‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Debate’

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) wrote to Defense Secretary Robert Gates recently, asking him to reconsider the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy. The policy “makes absolutely no sense and undermines the fight against terrorism,” Wyden said in a statement. As ABC reported, Wyden’s office “noted that dozens of service members with critically needed skills like Arabic proficiency have been discharged for being gay and that enforcing the policy costs hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.”

This week, the Pentagon responded with an odd argument.

A public debate over allowing gays to serve in the military hurts the U.S. War on Terror, a top Pentagon official has asserted.

“The Global War on Terrorism is far-reaching and unrelenting,” wrote David S. C. Chu, Defense Undersecretary for Personnel and Readiness, in a recent letter. “A national debate on changing” the Pentagon’s ban on openly gay service members would bring “divisiveness and turbulence across our country,” which “will compound the burden of the war.”

Well, I was curious what they’d come up with in defense of the status quo, but is this really the best they’ve got?

A national debate would bring “divisiveness and turbulence across our country”? Here’s a thought: there’s already a national debate that’s bringing “divisiveness and turbulence across our country.” It’s about the war itself.

The Pentagon’s argument seems to be about unity over discord. That’s certainly a worthy goal, but in this case, the message is wholly unpersuasive: we should avoid controversial debates because they’re controversial. Everyone should just go along and get along. Maybe someday, after the undefined war on terror is over, we can consider some of these pesky questions.

What nonsense. Besides, if the Pentagon is serious about avoiding “divisiveness,” one presumes officials would want to go with the majority opinion. And what might that be? Americans in general are comfortable with gays in the military, as are military personnel.

Last December, Zogby Interactive polled servicemembers who had served in Iraq or Afghanistan on their views on homosexuality. Seventy-three percent of those polled were comfortable around gays and lesbians, 55 percent said the “presence of gays or lesbians in their unit is well known by others,” and 21 percent of those in combat units knew for sure that someone in their unit is gay. A 2004 poll found a majority of junior enlisted servicemembers believe gays and lesbians should be allowed to serve openly in the military, up from 16 percent in 1992. “There has been a seismic shift among the military and the public in favor of welcoming gay patriots in our armed forces,” said C. Dixon Osburn, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (SLDN).

For the first time, the student body of Uniformed Services University (USU) elected an openly gay student council president. Last summer, “a West Point graduate received a prestigious academic award for his thesis opposing ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,’ the ban on lesbian, gay and bisexual service members.” Anecdotal evidence also points to a changing attitude within the military ranks. “Last year I held a number of meetings with gay soldiers and marines,” Shalikashvili wrote in a recent New York Times op-ed. “These conversations showed me just how much the military has changed, and that gays and lesbians can be accepted by their peers.” Alva said of his experience, “I have tons and tons of friends that were in the military at the time who knew I was gay because I confided in them. Everybody had the same reaction: ‘What’s the big deal?'” “Being on the front lines and serving with the people who even actually knew that I was gay, you know, that was never a factor,” Alva said. “We were there to do a job.” Twenty-four countries allow open service by gays and lesbians, including nine nations that “have fought alongside American troops in Operation Iraqi Freedom.” A University of California, Berkeley study of these foreign militaries, “suggests that lifting bans on homosexual personnel does not threaten unit cohesion or undermine military effectiveness.”

“Divisiveness and turbulence across our country”? Please.

Here’s another problem that is ignored: soldiers are dismissed for being “fat” too. My son was in the 101st Airborne for 4 years before being put out for being “fat”. He ran 5 miles with his unit every morning and passed every PT test, yet was watched over while he ate, passed over for promotions, denied training opportunities, and at one point (until Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison became involved) denied leave for almost 18 months.

He later went into the Reserves (he was going to be called back to active duty because he was still considered individual ready reserve anyway). He faced the same prejudices, but was still “allowed” to deploy to Iraq.

Now my son loves the military. He WANTS to re-enlist, but cannot because he is considered incorrigible because of his not being able to meet the weight standards. We’re not talking about 300 pounds here, guys! He’s 5’11” and 210.

He’s a trained helicopter mechanic on both Chinooks and Blackhawks. He’s had Airborne training and combat experience.

  • Well, a number of officers in one branch will have a problem with this, the Air Force. Given the apparent takeover of the Air Force Academy by fundamentalists, you can bet that th A.F.’s knuckle-draggers will have to be dragged into the 21st century.
    Personally, I find it frightening that we have bombers in the air commanded by people who may be rooting for the coming of Armageddon.
    Stanley Kubrick had it right by basing Dr. Strangelove on Henry Kissenger, let’s hope that there are no Gen. Jack Rippers out there.

  • “The Global War on Terrorism is far-reaching and unrelenting,” wrote David S. C. Chu, Defense Undersecretary for Personnel and Readiness, in a recent letter.”

    First off, I’m tired of being told what the so-called GWOT is, except when someone has the courage and integrity to say it’s a ruse. Second, if the GWOT was as important as some would have us believe, I’d certainly want every asset involved, gay or otherwised. Chu’s statement makes him sound like a stupid man, and yet, I can’t believe he really is.

  • You know, I see their point… If we all would have clapped a little louder, the war would have been over by now.

  • If only your son were a convicted felon, instead. Then he’d have no problem at all.

    Seriously, it’s crazy that a guy can’t be husky or gay and serve, but criminals are welcomed with open arms.

  • A public debate over allowing gays to serve in the military hurts the U.S. War on Terror, a top Pentagon official has asserted. — CB

    I don’t understand what’s so surprising to you about that line of defense. “A public debate over — insert any subject here — hurts the US War on Terror” is the standard response of all the wrong-nuts on *any* subject, be it gays, deployment, government corruption… I’m only surprised he didn’t mention emboldening the enemy.

  • The military, will all its sophisticate weaponry, still measures body mass index using a tape measure and a ratio of waist to neck measurements. Never heard of BMI using more accurate means, like water immersion and displacement. It would only have to be done with soldiers who have “problems”. I think even one of those $79 scales that show body fat % would be more accurate. My son always had a thick waist. He always wore a size larger because of it, starting at age 2. If that isn’t a sign of heredity, I don’t know what is.

  • A “national debate on changing the Pentagon’s ban on openly gay service” would not have been necessary if William Jerfferson Clinton had kept his oft-repeated campaign promise to integrate the Armed Forces with Executive Order No. 1.

    When you’re looking for someone to hang DADT on, think Bill “blowjob” Clinton.

  • When I was in the Army in the 70’s we had several gays and lesbians and there was no problem. Even in Basic Training there were 2 lesbians and one potentially transgendered and they were allowed to continue and were promoted at the same rate as others.
    Even the officers were aware that some of the Doctors and Nurses were gay or lesbian. Nothing was said and nothing done. I can’t remember anyone even saying a word disrespectful about these soldiers. We were “Live and Let Live”

  • “The Global War on Terrorism bullshit that comes out of this Administration is far-reaching and unrelenting…”

    Fixed.

    “A national debate on changing” the Pentagon’s ban on openly gay service members would bring “divisiveness and turbulence across our country,” which “will compound the burden of the war.”

    Not to mention dogs and cats, living together.

    Seriously, do these jackasses stop to think about the impact statements like this might have on TWAT (the war against terror)? The majority of coalition members allow gays & lesbians to serve. And then there’s the U.S. The arseholes who lied them into a clusterfuck in Iraq and bailed on Afghanistan. And what is the U.S. doing? Dragging its knuckles across the floor and saying a discussion of the topic will cause “divisiveness & turbulence” across the country.

    Yes, Britain, Australia, Italy, Portugal, etc, etc, the United States of America is so filled with pussies that it can’t even talk about gays and lesbians in the military without an attack of the vapors. Doesn’t that fill you with confidence that they’ll be able to fight and win a damn war?

    Hey. Wait. Where are you going?

    Don’t ask why no one can stand US. Don’t tell me the world respects US.

  • Well, a number of officers in one branch will have a problem with this, the Air Force. Given the apparent takeover of the Air Force Academy by fundamentalists, you can bet that th A.F.’s knuckle-draggers will have to be dragged into the 21st century.
    Personally, I find it frightening that we have bombers in the air commanded by people who may be rooting for the coming of Armageddon.
    Stanley Kubrick had it right by basing Dr. Strangelove on Henry Kissenger, let’s hope that there are no Gen. Jack Rippers out there.

    The Hair Farce has been “a mighty fortress” for fundamentalism for a very long time – 35 years that I know of directly, where fundamentalist officers get promotions way past their “Peter principle” level. It’s amazing to me that the branch of service most dependent on scientific knowledge is the one run by people who think airplanes fly because angels hold up the wings.

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