{"id":9756,"date":"2007-01-28T09:00:07","date_gmt":"2007-01-28T14:00:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/archives\/9756.html"},"modified":"2007-01-28T09:00:07","modified_gmt":"2007-01-28T14:00:07","slug":"sunday-discussion-group-84","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevebenen.com\/thecarpetbaggerreport\/sunday-discussion-group-84\/","title":{"rendered":"Sunday Discussion Group"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The presidential fields, on both sides of the aisle, are slowly taking shape. Exploratory committees are in place; fundraising is underway; the race for staffers is fairly intense; and we&#8217;re already seeing early polls in Iowa and New Hampshire. Voters, activists, reporters, and establishment types are starting to decide what, exactly, is the most important quality in a presidential candidate.<\/p>\n<p>And a whole lot of them have decided that &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/online.wsj.com\/article\/SB116848455389573401.html?mod=politics_primary_hs\">electability<\/a>&#8221; trumps them all.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>For a party long known for subjecting presidential wannabes to a battery of litmus tests, on issues from abortion to trade, Democrats are uniting in raising one big issue for 2008: electability.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It&#8217;s not just Dems. In one of the more noteworthy campaign-related blog posts of the week, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.redstate.com\/stories\/elections\/2008\/they_all_suck\">Red State noted<\/a> the GOP field this week with some disdain &#8212; and noted the candidate most deserving of far-right support can&#8217;t win.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>They all suck. Let&#8217;s just admit it. Every one of the thus far announced Republican candidates for President sucks. From the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.joinrudy2008.com\/?gclid=COrc98_e-YkCFRQxUAodkRDRTg\">lecherous adulterer<\/a> to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.exploremccain.com\/?sid=google\">egomaniacal nut job<\/a> to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mittromney.com\/\">flip-flopping opportunist<\/a> with the perfect hair to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.teamtancredo.com\/\">the guy who hates brown people<\/a> to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gohunter08.com\/\">guy we&#8217;ve never heard<\/a> of to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.t-worx.com\/Default.aspx?alias=www.t-worx.com\/brownback\">guy who has a better chance of getting hit by a meteor<\/a> while being consumed by a blue whale being struck by lightening.<\/p>\n<p>They all suck. (Well, okay, Brownback doesn&#8217;t suck at all, but I perceive no viability for his candidacy.)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Obviously, no political observer &#8212; at least, one anxious to see their &#8220;side&#8221; win a presidential election &#8212; wants to see their party nominate a candidate who&#8217;s certain to lose. But is &#8220;electability&#8221; really the trait voters should consider during the primary process? And for that matter, are voters any good at figuring who&#8217;s electable and who isn&#8217;t?<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nTNR&#8217;s Jonathan Cohn recently <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tnr.com\/doc.mhtml?i=w070101&#038;s=cohn010207\">suggested<\/a> that judging presidential candidates based on how well they&#8217;re likely to compete in a general election may not be the best idea.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The reaction to Senator Barack Obama&#8217;s forays into Iowa and New Hampshire last month was nothing short of spectacular. &#8220;We originally scheduled the Rolling Stones,&#8221; New Hampshire Governor John Lynch quipped, &#8220;but we canceled them when we figured out that Senator Obama would sell more tickets.&#8221; Still, the better Obama performed, the more one question began to dog him: Was such a young candidate, particularly an African-American one, electable? &#8220;I think he&#8217;s a serious candidate, but I don&#8217;t think he has great potential [to win a national election],&#8221; one skeptical New Hampshire voter told The New York Times&#8217; Adam Nagourney. &#8220;No track record, and there are too many guys ahead of him in line.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Of course, electability questions are old hat to Obama&#8217;s presumptive rival, Senator Hillary Clinton. Since she first began hinting at a run for the presidency, experts and voters alike have been discussing whether she is capable of winning a national election&#8211;with mixed results, at best. &#8220;The test,&#8221; longtime Iowa Democratic pol Rob Tully explained recently, &#8220;will be whether she can beat the image problem&#8211; the perception out there [among Democrats] that she is not electable among the general electorate.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>You can understand why Democratic activists, funders, and voters are dwelling on such questions. They want to win the election &#8212; and, given everything that is at stake during a presidential election, there&#8217;s certainly nothing wrong with that. But will talking about electability actually lead the Democrats to nominate a candidate who is, in fact, electable? Recent experience suggests it may not.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That&#8217;s probably fair. In 2004, John Kerry was the most &#8220;electable,&#8221; and therefore won the nomination. Indeed, Ben Adler <a href=\"http:\/\/www.prospect.org\/weblog\/2007\/01\/post_2363.html#014971\">noted<\/a> recently, &#8220;Polls among Iowa and New Hampshire primary and caucus voters showed a majority of those who voted for the candidate they actually liked voted for Edwards, while a majority of voters who voted for who they thought would win in the general election voted for Kerry. Meanwhile, Independents and Republicans heavily supported Edwards. Clearly the Dems were making a mistake at the time. Why did they think that their guess as to what swing voters would prefer was more trustworthy than what those voters actually did prefer?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, it&#8217;s fair to say electability isn&#8217;t <i>entirely<\/i> irrelevant, right? Republican primary voters may be tempted to nominate a fire-breathing lunatic, but think better of it because they&#8217;re considering the general election. The far-left flank of the Democratic base may find a <i>very<\/i> progressive candidate the most appealing, but shy away because they appreciate how difficult it would be for him or her to win in November. (Might this suggest a two-tiered electability question? Among the &#8220;credible&#8221; candidates, voters are better off putting electability questions aside?)<\/p>\n<p>Or is all of this strategic thinking misplaced, ineffective, and reinforcing the notion that it&#8217;s more important to find the right candidate than the right president?<\/p>\n<p>Discuss.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The presidential fields, on both sides of the aisle, are slowly taking shape. Exploratory committees are in place; fundraising is underway; the race for staffers is fairly intense; and we&#8217;re already seeing early polls in Iowa and New Hampshire. 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