End game

We haven’t quite reached the impasse, but as Roll Call reports today (sub. only) it’s clearly coming right around the bend.

The Senate Judiciary Committee’s effort to land presidential adviser Karl Rove as a witness runs headlong into the Bush White House’s well-established reluctance to subject high-level staffers or internal documents to Congressional scrutiny.

But intense political pressure surrounding the U.S. attorneys scandal — in which Rove has become a prominent player — could overwhelm the administration’s opposition.

Bruce Fein, a former associate deputy attorney general under Reagan, said the legal terrain is unclear. “The general rule has been as a matter of custom, the Congress will desist from asserting the subpoena power to compel the president and his aides” to testify, Fein explained. “It leaves the legal terrain very murky.” He added, “Certainly, there is no outstanding Supreme Court or other court of appeals precedent that says Congress cannot compel Karl Rove to testify.”

Chances are, White House attorneys and Senate Dems will try to work on some kind of arrangement, in which Rove (and Miers and others) would answer the Judiciary Committee’s questions in a closed meeting. Committee Chairman Pat Leahy (D-Vt.), however, doesn’t seem keen on the idea, and may prefer subpoenas. It would likely leave the White House with three choices:

1) Honor the subpoena and testify under oath;

2) Ignore the subpoena and see what happens;

3) Challenge the whole effort in court.

No one, including White House officials, seems to know which course the Bush gang would take.

Option #1 seems the least likely. Bush, Cheney, Rove, & Co. have never been fond of cooperation. Given that Rove might be put in some unpleasant positions, and might be compelled to take the 5th, honoring subpoenas seems unlikely.

Option #2 is fraught with complications. As Fein told Roll Call, U.S. attorneys are supposed to enforce subpoenas. A subpoena from the Senate Judiciary Committee is not legally different from a court subpoena — ignoring it has legal consequences.

Option #3 seems more likely, and as Ezra argues, is the obvious pick for this White House.

Democrats are determined to get Gonzales and Rove under oath and before committee; Bush is determined — or so it seems — not to put him there.

What’s not clear to me, though, is what Congress can actually do. The Bush administration has nothing to lose by throwing this to the Courts. They’re already wildly unpopular, so another public image hit will hardly be noticeable. Their agenda is totally stalled, so it’s not as if they’ll lose momentum. The White House isn’t putting forth a successor, so they’re not trying to protect anyone’s political career. In the end, the administration is in such total disrepute that there’s scarcely anything more that Congress can take from them. What sort of leverage does the Senate actually have?

One should generally be cautious about throwing such words around, but impeachment is probably an option. White House officials may have engaged in criminal conduct, there’s evidence Justice Department officials lied under oath, and legitimate questions have been raised about obstruction of justice. The Senate wants answers. If they subpoena White House officials, and the president refuses to cooperate, it’s hardly inconceivable that lawmakers would at least consider the only option available at that point, which would be impeachment.

One argument not available to the Bush gang is precedent. Republican congressional investigations in the 1990s prompted senior Clinton White House officials to answer all kinds of questions, under oath, in public hearings. Everyone from Clinton’s Deputy Chief of Staff, to staff secretary, to White House counsel all agreed to provide testimony. They, of course, had nothing to hide and had done nothing wrong.

For more, Mark Kleiman explores the possibility of the White House claiming “executive privilege” to fight a subpoena (and possible impeachment).

Just as an aside, am I the only one who suspected that a constitutional crisis was inevitable with these guys running the White House?

I guess it won’t be to go the Contempt of Congress route since that goes though the US Attorney / Justice Department.

  • Just as an aside, am I the only one who suspected that a constitutional crisis was inevitable with these guys running the White House?

    These guys ARE a constitutional crises.

  • They’ve been doing #2 for a LONG time now (ask Waxman about Rice), and since Everything Clinton Did Was Wrong, they will decide to go with #3.

    But maybe there’s a door #4…

    Maybe they’ll offer to let Rove testify under the same conditions Bush testified under during the 9/11 investigation: Severe time limits, no note-taking, no recordings, no oath, “special friends” allowed, only certain questioners allowed.

    Yes, the constitutional crisis was inevitable, and the puzzling part is how long it took.

  • I am sure Bush will do what he has always done in such a crisis, when the chips are down and we need a strong leader to stand up for honor and dignity, ….

    He will run and hide behind his Mommy’s skirt.

  • “No one, including White House officials, seems to know which course the Bush gang would take.”

    I’ve always been curious about this. Aren’t White House officials part of the Bush gang? And if they’re not, what exactly is their role besides being gophers and press conference window dressing?

    You’d think they’d have more pride than that, but apparently not.

    P.S.

    Impeachment is not a four letter word. It should be spoken loudly and often on Captal Hill so Little Boy George hears the footsteps loud and clear.

  • I’ve read that a possibility would be to impeach Rove himself. Not sure how possible that would be.

  • As for the Clinton folks, the Bush folks will merely say that Clinton was a p*ssy and should have stood up for his administration’s constitutional rights, and just because Clinton caved doesn’t mean that Bush is legally required to.

    I think impeachment is entirely appropriate–especially if it means Congress has even more authority to call people to testify.

    But I would be interested in Option 3 actually being decided by the Supremes. It would establish precedent. It may not be the precedent we want, but before they rule they really need to remember that GOPers will not always hold the White House.

  • Given the Bushistas’ vision of a system with unchecked Presidential power, and even an Office of the Vice-President that appears to have all the power, but none of the responsibilities of two branches, it really is remarkable that the constitutional crisis has been avoided so long.

    I expect that they’ll stonewall until they can’t, then take it to court, unless and until Congress says “enough of this crap” and impeaches. Which makes me wonder, could Rove be compelled to testify at an impeachment trial?

  • “Yes, the constitutional crisis was inevitable, and the puzzling part is how long it took. ”

    It took until after November 7, 2006. The puzzling part is why the voters didn’t avert this crisis in 2004.

  • Yeah, I know, maybe they really did. But I’ve never been a big believer in the 2004 election being “stolen” argument (although I don’t rule it out).

    2000 – yes, no doubt in my mind.

  • If these weasels (the Bush Crime Family) can’t be iimpeached then nobody can. The Constitution should be amended to throw out all the stuff about impeachment and simply declare all White House toadies to be above the law.

  • I think the White House has to do a deal.

    With Carol Lam’s case alone, there is already enough evidence to ask the DoJ to investigate potential obstruction of justice. Gonzo and his goons will have to recuse themselves, and there is no one in the Department who will stand in the way of such an important investigation going ahead.

    The only think that will prevent a deal getting struck is if Leahy and co lose their nerve. The threat of a full-scale federal investigation, grand juries and another Fitzing of these scumbags may be enough to have them testify before the Senate.

    So hopefully Leahy can stand firm. Make Rove chose between a grilling under oath in the Senate or another grilling under caution by the Feds and under oath before a grand jury. Let him chose his poison.

  • One meme I would like to see DIE is the one about how “the American people are not in favor of impeachment” because of the witch hunt which was launched against Clinton.

    The same crooks who are now under investigation were the ones who ran the Clinton Impeachment Circus. So the question in my mind is: Do we intend to avoid using every tool these criminals ever abused? Does that make ANY sense?

    Impeachment used to have a legitimate purpose, and like Ed says, if these guys haven’t reached the threshold, then probably no one ever will again, and if that’s the case then impeachment should be scrapped entirely as a concept, so we can usher in the age of imperial presidency.

  • Racerx–agreed. And I do think the meme on the american public’s taste for impeachment is dead wrong. And to the contrary, I think they may actually look forward to it, to try and correct their severe “buyers’ remorse” of the past 2+ years.

  • How about ‘The American people are not in favor of a retributional impeachment, but are quite willing to see it used on true crooks.’

  • If memory serves, I think the Constitutional crisis began when the Supreme Court elected Bush. It just hasn’t ever let up.

  • Agreed, beep52.

    I’m sure William Kristol’s response to calls for impeachment would be: “Look, we had one for the last president. Do we need another? Why don’t you people shut up for six or nine months?”

  • Hmm. I’d say #2, with a bunch of arm-twisting and threats to the few remaining Republican rubber-stampers to throw as many wrenches into the Legislative machinery as possible, a major full-court press by the Mighty Wurlitzer while hoping something, anything else happens to avert the national gaze, even for a moment, and then #3 when it looks like the trip is truly over.

    #3 can then be dragged out for a number of months, and with the election clock ticking, the war still warring, the knuckles still dragging, all of the sudden it’s August of 2008 and no one is paying attention any more anyway.

    The flip-side is if the national media actually dug into the thing like they did the Starr Report, starting with Carol Lam, “Duke” Cunnigham, Jerry Lewis and “Dusty” Foggo (why do the fascists get all the “quoted” names?) Then its simply fast-forward through #2, #3 and the Democratic Congress is left with this stinking pile of burning dogshit on its front porch. There are no winners here, only losers, criminals and victims.

    -GFI

  • What sort of leverage does the Senate actually have?

    Tack the mandate for Rove et al to testify onto every blasted piece of legislation that comes before the Senate. Tie it to bill after bill after bill. Ram half-a-dozen such bills—preferably all miltary appropriations packages, and funding for programs that further lines the pockets of Bu$hCo’s friends—down the ReThugs’ collective political throats simultaneously, and let them try to physically maintain half-a-dozen filibusters—simultaneously. Double this up with Harry refusing to adjourn until everything gets a full up-or-down vote, loading it with large quantities of requestsfor intervention against “obstructionism” (which would require long-hours attendance by Cheney and his “allegedly questionable” health to countermand any attempt, by Dems, to play the Nuclear Option Gambit).

    Drag the whole damned Senate GOP back into the trenches they dug for themselves—and then bury them in those same trenches—the “well-dug graves of their own design….”

  • Does anybody know whether the GOP would be able to filibuster either a subpoena or a Contempt of Congress vote? Do they require a simple majority, or the full 60 votes?

  • Just as an aside, am I the only one who suspected that a constitutional crisis was inevitable with these guys running the White House?

    I think from the moment they were caught outright breaking the law (I think that was when we found out they leaked Plame’s name) we knew it was inevitable. Unless Congress backs down. With the clock running out on when they can be impeached as sitting public officials, that’s still a strong and unfortunate possibility. How long will it take for Congress to get the courage to do what it takes to save the country from Bush?

  • The mushy ground here is the Attorney General’s lap into which a Congressional contempt citation would inevitably fall.

  • Nice point, CB, about Clinton’s aides going in and testifying under oath regarding whatever the Republicans happened to be in a tizzy about that week. If Cheney’s – oops, Bush’s – underlings don’t have anything to hide, why should they resist testifying?

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  • Thanks Yeah, I know, maybe they really did. But I’ve never been a big believer in the 2004 election being “stolen” argument (although I don’t rule it out).

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