{"id":13358,"date":"2007-10-25T11:15:21","date_gmt":"2007-10-25T15:15:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/archives\/13358.html"},"modified":"2007-10-25T11:15:21","modified_gmt":"2007-10-25T15:15:21","slug":"giuliani-on-waterboarding-it-depends-on-how-its-done","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/giuliani-on-waterboarding-it-depends-on-how-its-done\/","title":{"rendered":"Giuliani on waterboarding: &#8216;It depends on how it&#8217;s done&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In recent weeks, it appears that Rudy Giuliani has changed his campaign strategy a bit. Over the summer, the former mayor positioned himself as a pragmatic choice for Republicans, billing himself as a candidate who could compete in &#8220;blue&#8221; states and win a national election. It quickly became an awkward pitch, and Giuliani frequently came across as a buffoon, but that was the strategy.<\/p>\n<p>More recently, however, he&#8217;s apparently lost his mind. &#8220;Buffoon&#8221; is out; &#8220;lunatic&#8221; is in. Consider <a href=\"http:\/\/thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com\/2007\/10\/25\/in-his-own-words-giuliani-on-torture\/\">his comments<\/a> at a town-hall meeting in Iowa last night.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Linda Gustitus, who is the president of a group called the National Religious Campaign Against Torture, began her question by saying that President Bush&#8217;s nominee for attorney general, Michael B. Mukasey (who happens to be an old friend of Mr. Giuliani&#8217;s) had &#8220;fudged&#8221; on the question of whether waterboarding is torture.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I wanted to ask you two questions,&#8221; she said. &#8220;One, do you think waterboarding is torture? And two, do you think the president can order something like waterboarding even though it&#8217;s against U.S. and international law?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Giuliani responded: &#8220;Okay. First of all, I don&#8217;t believe the attorney general designate in any way was unclear on torture. I think Democrats said that; I don&#8217;t think he was.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Ms. Gustitus said: &#8220;He said he didn&#8217;t know if waterboarding is torture.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Giuliani said: &#8220;Well, I&#8217;m not sure it is either. I&#8217;m not sure it is either. It depends on how it&#8217;s done. It depends on the circumstances. It depends on who does it. I think the way it&#8217;s been defined in the media, it shouldn&#8217;t be done. The way in which they have described it, particularly in the liberal media. So I would say, if that&#8217;s the description of it, then I can agree, that it shouldn&#8217;t be done. But I have to see what the real description of it is. Because I&#8217;ve learned something being in public life as long as I have. And I hate to shock anybody with this, but the newspapers don&#8217;t always describe it accurately.&#8221; (Applause)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>At the risk of sounding impolite, these are the words of a crazy person.<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nRemember, Giuliani is running for president as an <i>expert<\/i> on counter-terrorism and national security policy. And yet he told this Iowa audience that he doesn&#8217;t know whether waterboarding is torture, and doesn&#8217;t know if newspapers can be trusted to describe the torture technique. Apparently, reality continues to have a &#8220;well-known liberal bias.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Giuliani, adding to his thoughts on waterboarding, also said:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Sometimes they [journalists] describe it accurately. Sometimes they exaggerate it. So I&#8217;d have to see what they really are doing, not the way some of these liberal newspapers have exaggerated it.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It&#8217;s like listening to Bush without the charm.<\/p>\n<p>On a related note, Giuliani, who used to oppose the NRA and file gun-control lawsuits, said in New Hampshire this week that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.foxnews.com\/story\/0,2933,304838,00.html\">blind people should be able to carry firearms<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Republican presidential front-runner Rudy Giuliani is leaving the door open to allowing the blind and physically disabled to carry guns.<\/p>\n<p>During a town hall meeting in northwestern New Hampshire Tuesday night, Giuliani told a former police officer blinded in the line of duty and concerned about the former New York City mayor&#8217;s stance on guns, &#8220;You don&#8217;t have to worry.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;You have a constitutional right, that is protected, to bear and carry arms. It is the Second Amendment,&#8221; Giuliani told about 200 attendees in a high school gymnasium in Lebanon. &#8220;If someone disagrees with that, you have to get the Constitution changed.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>He added that he believes in only three restrictions for those wishing to exercise their Second Amendment right &#8212; a previous criminal record, a history of mental instability and an age requirement.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>No vision, no problem. You want a gun, it&#8217;s yours.<\/p>\n<p>Breathtaking.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In recent weeks, it appears that Rudy Giuliani has changed his campaign strategy a bit. Over the summer, the former mayor positioned himself as a pragmatic choice for Republicans, billing himself as a candidate who could compete in &#8220;blue&#8221; states and win a national election. 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