well be sitting happily around on the porch, singin’ spirituals, and praising the Boss Man.

    Don’t the peons understand how good they have it?…”

    This is what the MSM and beltway establishment press has been selling us for years….profit and loss politics. We have allowed the press and the government to be privatized and bought to make the money party corporate fascist state take shape. We are running out of time to stop it. Groups like Pac Blue is a first step in hitting the “people” and not the party enabling this coporatocracy.

    btw…if you still haven’t googled “Operation Mockingbird” or read the many references to this ongoing program you are missing out on an underlying motivation for the MSM which adds an eye opening perspective.

  • How many months are we going to have in 2010? Who the hell cares if it takes 11 or 16 or 24 months at this point- just get the troops out of there!

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