{"id":3459,"date":"2005-02-01T09:30:14","date_gmt":"2005-02-01T14:30:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/archives\/3459.html"},"modified":"2005-02-01T09:30:14","modified_gmt":"2005-02-01T14:30:14","slug":"at-this-point-the-debate-isnt-even-close","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/at-this-point-the-debate-isnt-even-close\/","title":{"rendered":"At this point, the debate isn&#8217;t even close"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The debate over privatizing Social Security is, at its root, a fight over politics and spin. For Bush and other proponents, that&#8217;s a good thing, because if this discussion rested exclusively on a policy debate, opponents of the privatization scheme would have already won in a knock-out.<\/p>\n<p>Pointing to a Paul Krugman column is almost too easy at this point, but it&#8217;s important that everyone <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2005\/02\/01\/opinion\/01krugman.html\">read his explanation<\/a> of the fundamental contradiction upon which the privatizers&#8217; argument is based.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[P]rivatizers can rescue their happy vision for stock returns by claiming that the Social Security actuaries are vastly underestimating future economic growth. But in that case, we don&#8217;t need to worry about Social Security&#8217;s future: if the economy grows fast enough to generate a rate of return that makes privatization work, it will also yield a bonanza of payroll tax revenue that will keep the current system sound for generations to come.<\/p>\n<p>Alternatively, privatizers can unhappily admit that future stock returns will be much lower than they have been claiming. But without those high returns, the arithmetic of their schemes collapses. <\/p>\n<p>It really is that stark: any growth projection that would permit the stock returns the privatizers need to make their schemes work would put Social Security solidly in the black.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It&#8217;s really that simple. Bush and his cohorts would have us believe they can take money out of Social Security and into private accounts without hurting Americans&#8217; long-term returns because economic growth will be strong in the coming decades. Simultaneously, they also argue that private accounts are necessary because economic growth will be weak in coming decades. <\/p>\n<p>By any reasonable standard, this is point, set, match. We win, they lose; their house of cards has tumbled. As <a href=\"http:\/\/www.talkingpointsmemo.com\/archives\/week_2005_01_30.php#004612\">Josh Marshall put it<\/a>, it&#8217;s this line of reasoning &#8220;which, if anyone were paying attention, would stop the whole debate in its tracks.&#8221;<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nAnd as if Krugman&#8217;s explanation wasn&#8217;t damaging enough, there&#8217;s also the <a href=\"http:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/Politics\/wireStory?id=459845\">latest news<\/a> from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.<\/p>\n<p>In the CBO&#8217;s latest assessment of Social Security&#8217;s long-term health, the agency said the system will take in more money annually than it pays out in benefits until 2020. What&#8217;s so significant about that? Well, last year, the CBO said the year was 2018. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cbo.gov\/showdoc.cfm?index=5530&#038;sequence=2\">Six months ago<\/a>, it was 2019. At this rate, by the 4th of July, it&#8217;ll be 2022.<\/p>\n<p>As <a href=\"http:\/\/maxspeak.org\/mt\/archives\/001101.html\">Max noted<\/a>, it&#8217;s this not-exactly-iron-clad estimate that is fueling the White House drive for privatization.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>So by all means, let&#8217;s have more radical policy changes based on 100 year projections. Hell, 500 year projections! We are so good at making predictions. We produce so many of them.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Senator Gordon Smith (R-Ore.) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2005\/02\/01\/national\/01assess.html?oref=login\">told the New York Times<\/a> this week, &#8220;A lot of us expressed the view that the president started the debate [over Social Security] and the other side is finishing the debate.&#8221; Until that changes, it seems this fight is over before it starts.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The debate over privatizing Social Security is, at its root, a fight over politics and spin. For Bush and other proponents, that&#8217;s a good thing, because if this discussion rested exclusively on a policy debate, opponents of the privatization scheme would have already won in a knock-out. 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