{"id":6472,"date":"2006-01-29T09:12:44","date_gmt":"2006-01-29T14:12:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/?p=6472"},"modified":"2006-01-29T09:12:44","modified_gmt":"2006-01-29T14:12:44","slug":"sunday-discussion-group-34","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/sunday-discussion-group-34\/","title":{"rendered":"Sunday Discussion Group"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As a rule, I find talk about impeaching Bush to be an occasionally fun diversion, but little more. The focus for Bush&#8217;s critics should be on curtailing his agenda and winning as many elections as possible in November. With a Republican Congress, plotting the president&#8217;s removal from office seems largely unproductive.<\/p>\n<p>But since the Sunday Discussion Group is often a useful forum for unrealistic thought experiments, let&#8217;s give this a go: if Dems <i>were<\/i> in power, should impeachment be a serious consideration? Don&#8217;t answer too quickly; there are some pros and cons to consider.<\/p>\n<p>Taking up the con side recently was the estimable Ezra Klein, who <a href=\"http:\/\/ezraklein.typepad.com\/blog\/2006\/01\/file_under_post.html\">made a compelling case<\/a> that a) impeaching Bush would give us President Cheney, who would help choose an heir apparent for &#8217;08; b) voters may not perceive impeachment as absolutely necessary, which could cause voters to punish Dems the way they punished Newt &#038; Co. for Clinton&#8217;s impeachment in &#8217;98; and c) if impeachment becomes a routine second-term response to political scandals, it may permanently undermine institutional government. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.prospect.org\/weblog\/archives\/2006\/01\/index.html#008959\">Sam Rosenfeld touched on<\/a> similar concerns Thursday.<\/p>\n<p>Shortly thereafter, Pandagon&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/pandagon.net\/2006\/01\/26\/impeach-the-fucker-let-us-consider-seriously-and-dispassionately\/\">jedmunds suggested<\/a> a) Cheney could probably be impeached right along with Bush; and b) assumptions about an electoral backlash are unfounded; and c) the &#8217;98 comparison is unhelpful because the circumstances are so different. jedmunds nevertheless concludes that the Republicans took a &#8220;frivolous and irresponsible&#8221; approach to impeachment when it came to Clinton, so Dems &#8220;should be really really timid about the matter, and in fact they should be so cautious, that they shouldn&#8217;t do it, even if most people think it would be a good idea.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>And taking up the matter-of-fact approach is Lindsay Beyerstein, who <a href=\"http:\/\/majikthise.typepad.com\/majikthise_\/2005\/12\/the_bar_stays_p.html#comment-12176268\">argued<\/a>, &#8220;An impeachment is like an indictment. People who have a lot of evidence against them deserve to be indicted. Whether their cases are heard before a grand jury (or the Senate) shouldn&#8217;t depend on whether it&#8217;s expeditious to enforce the law in this particular case.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The issue is also generating attention and analysis from liberal news outlets such as <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thenation.com\/docprint.mhtml?i=20060130&#038;s=holtzman\">The Nation<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.texasobserver.org\/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=2117\">The Texas Observer<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>So, what say you? Is impeachment a pipe dream? A serious part of the Dem agenda? An issue that should play a role in the 2006 elections?<\/p>\n<p>Discuss.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As a rule, I find talk about impeaching Bush to be an occasionally fun diversion, but little more. The focus for Bush&#8217;s critics should be on curtailing his agenda and winning as many elections as possible in November. With a Republican Congress, plotting the president&#8217;s removal from office seems largely unproductive. But since the Sunday [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[617],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6472","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6472","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6472"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6472\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6472"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6472"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6472"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}