{"id":2262,"date":"2004-08-04T14:15:32","date_gmt":"2004-08-04T19:15:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/archives\/2262.html"},"modified":"2004-08-04T14:15:32","modified_gmt":"2004-08-04T19:15:32","slug":"looking-ahead-to-the-debates","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/looking-ahead-to-the-debates\/","title":{"rendered":"Looking ahead to the debates"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I know the next &#8220;big thing&#8221; on the political calendar is the Republican convention later this month, but I keep looking past it and thinking about the debates. The first match-up, assuming Bush agrees to the schedule, will be in Miami eight weeks from tomorrow.<\/p>\n<p>The Commission on Presidential Debates deserves credit for being clever. This year, instead of negotiating with the campaigns for times and places, it simply chose locations and created a schedule on its own and asked the campaigns to agree. Wisely, the Commission chose swing states for each event &#8212; Miami, St. Louis, and Tempe for the presidential debates, Cleveland for the vice presidential debate &#8212; making it harder for the campaigns to say no.<\/p>\n<p>At this point, Kerry has (somewhat enthusiastically) embraced the Commission&#8217;s proposal. The Bush gang, meanwhile, is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2004\/ALLPOLITICS\/07\/15\/prez.debate\/\">playing coy<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Steve Schmidt, spokesman for the Bush-Cheney campaign, would not say when a decision might be reached on the schedule.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We look forward to a vigorous debate with the Kerry campaign on the issues. We welcome the opportunity to discuss the terms at the appropriate time,&#8221; Schmidt said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I hope that singular &#8220;debate&#8221; was not meant literally.<\/p>\n<p>In any event, the Boston Globe&#8217;s Steven Stark had <a href=\"http:\/\/www.boston.com\/news\/politics\/debates\/articles\/2004\/08\/03\/its_the_debates_stupid\/\">a column<\/a> yesterday on this in which he suggested this year&#8217;s exchanges could have more meaning than of the debates from recent cycles.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This year, more than any year since 1960, the election will come down to one thing: which candidate impresses the American people the most in that reality television series otherwise known as the fall televised debates.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I think this has some merit; I&#8217;m just not sure if it&#8217;s good or bad.<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nStark argues that the debates have been largely inconsequential since JFK faced Nixon 44 years ago. On this, I think he&#8217;s mistaken. Indeed, it&#8217;s not an entirely fair sample &#8212; after the 1960 campaign, presidential candidates didn&#8217;t debate again until 1976.<\/p>\n<p>That said, there have been several instances in which debates have had a significant impact. Reagan and Clinton, for example, used the debates to demonstrate their ability to appear &#8220;presidential&#8221; against incumbents the public was ready to vote against. Ford&#8217;s suggestion that the Soviet Union had limited authority in Poland in &#8217;76 caused considerable embarrassment in a very close campaign. Dukakis&#8217; infamous death-penalty answer in &#8217;88 clearly did considerable harm to his prospects.<\/p>\n<p>And, much to my chagrin, W. Bush managed to somehow convince viewers four years ago that he was competent enough to be president, all evidence to the contrary not withstanding.<\/p>\n<p>Which brings me to this year. Who&#8217;s likely to benefit most from these debates? There&#8217;s no obvious answer.<\/p>\n<p>I know many (too many) Dems who are anxiously looking forward to them, assuming that Kerry will embarrass Bush and get a boost in the polls. Forget it. Everyone thought the same thing four years ago and look where it got us.<\/p>\n<p>Indeed, many hoped Bush would have one of those Ford-in-&#8217;76 screw-ups that would show how unprepared he was. The truth is Bush <i>did<\/i> have such a moment &#8212; he falsely <a href=\"http:\/\/www.issues2000.org\/Archive\/Wake_Forest_debate_Foreign_Policy.htm\">accused Russia&#8217;s former prime minister<\/a> of embezzling IMF funds. Bush had no proof to bolster the charge, and he was later threatened with a slander suit over the false accusation, but political reporters showed little interest in the gaffe and the public was hardly alerted to the mistake at all.<\/p>\n<p>James Fallows had <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/issues\/2004\/07\/press-preview\/fallows.htm\">a must-read item<\/a> on Bush&#8217;s and Kerry&#8217;s relative debating skills in last month&#8217;s issue of The Atlantic in which he notes that neither of these candidates has ever really lost a debate.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Neither George Bush nor John Kerry has suffered more than an occasional lapse or setback in a debate. Neither has &#8220;lost&#8221; a contest in the only way that matters: a serious post-debate decline in the polls or an electoral defeat. Bush&#8217;s achievement is the more surprising, because he has entered every debate at a presumed disadvantage and has had to be a giant-slayer. Ann Richards was the most celebrated orator in Texas, having succeeded U.S. Representative Barbara Jordan in that role. Garry Mauro, whom Bush trounced in his re-election campaign in 1998, was an experienced and knowledgeable Texas official. In 2000 Bush&#8217;s main opponent in the presidential primaries, John McCain, was beloved by the press for his mordant &#8220;straight talk.&#8221; And in the general election Bush had to face Al Gore, who until then had manhandled a long series of debate opponents. Bush beat every one of them &#8212; in the election and, to judge by post-debate poll results, in the debates as well.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I think Kerry will probably be more effective than Gore. Not only will he learn from his predecessor&#8217;s mistakes, but Kerry has more practice. Four years ago, Bradley wasn&#8217;t much of a primary foe and Gore hadn&#8217;t endured many of these events. Kerry, meanwhile, has had to appear in what seems like hundreds of pre-Iowa debates against some pretty good rivals.<\/p>\n<p>Similarly, Gore went into the debates after eight years as VP, where he didn&#8217;t have to engage in many rhetorical fights. Kerry, on the other hand, has been in the Senate for the last couple of decades, an institution that effectively serves as a very exclusive debating society, where he has honed his skills.<\/p>\n<p>With Kerry&#8217;s strengths in mind, I think there are two things to watch for in the coming months. The first is the near-desperate attempt to <i>lower expectations<\/i>. If the media keeps insisting that Bush will come across as a drooling child against Kerry&#8217;s exceptional abilities, there&#8217;s no way Kerry can compete &#8212; if Bush speaks in almost-complete sentences, he&#8217;s the winner.<\/p>\n<p>The other is to see how Kerry tries to take advantage of Bush&#8217;s central vulnerability in this setting, which Fallows described well.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>On February 15, four days before the vote, Bush and McCain appeared together on Larry King Live (along with Alan Keyes, the motormouth former ambassador, who was still in the race). [&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>McCain held a tight smile. &#8220;Let me tell you what really went over the line,&#8221; he said shortly afterward, when asked by King for a reply. At a recent Bush rally Bush had stood alongside someone McCain called &#8220;a spokesman for a fringe veterans&#8217; group,&#8221; who had denounced McCain for &#8220;abandoning&#8221; Vietnam veterans. <\/p>\n<p>With feigned politeness, McCain told Bush, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know if you can understand this, George, but that really hurts. It really hurts.&#8221; No mention of McCain&#8217;s service as a military pilot, nor of his imprisonment and torture in the &#8220;Hanoi Hilton&#8221;; everyone knew what McCain meant. McCain turned to King. &#8220;And so five United States senators &#8212; Vietnam veterans, heroes, some of them really incredible heroes &#8212; wrote George a letter and said, &#8216;Apologize.&#8217; You should be ashamed.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Bush sputtered, &#8220;Let me speak to that &#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>McCain faced him again, calm but contemptuous: &#8220;You should be ashamed.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>It went on for minutes. Bush protested McCain&#8217;s underhanded tricks &#8212; why, one of McCain&#8217;s supporters, the former senator Warren Rudman, had said that the Christian Coalition included &#8220;bigots.&#8221; Of McCain&#8217;s military heroism Bush lamely said, &#8220;I&#8217;m proud of your record, just like you are,&#8221; and conceded &#8212; in an &#8220;okay, are you happy now?&#8221; tone &#8212; that McCain had &#8220;served his country well&#8221; and had not abandoned veterans. But he was still unhappy himself: &#8220;You can disagree with me on issues, John, but do not question &#8212; do not question my trustworthiness, and do <i>not<\/i> compare me to Bill Clinton.&#8221; It was Bush&#8217;s worst onstage moment in the 2000 campaign. He managed to sound both self-righteous and rattled by McCain&#8217;s direct challenge to his tactics and implied slight to his courage.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What do you want to bet Kerry&#8217;s well aware of this moment?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I know the next &#8220;big thing&#8221; on the political calendar is the Republican convention later this month, but I keep looking past it and thinking about the debates. The first match-up, assuming Bush agrees to the schedule, will be in Miami eight weeks from tomorrow. The Commission on Presidential Debates deserves credit for being clever. 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