Popular pardon policy? Probably not

Last night, during a report on Scooter Libby’s predicament, Andrea Mitchell told MSNBC’s audience that White House officials are “going to try to really tamp this down and appeal to the polling which indicates that most people think, in fact, that he should be pardoned. Scooter Libby should be pardoned.” I’m not quite sure where Mitchell is getting this impression — unless she’s polled the GOP establishment in Washington — because the public seems to have an entirely different idea.

Nearly 70 percent of Americans oppose a presidential pardon for former White House aide Lewis “Scooter” Libby after his conviction on perjury and other charges related to a CIA agent’s exposure, according to a CNN poll out Monday.

Just 18 percent said they would support a pardon for Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, while 69 percent said they opposed the idea. Meanwhile, a narrow majority said they believe Cheney was part of a cover-up in the case. […]

And asked whether the vice president was “part of a cover-up” to keep special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald from learning who leaked the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson, whose husband had become a critic of the war in Iraq, 52 percent said yes; 29 percent said no.

Now, as far as I can tell, conservatives don’t find the poll persuasive and still want Bush to pardon Libby. (One high-profile conservative blogger argued, seriously, that CNN’s poll is unreliable because it was conducted over the weekend. “[P]olling on the weekend always means a left slanted poll,” the blogger said. “Republicans are never home on the weekends as they know how to enjoy life.”)

Nevertheless, following up on a post from last week, I’m still inclined to believe that they should get what they want.

Michael Kinsley adds to the case that a Libby pardon would have considerable upsides for White House critics.

[S]tart piling up all the lies told by this Administration in advancing its war in Iraq. Rank them in importance. Where would you put Scooter Libby’s unconvincing faulty memory about who told what to whom about Valerie Plame Wilson? Not very high, I think. If President Bush has a shred of humanity in him — if he has suffered even a tiny moment of doubt about this huge and tragic mess he has gotten our country into — how can he let the clock tick him out of office without pardoning a very small player in this tragedy, but the one who happened to get caught?

As for Democrats and liberals, I feel as vindictive as any other. But ask yourself: if, a couple of years from now, Dick Cheney is going around giving $75,000 speeches and George W Bush is accepting honorary degrees and planning his presidential library, will you feel better or worse that some guy named Scooter Libby is languishing behind bars?

I would argue that Libby’s crimes are probably a bit more serious than Kinsley suggests, but his point is well taken. For White House critics, the ultimate goal need not be seeing Libby in a federal penitentiary. If the president bucked public opinion, caved to pressure from far-right activists, and granted Libby a pardon, Bush opponents would get:

* a renewed emphasis on the White House’s (and the president’s) role in the scandal;

* an opportunity to exploit the pardon to make Bush look even worse;

* and an end to the White House defense that officials can’t comment on an ongoing legal matter.

Bring it on.

(One high-profile conservative blogger argued, seriously, that CNN’s poll is unreliable because it was conducted over the weekend. “[P]olling on the weekend always means a left slanted poll,” the blogger said. “Republicans are never home on the weekends as they know how to enjoy life.”)

Amazing!

By that same argument, one could say that weekend polling would make for a RIGHT-wing bias because so many democrats are out working second or third jobs to pay for health care, college, rent, etc.

  • Andrea needs to learn that waht she hears over cocktail weenies does not represent the opinon of the majority of Americans – and NBC needs to have someone fact-checking her if she isn’t going to tell the viewers that she bases her stories on what she heard last night at someone’s dinner party. Not only did she learn nothing from being caught out making wild-ass statements in the Plame matter, but NBC obviously hasn’t learned anything from it, either.

    I’m really just over these media types who think they are in the story, not just there to report on it.

  • Libby’s crime was huge. And the crimes he committed but didn’t get caught for are huge. Just because Bush and Rove commited bigger ones doesn’t excuse Libby. Better men than him go to jail every day.

  • my question is: will andrea mitchell’s factually incorrect statement ever be corrected?

    and dick cheney will make $75K a speech no matter what; let libby stew.

  • Putting Libby behind bars sends the message that no matter who you “think” you owe allegiance to there are consequences for lying to a grand jury. It’s Libby’s choice to go on protecting these guys and it seems to be more important to him than his freedom. They probably told Libby to go ahead and lie saying, “Don’t worry, the President will pardon you.” It’s letting all other department “staff” know that no matter what they tell you, lie, cover up, etc. and you will go to jail. Tough break for Libby, but he’s not a ‘victim ‘ here, he chose this path and his bosses let him go down. Everyone else will slide and get paid $75,000 speaker fees etc., poor, poor Libby…is bullcrap. He’s not a victim. He’s a criminal who, along with others, has caused a great deal of harm by lying and blocking an investigation. He could have said, “yes, I knew it was wrong to leak Valeries name but the VP pressured me to do it and he’s my boss…etc.” Poor Libby my ass. High position of power, big penalty for abusing it.

  • * and an end to the White House defense that officials can’t comment on an ongoing legal matter.

    I thought I was used to the Blinky the Very Nice Dog comments here, but every now and then my breath is taken away anew. What on earth makes you think that they won’t continue to use this same defense?

    It’s not like they actually care about that as a principle — they comment on other ongoing legal matters when they find it convenient. It’s about as meaningful as saying “we can’t comment because of the scary green hippo.” Pardon or no pardon, they’ll still find the hippo useful and they’ll still invoke him.

  • It disgusts me how Libby’s portrayed as some lowly page boy, complete with the diminutive name, “Scooter”. You don’t get to be Darth Vader’s right hand man by being Jar Jar.

  • Hmm. We should support a pardon for Scooter so we can point at the pardoner with a big show of righteous anger? No thanks; sounds a little too much like Bill O’Reilly to me. Scooter may not be Charles Manson, but then neither was Martha Stewart. He’ll live.

  • “Republicans are never home on the weekends as they know how to enjoy life.”

    Yeah, out 4-wheeling through endangered environments and tearing them up, or going out for canned hunts of domesticated animals, or riding around town in a drunken gang harassing gays and pretending to be the brownshirts they really want to be, cruising “the stroll” for the only sex they can get, just pretty much any sort of anti-social activity you can imagine that cowards can do in a group, since they travel in packs because they haven’t got the guts to act on their fantasies on their own.

    Just doing whatever it is illiterate worthless scum do.

  • No way I would recommend pardoning that creep. He blocked the investigation of the biggest crime in recent history, the Iraq War.

    Sending him to jail NOW would send a message to all the other lowlifes in their camp, if we catch your ass, you better sing.

    Now let’s see Rove on the stand.

  • Libby obstructed justice and there is no upside to a pardon. Dick Cheney is the one who belongs in jail and the reason he is not facing the music is that Libby lied for him. Anyone who believes that a Libby pardon would be good for anyone but Libby has their head up their b**t. If Bush pardons Libby it is just one more sleazy thing Bush gets away with. As far as Ms. Mitchel goes: Dear God she is stupid, and I wonder when she retires? She should spend some quality time with her banker husband before he croaks.

  • “Republicans are never home on the weekends as they know how to enjoy life.”

    Republicans do not know how to enjoy life. They always enjoy a good Klan rally, of course. Or Commander Codpiece strutting his stuff before uniformed stooges who can’t talk back. And an unfunny Ann Coulter aka Arthur Coltrane calling John Edwards a faggot. And some bilge from the bowels of Fat Druggie Limbaugh, yes. But life? real life? as in “life affirming”? Never.

  • couple of years from now, Dick Cheney is going around giving $75,000 speeches and George W Bush is accepting honorary degrees and planning his presidential library

    That’s quite an assumption there. A couple of years from now Cheney and Bush might be doing time right alongside Libby and the rest of the gang.

  • Hmmm…now if I recall things correctly, there was this really nasty character who got himself thrown into prison a couple of millenia ago. Odd thing, though; he managed to get himself pardoned from being executed for his crimes by the ruling political establishment of the time—a bunch of crazed-for-power guys I commonly refer to as the “God’s Offal Pharisees.” In his place, these “GOP” nitwits had some carpenter from a neighboring region executed in his place. They guy they killed? Some just call him the Carpenter; others, the Christ.

    But the basis of the story is that the “GOP” whacked “C” in exchange for setting a bad guy free.

    Today? Well, we’ve got pretty much the same darned thing. A powerful political establishment—the “GOP”—wants to set a convicted criminal free—and in exchange, they’ll butcher “C” in his place. The only difference here, folks, is that the “C” in today’s retelling of the story is the Constitution….

  • I have no problem with an apparatchick of the Bush administration that brought us Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, torture, extraordinary rendition and loss of civil rights to suffer the loss to some of his own rights and rot away for some minimal time in prison. Libby, as Cheney’s right hand man, is as complicit in creating this national disaster as anyone. I hope he lives in fear very second his in the pen. He looked the other way at the illegal suffering of others for too long for me to feel sorry for him.

  • A little understanding of Andrea please.
    She wants soft treatment for an employee loyaling following the Boss to lie, slander and mislead America.
    Obviously, she sees a mirror image of herself in Libby.
    Obviously, she wants to set a precedent that she made need in the near future.
    After all, facts are so over rated, boring and hard work.
    And being a loyal employee is so much more important than being a lawful American.

  • why does this f***ing thing eat messages i try to post from my pc at work and not from my mac at home?

  • as i tried to say earlier…

    Q: “…if, a couple of years from now, Dick Cheney is going around giving $75,000 speeches and George W Bush is accepting honorary degrees and planning his presidential library, will you feel better or worse that some guy named Scooter Libby is languishing behind bars?”
    A: better! definitely better.

  • As for Democrats and liberals, I feel as vindictive as any other. But ask yourself: if, a couple of years from now, Dick Cheney is going around giving $75,000 speeches and George W Bush is accepting honorary degrees and planning his presidential library, will you feel better or worse that some guy named Scooter Libby is languishing behind bars?

    You bet your life I will feel better. He’s not Cheney; he’s not Bush. He’s not even Rover. But, he’s better than nothing. He’s the tip of the ice berg that did the damage. If he can’t do the time then he should not have done the crime. And I believe he did a crime.

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