{"id":12520,"date":"2007-08-13T09:45:39","date_gmt":"2007-08-13T13:45:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/archives\/12520.html"},"modified":"2007-08-13T09:45:39","modified_gmt":"2007-08-13T13:45:39","slug":"kos-vs-ford","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/kos-vs-ford\/","title":{"rendered":"Kos vs. Ford"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Meet the Press offered one of the more compelling line-ups in a while yesterday morning, with the &#8220;debate&#8221; between Daily Kos&#8217; Markos Moulitsas and Democratic Leadership Council Chairman Harold Ford, Jr. You&#8217;d think, given recent history, that there is no love lost between the two, and a high-profile confrontation on national television could lead to some fireworks.<\/p>\n<p>That didn&#8217;t happen. It was a fascinating, substantive discussion about the future of the party, but the interaction was about improving Democrats&#8217; electoral prospects, not drawing blood. (You can watch the video of the discussion online <a href=\"http:\/\/www.msnbc.msn.com\/id\/10005066\/\">here<\/a> or <a href=\"http:\/\/www.crooksandliars.com\/2007\/08\/12\/mtp-markos-discusses-the-emergence-of-the-netroots-movement\/\">here<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p>Ed Kilgore, who used to work for the DLC, offered <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedemocraticstrategist.org\/strategist\/2007\/08\/ford_and_markos_slugfest_or_lo.php\">this take<\/a>, which I largely agree with.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The much-anticipated face-off between DLC chairman Harold Ford, Jr. and DailyKos founder Markos Moulitsas on Meet the Press happened this morning. And it wasn&#8217;t quite the slugfest most people expected. Ford nicely undercut the netroots-demonizing reputation of the DLC by repeatedly praising the importance of the netroots to recent Democratic successes, and pledging to attend next year&#8217;s Netroots Nation (nee YearlyKos) gathering. And Markos abandoned his usual DLC-is-dead line by treating Ford&#8217;s organization as representing a serious faction in the Democratic Party &#8212; and indeed, by agreeing to debate Ford in the first place. Both men made a lot of billing and cooing noises, and ended the session with a handshake.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ford seemed anxious to smooth the waters, mentioning twice how much he respected Markos and the work that he does. Markos graciously noted that, ideally, he&#8217;d be sitting next to <i>Senator<\/i> Ford on the program, in reference to Ford&#8217;s unsuccessful campaign in Tennessee last year.<\/p>\n<p>The program was definitely worth watching (or, in the case of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.msnbc.msn.com\/id\/20214115\/\">transcript<\/a>, reading), but I wanted to highlight one serious error Ford made, which helps demonstrate some of the confusion (read: ignorance) institutional Dems have about the online community.<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nShortly after Kos suggested that Ford and the DLC stop appearing on Fox News, there was this exchange:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>REP. FORD:  But, but, Markos, in all fairness, your site has posted awful things about Jewish-Americans.  Your site&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>MR. MOULITSAS:  That&#8217;s not true.<\/p>\n<p>REP. FORD:  &#8230;has offered&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>MR. MOULITSAS:  It&#8217;s not allowed.<\/p>\n<p>REP. FORD:  You\u2014now you have a site up about&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>MR. MOULITSAS:  It&#8217;s not allowed.<\/p>\n<p>REP. FORD:  &#8230;something about Cindy Sheehan, she uses it as a\u2014she has a heavy presence there in talking about her run against&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>MR. MOULITSAS:  It&#8217;s called democracy&#8230;. I don&#8217;t control hundreds of thousands of voices.  You and your organization have a few dozen people.  You can control that message. And you don&#8217;t need to attack Democrats.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ford was trying to make a very cheap shot, but more importantly, he was highlighting just how little he understands about blogs. By arguing that Daily Kos features &#8220;awful things about Jewish-Americans,&#8221; Ford was implying that Markos runs some kind of anti-Semitic forum. That&#8217;s patently absurd. Daily Kos is a large community, and sometimes, people in a community will occasionally say offensive things. To besmirch Kos&#8217; site this way, on national television, was O&#8217;Reilly-esque. If Ford doesn&#8217;t know better, he has a lot to learn.<\/p>\n<p>It was an offensive remark, but I don&#8217;t want to be overly negative about the program. Ford agreed to appear at next year&#8217;s Yearly Kos (aka Netroots Nation), and the DLC apparently wants to be inside the Democratic fold, not outside.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>MR. MOULITSAS:  &#8230;I&#8217;m looking forward to hopefully merging factions.  Everybody else in the party coalition has come together. You&#8217;re the lone holdout.  I hope that&#8217;s not the case next year.<\/p>\n<p>REP. FORD:  We&#8217;ll be there, and I hope you are as well.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Did anyone else see it? 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