‘I intend to get the testimony’

I think it’s fair to say that Sen. Pat Leahy (D-Vt.), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is livid over the prosecutor purge scandal.

Democrats are now demanding additional documents, as well as testimony under oath from three top current and former White House officials: Mr. Rove; Harriet E. Miers, the former White House counsel; and William Kelley, the deputy counsel.

The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, said he would subpoena them if they refused to appear.

“I intend to get the testimony,” Mr. Leahy said in an interview. “If they don’t want to come voluntarily, then I will subpoena them. If the White House wants still to refuse, you have to ask yourself, Why stonewall? If they’ve got nothing to hide, why not testify?”

On CNN, yesterday afternoon, Leahy was equally direct. On whether Rove might testify, Leahy said, “He can appear voluntarily if he wants. If he doesn’t, I will subpoena him.”

Leahy added, “The attorney general said, ‘Well, there are some staff people or lower level people — I am not sure whether I want to allow them to testify or not.’ I said, ‘Frankly, Mr. attorney general, it’s not your decision, it’s mine and the committee’s.’ We will have some subpoenas.”

Have I mentioned lately the benefits of being in the majority?

On a related note, there’s a new conservative talking point that’s making the rounds — because U.S. Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president, there was nothing legally impermissible about the purge. As a result, even if Justice Department officials (including the Attorney General) misled Congress, it’s relatively meaningless because there’s “no underlying crime.” If this defense sounds familiar, it’s because Bush’s allies just finished using it to defend Scooter Libby’s perjury and obstruction of justice.

Leahy addressed this point yesterday as well. (TP has video)

BLITZER: But is there anything illegal in putting one of Karl Rove’s associates in and making him the U.S. attorney in Arkansas?

LEAHY: There’s nothing illegal in a president firing, by itself, firing a U.S. attorney. What it does say, however, to law enforcement, you either play by our political rules — by our political rules, not by law enforcement rules, but by our political rules — or you’re out of a job.

What I am saying is that that hurts law enforcement, that hurts fighting against crime. And if it is done to stop an ongoing investigation — and this is something we don’t know — if it is done to stop an ongoing investigation, then you do get into the criminal area.

Blitzer asked Leahy specifically whether he believes administration officials committed perjury. Leahy responded, “Well, we’ll find that out. That’s not always the easiest thing to prove. But we can certainly prove that we have not gotten complete answers. It’s a lot more. I think the American public deserves to have answers on this, instead of every day a little bit more dribbling out. Let’s get all of the facts. But let’s have it under oath. It’s interesting, sometimes, when people are sworn in. It focuses their attention a little bit more.”

It does, indeed. The Judiciary Committee will vote today, on whether to authorize subpoenas to 14 current and former administration officials, including Rove, Miers, and Sampson.

Stay tuned.

Bush’s Watergate begins. My prediction is that Shrub will screw everyone who is close to him over in order to save his own hide.

  • It is curious that some of the ousted prosecutors, notably Carol Lam, have been so quiet. The “deal” was that the government wouldn’t say bad things about these prosecutors if they stepped aside quietly. So where are they getting their dirt? Maybe this is related to the Homeland Security warrantless wiretapping and internet sleuthing just brought to light? Just curious.

  • Actions like these also undermine the faith in our entire judicial system and system of laws. The underlying principle of our constitutional government is that we are a nation of laws, and that those laws shall be fairly administered. Actions like these erode faith in that system, which can lead to mass repudiation of our laws.

    To the GOP, this may be a good thing, although I find it hard to reconcile that these are pretty much the same folks who will claim to stick to the letter of the christian bible, not question it, and who need so much structure in their lives in order to survive.

    Impeach! According to the WaPo: “As Eggen correctly notes, prosecutions for lying to Congress are uncommon. And the standards of proof might well be too great to sustain one.”

  • Apparently, too few people in this country, or even in the media, consider something to be a scandal until it has a nickname, and, sadly, the nickname has to end in “-gate”. So, this mess needs a name. Any suggestions?

    (At the moment, I’m thinking about MassiveRepublicanCorruptionGate – it’s cumbersome and not at all clever, but it might finally get the point across to the general public.)

  • What’s the story with the Specter staff member who put the language into the Patrior Act giving the Bushies free reign in their appointments? Seems like he should be called to testify, too. I can see that some idea of senatorial courtesy would protect him, but there’s no doubt he embarassed his boss in a very public way.

  • Leahy added, “The attorney general said, ‘Well, there are some staff people or lower level people — I am not sure whether I want to allow them to testify or not.’ I said, ‘Frankly, Mr. attorney general, it’s not your decision, it’s mine and the committee’s.’ We will have some subpoenas.”

    yes!!!!! i just love it! go pat!

  • Silly question, Mr. Blitzer. “Was it illegal?” is a pretty low standard for our leadership. There are a lot of things we think are bad that we don’t make illegal, and we should expect more from the people given the power of government. “Is it good for the country?” is a better question. Otherwise, the best we can say about our government is, “Well, they aren’t, technically, criminals.”

    For an administration so concerned about the “message” that we send to terrorists when we debate in Congress, they seemed blissfully unconcerned about the message sent to US Attorneys when, after successfully prosecuting the biggest political corruption case in years, one of them gets fired, or when one with excellent reviews is replaced by a less-qualified individual close to the President’s famously partisan political adviser. Is it illegal? Does that matter?

    I hope Mr. Leahy will get us some testimony from the former Specter staffer who put the language into the Patriot Act. He’s now US Attorney in Utah, which seems, well, awfully curious to me. Perhaps we can get some from the Justice Department author of that language, too. We’re nowhere near the bottom of this yet, I feel.

    Expect Gonzales’ resignation as an attempt to keep even more from coming out. Remember, it’s not just about him, and canning him won’t fix it.

  • J. Scott Jennings, Rove’s WH aide, corresponded with the DOJ using gwb43.com and not the official WH email domain. who.eop.gov.

    Copies of correspondence were sent to Rove at kr.georgewbush.com.

    Jack Abramoff’s emails are posted at Henry Waxman’s Oversight Committee website. Susan Ralston, Rove’s former assisitant, used georgewbuxh.com and rnchg.org.

    georgewbush.com, gwb43.com and rnchq.org are all part of the GOP network. The list of other name and mail domains sharing the server can be found at Robtex.com.

    Apparently, the entire GOP network is hosted by a very small Chattanooga company. SmarTech Corp.

    I think Leahy should subpoena correspondence about the USAs that went through these domains.

  • biggerbox–
    I decided to do a little more research after reading your post. According to Karen Tumulty (who’s quoting Specter) it’s the DOJ official who’s now the US Attorney in Utah. He gave the Specter staffer some story to get the language included. I still don’t know why the staffer isn’t being called, and why he isn’t a former staffer by now. Can’t wait for the hearings.

    http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/03/re_the_next_big_problem_at_the.html?xid=rss-swampland

  • I don’t expect Abu Gonzo to resign over this. The Bush Sadministration has no shame and it takes shame, or some acceptance of blame, to cause a resignation. Rather, they think they are entitled to do anything they want while in power; they are truly ruthless as well as shameless. I don’t think the Dems have the staying power or relentlessness needed to take on these characters who need to, literally, be driven from office. And, preferably, driven directly to jail.

  • (At the moment, I’m thinking about MassiveRepublicanCorruptionGate – it’s cumbersome and not at all clever, but it might finally get the point across to the general public.)

    Good one, but this is easier: AttorneyGate.

    Apparently, the entire GOP network is hosted by a very small Chattanooga company. SmarTech Corp.

    Where’s a good hacker when we need one?

  • I knew we were in trouble when Gonzo was saying Habeas Corpus was optional. But seriously, just when you think these guys can’t screw up any worse, they do just that. We ALL need to open our minds to the possibilities, this administration is capable of ANYTHING.

  • …it’s relatively meaningless because there’s “no underlying crime.”

    This quote and the next post by Mr. Carpetbagger has me wondering, what again was the underlying crime related to the purjury charge that formed the basis for Clinton’s impeachment?

    oh, right…

  • N.Wells, Tom Cleaver, libra —

    I like gagagate.

    AG AG goes gaga, and isn’t he just.

  • Goldilocks, 19

    I like gagagate too but I don’t want it to end with Agag (is that the third dog, the one looking straight on?). I want the entire wheel to be smmashged, not just one spoke of it. Agag wasn’t the only one responsible for the mess.

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