{"id":15709,"date":"2008-05-30T14:25:24","date_gmt":"2008-05-30T18:25:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/archives\/15709.html"},"modified":"2008-05-30T14:25:24","modified_gmt":"2008-05-30T18:25:24","slug":"mccain-wants-to-debate-the-meaning-of-the-phrase-pre-surge","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/mccain-wants-to-debate-the-meaning-of-the-phrase-pre-surge\/","title":{"rendered":"McCain wants to debate the meaning of the phrase &#8216;pre-surge&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Following up on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/archives\/15702.html\">an item<\/a> from this morning, <a href=\"http:\/\/thinkprogress.org\/2008\/05\/29\/mccain-falsely-claims-mosul-is-quiet\/\">John McCain told<\/a> a Wisconsin audience yesterday, &#8220;I can look you in the eye and tell you [the president&#8217;s policy in Iraq is] succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul, and now Sadr city are quiet and it&#8217;s long and it&#8217;s hard and it&#8217;s tough and there will be setbacks.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>It was jarring to hear McCain call Mosul &#8220;quiet&#8221; the same day as a couple of suicide bombers killed at least 19 people, including 14 police recruits. But it&#8217;s McCain&#8217;s belief that we have &#8220;drawn down to pre-surge levels&#8221; that seems especially odd.<\/p>\n<p>McCain, who claims some kind of expertise in military affairs and foreign policy, should know that the U.S. presence in Iraq won&#8217;t go down to 140,000 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/content\/article\/2008\/05\/19\/AR2008051902174.html\">until the end of July<\/a>. For him to tell an audience of voters that we&#8217;re already at &#8220;pre-surge levels&#8221; is not only plainly false, it&#8217;s embarrassing, especially given McCain&#8217;s recent bouts of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/archives\/15419.html\">confusion and incoherence<\/a> on Iraq policy.<\/p>\n<p>On a conference call this morning, <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.usatoday.com\/onpolitics\/2008\/05\/obama-mccain-su.html\">John Kerry raised<\/a> asalient point:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;If you don&#8217;t know the numbers of troops, it&#8217;s very difficult to make a judgment about whether or not they&#8217;re over-extended. It&#8217;s also very hard to have an understanding, as a citizen, about what levels of troops he&#8217;s going to keep there. If he thinks 150,000 is &#8216;pre-surge,&#8217; and that&#8217;s where he&#8217;s going to stay, that&#8217;s a deeply over-extended military, and it raises serious questions about his comprehension of this challenge.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Exactly. If McCain is just a little slow on the uptake, it would only be mildly humiliating for the guy who&#8217;s been wrong about every facet of the war for six years. But the fact that he&#8217;s still confused about basics &#8212; like how many U.S. troops are in Iraq right now &#8212; raises doubts about whether he can shape a realistic policy for a war he doesn&#8217;t understand.<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nThe McCain campaign has responded with <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.usatoday.com\/onpolitics\/2008\/05\/obama-mccain-su.html\">a statement<\/a> from spokesman Tucker Bounds:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Clearly John Kerry and Barack Obama have very little understanding of troop levels, but considering Barack Obama hasn&#8217;t been to Iraq in 873 days and has never had a one on one meeting with Gen. Petraeus, it isn&#8217;t a surprise to anyone that he demonstrates weak leadership.  <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;What informed people understand, John McCain included, is that American troops are not even close to surge levels.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>First, you&#8217;ll notice reading over McCain campaign press releases that they throw around &#8220;weak leadership&#8221; whether it makes sense or not. Like Giuliani using &#8220;9\/11,&#8221; the McCain gang have a kind of Tourette&#8217;s that leads them to throw around &#8220;weak leadership&#8221; at random moments, seemingly for no reason.<\/p>\n<p>Second, it&#8217;s hard not to admire this ridiculous effort at spinning a demonstrable mistake. McCain said, &#8220;We have drawn down to pre-surge levels.&#8221; Tucker Bounds wants us to believe that we&#8217;re not &#8220;informed&#8221; if we listen to what McCain said and believe he meant it.<\/p>\n<p>Taking this one step further, Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), asked on a campaign conference call about McCain&#8217;s confusion, responded, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/thinkprogress.org\/2008\/05\/30\/mccain-call-nitpicking\/\">So what?<\/a>&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Obama campaign spokesman Hari Sevugan <a href=\"http:\/\/my.barackobama.com\/page\/community\/post\/samgrahamfelsen\/gGBmHf\">concluded<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;The McCain campaign still can&#8217;t explain why John McCain could be so clearly and factually wrong in stating that our troops are at &#8216;pre-surge&#8217; levels. They are not, and anyone who wants to be Commander-in-Chief should know better before launching divisive political attacks.  Once again, Senator McCain has shown that he is far more interested in stubbornly making the case for continuing a failed policy in Iraq than in getting the facts right.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>McCain could prevent incidents like these if he&#8217;d take a moment to learn about what&#8217;s going on in the war he&#8217;s championed for six years. I know it&#8217;s complicated, but if he wants to be the Commander in Chief, he should probably be able to understand the basics.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Following up on an item from this morning, John McCain told a Wisconsin audience yesterday, &#8220;I can look you in the eye and tell you [the president&#8217;s policy in Iraq is] succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul, and now Sadr city are quiet and it&#8217;s long and it&#8217;s hard and it&#8217;s [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[617],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-15709","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15709","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=15709"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15709\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=15709"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=15709"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=15709"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}