{"id":9542,"date":"2007-01-07T09:00:22","date_gmt":"2007-01-07T14:00:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/archives\/9542.html"},"modified":"2007-01-07T09:00:22","modified_gmt":"2007-01-07T14:00:22","slug":"sunday-discussion-group-81","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/sunday-discussion-group-81\/","title":{"rendered":"Sunday Discussion Group"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In all likelihood, if every leak of the last several weeks is to be believed, the president is going to unveil his &#8220;new way forward&#8221; in Iraq in a couple of days. Democrats, in Congress and out, aren&#8217;t going to like it &#8212; the strategy will probably include an escalation of thousands of troops, it will reject even a hint of redeployment or withdrawal, and will extend our commitment to the conflict well into the future.<\/p>\n<p>The question is: what on earth are Democrats going to do about it? Just as importantly, what <i>can<\/i> they do about it?<\/p>\n<p>Newly elected Rep. Nancy Boyda (D-Kan.) almost certainly has the wrong idea. Asked if she could support a troop escalation, Boyda characterized it as a fait accompli for the entire legislative branch of government. Bush, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.crooksandliars.com\/2007\/01\/05\/is-boyda-nuts\/\">she said<\/a>, &#8220;is the commander in chief&#8230;. We don&#8217;t get that choice. Congress doesn&#8217;t make that decision.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>That, of course, is <a href=\"http:\/\/thinkprogress.org\/2007\/01\/05\/congress-escalation\/\">entirely wrong<\/a>, but it does touch on a certain uncomfortable reality: the Dems&#8217; options are somewhat limited. The most common proposal &#8212; having Congress de-fund the war &#8212; is problematic. For one thing, Nancy Pelosi (hardly a war supporter) has said the option is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.msnbc.msn.com\/id\/16057734\">off the table<\/a>. For another, as Barney Frank <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tnr.com\/blog\/theplank?pid=69227\">explained<\/a> during an interview with Keith Olbermann on Wednesday, the administration would work around it.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>OLBERMANN: Are you fearful that if you were to cut the money off, if you were to actually refuse to bankroll it, as a Congress, that the money would be spent, there&#8217;d still be money spent to send them there, without protecting them, or&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>FRANK: Well, that&#8217;s the problem. It could be spent. The fact is that the Pentagon budget could&#8211;other money could be taken from other purposes and spend it. You couldn&#8217;t do it just by voting no money. You would have to say&#8211;you&#8217;d have to pass something that said, None of the [money] that we&#8217;re voting can be used for this. But it&#8217;s too late for that. We&#8217;ve already voted for the defense budget for the year&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>He already has hundreds of billions of dollars legally in his possession to spend. So there is, in fact, no way, I think, to cut off the money, unless we were to pass a law and he would veto it. So we are frustrated in that extent.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Needless to say, this is wholly unsatisfying. The nation seems to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/stories\/2007\/01\/04\/opinion\/polls\/main2330862.shtml\">desperately want<\/a> Congress to do <i>something<\/i>, but what?<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nThe WaPo&#8217;s E. J. Dionne Jr. had a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/content\/article\/2007\/01\/04\/AR2007010401344.html\">good column<\/a> on Friday that noted, among other things, that if Bush wants to &#8220;continue or expand the Iraq war, Congress has precious few tools available to stop the commander in chief.&#8221; One of the measures under consideration, however, is a reconsideration of the original authorization-of-force resolution from October 2002.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Even Bush&#8217;s critics doubt that the broadest measure, cutting off funds for the president&#8217;s policies, could be effective or has the votes to pass. Yet Bush&#8217;s opponents will be emboldened if he embarks on a surge, especially if it is not linked to what Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), the new chairman of the Armed Services Committee, calls &#8220;milestones&#8221; for political reconciliation that the Iraqi government will have to reach. Levin, whose views are shared by many Democrats, also insists that any surge should be part of an &#8220;overall plan of troop reduction&#8221; that would begin &#8220;within four to six months.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Given the limited options, Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.), the Foreign Relations Committee chairman, has suggested to his colleagues that the strongest response to the surge would be a congressional resolution explicitly opposing the step.<\/p>\n<p>Whereas cutting off funds is a &#8220;hollow threat,&#8221; Biden said in an interview this week, a congressional resolution could have a powerful effect if it drew support from the significant number of Republican senators who are increasingly alienated from Bush&#8217;s policies. Biden, who expects to offer his proposal at a meeting of Democratic senators today, argued that an anti-surge resolution might not bind the president but would exert considerable pressure on him to reconsider his approach.<\/p>\n<p>More intriguing, Biden is studying whether Congress might reconsider the original Iraq war resolution, now as out of date as the administration&#8217;s prewar claims. The resolution includes references to a &#8220;significant chemical and biological weapons capability&#8221; that Iraq didn&#8217;t have and repeated condemnations of &#8220;the current Iraqi regime,&#8221; i.e., the Saddam Hussein regime that fell long ago. In effect, the resolution authorizes a war on an enemy who no longer exists and for purposes that are no longer relevant.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What kind of options do you think the Dems should consider? What should Congress&#8217; role be in stopping a president bent on a disastrous military policy?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In all likelihood, if every leak of the last several weeks is to be believed, the president is going to unveil his &#8220;new way forward&#8221; in Iraq in a couple of days. Democrats, in Congress and out, aren&#8217;t going to like it &#8212; the strategy will probably include an escalation of thousands of troops, it [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[617],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-9542","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9542","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9542"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9542\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9542"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9542"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9542"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}