{"id":10033,"date":"2007-02-25T09:00:44","date_gmt":"2007-02-25T14:00:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/archives\/10033.html"},"modified":"2007-02-25T09:00:44","modified_gmt":"2007-02-25T14:00:44","slug":"sunday-discussion-group-88","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/sunday-discussion-group-88\/","title":{"rendered":"Sunday Discussion Group"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The Clinton-Obama dust-up seemed to get most of the attention this week, but there was another noteworthy exchange between two very high-profile political figures this week that deserves another look.<\/p>\n<p>Dick Cheney, speaking to ABC about the war in Iraq, <a href=\"http:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/Politics\/story?id=2891738\">said<\/a>, &#8220;I think if we were to do what Speaker Pelosi and Congressman Murtha are suggesting, all we&#8217;ll do is validate the al Qaeda strategy.&#8221; The good news is, Pelosi&#8217;s office didn&#8217;t want to let the comments go unchallenged. The less good news was the chosen response.<\/p>\n<p>Pelosi literally <a href=\"http:\/\/thinkprogress.org\/2007\/02\/21\/pelosi-beats-back-cheney-smear\/\">called the White House<\/a> to complain. The Speaker&#8217;s office also released a press statement to Bush saying, &#8220;You cannot say as the president of the United States, &#8216;I welcome disagreement in a time of war,&#8217; and then have the vice president of the United States go out of the country and mischaracterize a position of the speaker of the House and in a manner that says that person in that position of authority is acting against the national security of our country.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>This led Cheney to take <a href=\"http:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/Politics\/print?id=2898330\">another shot<\/a>. &#8220;I&#8217;m not sure what part of it is that Nancy disagreed with,&#8221; the VP said. &#8220;She accused me of questioning her patriotism. I didn&#8217;t question her patriotism. I questioned her judgment.&#8221; Cheney also mocked Pelosi for calling the president, but not being able to reach him directly (the Speaker spoke to Chief of Staff John Bolten instead).<\/p>\n<p>I like the fact that Pelosi&#8217;s office took a stand, but the response had a &#8220;I&#8217;m telling Dad&#8221; quality to it.<\/p>\n<p>I think we can probably come up with a better response, if we think about it.<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nJosh Marshall offered a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.talkingpointsmemo.com\/archives\/012609.php\">helpful perspective<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I don&#8217;t know how many times this needs to be said: stop complaining that [Cheney&#8217;s] questioning anybody&#8217;s patriotism. Or Pelosi&#8217;s judgment. Or any of it. I know it&#8217;s a dicey phrase, especially when it&#8217;s being employed against a woman. But I think explanatory value outweighs other sensitivities. This is a perfect example of the GOP&#8217;s bitch slap theory of electoral politics. Cheney criticize; Dems, Pelosi, whoever says it&#8217;s unfair.<\/p>\n<p>The point of the whole exercise is not the underlying issue of Pelosi but what the exchange is supposed to demonstrate about both players &#8212; that Cheney is strong (he hits) and Pelosi is weak (she complains when attacked.)<\/p>\n<p>Why complain about anything Dick Cheney says? The man is simply too big a fool to hold any job of responsibility in the national government. Think of his history of failure, terrible judgment, reckless endangerment of the country. It&#8217;s hard to imagine that there&#8217;s anyone in this country not under active federal surveillance who has done more to advance the al Qaeda agenda than Dick Cheney. [&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s true. So say it. Don&#8217;t whine. Don&#8217;t complain. The idea that Dick Cheney is telling anyone what helps or harms al Qaeda is comic. Bleak comedy, but comic nonetheless. Say so.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Barack Obama didn&#8217;t come right out and make Josh&#8217;s point, but he seems to be on the right track. At a huge rally in Texas the other day, Obama responded to Cheney&#8217;s assertion that it&#8217;s a sign of progress that the British are withdrawing from Iraq. &#8220;Dick Cheney said this is all part of the plan (and) it was a good thing that Tony Blair was withdrawing, even as the administration is preparing to put 20,000 more of our young men and women in,&#8221; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.kxan.com\/global\/story.asp?s=6130030\">Obama said<\/a>. &#8220;Now, keep in mind, this is the same guy that said we&#8217;d be greeted as liberators, the same guy that said that we&#8217;re in the last throes. I&#8217;m sure he forecast sun today,&#8221; Obama said to laughter from rained-on supporters holding campaign signs over their heads to keep dry. &#8220;When Dick Cheney says it&#8217;s a good thing, you know that you&#8217;ve probably got some big problems.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Exactly. Mockery is often the best response, particularly when dealing with someone who&#8217;s been as wrong as Cheney. It led Jonathan Zasloff to come up with a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.samefacts.com\/archives\/the_permanent_campaign_\/2007\/02\/simile_contest_dick_cheney_edition.php\">fun idea<\/a>: time for a simile contest! Fill in the blank: &#8220;Dick Cheney attacking someone&#8217;s judgment is like ____________&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s give the Dems a hand and come up with some good ones.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Clinton-Obama dust-up seemed to get most of the attention this week, but there was another noteworthy exchange between two very high-profile political figures this week that deserves another look. Dick Cheney, speaking to ABC about the war in Iraq, said, &#8220;I think if we were to do what Speaker Pelosi and Congressman Murtha are [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[617],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-10033","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10033","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=10033"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10033\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=10033"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=10033"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=10033"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}