{"id":14594,"date":"2008-02-15T11:00:19","date_gmt":"2008-02-15T16:00:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/archives\/14594.html"},"modified":"2008-02-15T11:00:19","modified_gmt":"2008-02-15T16:00:19","slug":"waterboarding-leads-lieberman-to-lose-his-mind","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/waterboarding-leads-lieberman-to-lose-his-mind\/","title":{"rendered":"Waterboarding leads Lieberman to lose his mind"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Occasionally, we&#8217;ll hear that Joe Lieberman is generally in line with Democrats, but makes an exception on the war in Iraq and a neocon worldview of foreign policy. When it comes to values and domestic policy, the argument usually goes, Lieberman is generally reliable.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s just <a href=\"http:\/\/www.connpost.com\/localnews\/ci_8265434\">erase that thought from our minds<\/a> now, shall we?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman reluctantly acknowledged Thursday that he does not believe waterboarding is torture, but believes the interrogation technique should be available only under the most extreme circumstances.<\/p>\n<p>Lieberman was one of 45 senators who voted Wednesday in opposition to a bill that would limit the CIA to the 19 interrogation techniques outlined in the Army field manual. That manual prohibits waterboarding, a method where detainees typically are strapped to a bench and have water poured into their mouth and nose making them feel as if they will drown.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8220;We are at war,&#8221; Lieberman said. &#8220;I know enough from public statements made by Osama bin Laden and others as well as classified information I see to know the terrorists are actively planning, plotting to attack us again. I want our government to be able to gather information again within both the law and Geneva Convention.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Does Lieberman believe the U.S. ability to torture detainees is limitless? No, he says. He would not, for example, approve of &#8220;putting burning coals on people&#8217;s bodies&#8221; in order to obtain potentially life-saving intelligence from terrorists.<\/p>\n<p>The difference, Lieberman said, is that those subjected to waterboarding are &#8220;in no real danger.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s a genuine shame to see Joe Lieberman hit the bottom of the barrel &#8212; and then drill a hole large enough to fall a little more.<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nWaterboarding is torture. It&#8217;s always been torture. It was utilized during the Spanish Inquisition as a torture technique, and hasn&#8217;t improved with age. One need only read <a href=\"http:\/\/smallwarsjournal.com\/blog\/2007\/10\/waterboarding-is-torture-perio\/\">the description<\/a> of the practice written by the former Master Instructor and Chief of Training at the US Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School to see that no other label but &#8220;torture&#8221; applies.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We are at war&#8221;? In context, Lieberman was, of course, referring to the &#8220;war on terror,&#8221; which will presumably never end, given that it&#8217;s a war against a tactic that has been, and will be, used forever. In other words, Lieberman isn&#8217;t exactly recommending torture on a limited, short-term basis &#8212; which would be offensive enough &#8212; but rather a pro-torture standard that would exist indefinitely.<\/p>\n<p>Lieberman did say he wants our interrogation techniques to work within the Geneva Conventions. That&#8217;s an interesting standard &#8212; given that waterboarding <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/id\/2179934\/\">is<\/a> &#8220;torture under the Geneva Conventions and has been treated as a war crime in the United States for decades.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>As for Lieberman&#8217;s notion that detainees who are waterboarded are &#8220;in no real danger,&#8221; one wonders if Lieberman can even hear himself talk. Waterboarding is a controlled drowning in which the subject&#8217;s gag reflex is overpowered by pouring water, water involuntarily fills his or her lungs, and the subject slowly begins to suffocate. The possibility of death is constant. &#8220;No real danger&#8221;? That&#8217;s just pathetic.<\/p>\n<p>During World War II, when the Japanese waterboarded U.S. troops, we considered it a war crime and executed the torturers. Now, Joe Lieberman not only seems to believe we were wrong to do so, but also that we should follow the Japanese&#8217;s lead and utilize their WWII interrogation techniques. It&#8217;s hard to overstate how disgusting this is.<\/p>\n<p>I am curious, though, how Lieberman might respond to a follow-up question. Why would torture though controlled-drowning be fully legal and acceptable, while torture with &#8220;burning coals&#8221; would be beyond the pale? If we believe there&#8217;s an imminent terrorist attack, and Jack Bauer needs to save the day, he should be able to fill a suspect&#8217;s lungs with water, but he shouldn&#8217;t be able to put burning coals on the guy&#8217;s skin? <i>This<\/i> is the well-thought-out interrogation standard Joe Lieberman has come up with?<\/p>\n<p>This guy is a disgrace. If he were capable of shame, now would be a good time for it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Occasionally, we&#8217;ll hear that Joe Lieberman is generally in line with Democrats, but makes an exception on the war in Iraq and a neocon worldview of foreign policy. When it comes to values and domestic policy, the argument usually goes, Lieberman is generally reliable. Let&#8217;s just erase that thought from our minds now, shall we? 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