‘We Haven’t Really Gotten Answers’

Watching yesterday’s Senate Judiciary Committee hearing with [tag]Attorney General[/tag] (for now) [tag]Alberto Gonzales[/tag], the one thing I kept thinking of was the flurry of news reports from the last couple of weeks about Gonzales’ extraordinary preparation efforts. The WaPo literally ran a front-page item recently about the AG having “retreated from public view,” in order to spend “hours practicing” for this hearing, with days of “rigorous mock testimony sessions.”

In other words, after all that work, we saw Gonzales at his very best yesterday. He had all the information he needed, he’d seen every document available, and he had all the time he needed to get his facts straight. And yet, the AG still came across as a dishonest dissembler who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. As Slate’s Dahlia Lithwick put it, “You can’t help but wonder what condition he was in last month before he started preparing full time.”

The New York Times editorial page captured the broader problem quite nicely.

If Attorney General Alberto Gonzales had gone to the Senate yesterday to convince the world that he ought to be fired, it’s hard to imagine how he could have done a better job, short of simply admitting the obvious: that the firing of eight United States attorneys was a partisan purge.

Mr. Gonzales came across as a dull-witted apparatchik incapable of running one of the most important departments in the executive branch.

He had no trouble remembering complaints from his bosses and Republican lawmakers about federal prosecutors who were not playing ball with the Republican Party’s efforts to drum up election fraud charges against Democratic politicians and Democratic voters. But he had no idea whether any of the 93 United States attorneys working for him — let alone the ones he fired — were doing a good job prosecuting real crimes.

He delegated responsibility for purging their ranks to an inexperienced and incompetent assistant who, if that’s possible, was even more of a plodding apparatchik. Mr. Gonzales failed to create the most rudimentary standards for judging the prosecutors’ work, except for political fealty. And when it came time to explain his inept decision making to the public, he gave a false account that was instantly and repeatedly contradicted by sworn testimony.

Yes, it was that bad.

There are various counts available for how many times Gonzales said “I don’t recall,” or “I don’t remember” — he repeated both dozens of times — but in some ways, that’s secondary to a more basic problem. Gonzales doesn’t know and can’t explain why the U.S. Attorneys were fired. In some instances, he couldn’t even come up with pathetic excuses; he just had nothing. His eager young aides gave him a list of U.S. Attorneys, and they were gone.

Yesterday was supposed to be about setting the record straight. Gonzales was ostensibly making an appearance to answer questions and shed light on the process that led to this unprecedented purge of federal prosecutors. But it was all for naught. Gonzales is either completely clueless or he intentionally made himself look that way. As Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) told the committee, “We haven’t really gotten answers.”

Again from the NYT:

Some of his answers were merely laughable. Mr. Gonzales said one prosecutor deserved to be fired because he wrote a letter that annoyed the deputy attorney general. Another prosecutor had the gall to ask Mr. Gonzales to reconsider a decision to seek the death penalty. (Mr. Gonzales, of course, is famous for never reconsidering a death penalty case, no matter how powerful the arguments are.)

Mr. Gonzales criticized other fired prosecutors for “poor management,” for losing the confidence of career prosecutors and for “not having total control of the office.” With those criticisms, Mr. Gonzales was really describing his own record: he has been a poor manager who has had no control over his department and has lost the confidence of his professional staff and all Americans.

Mr. Gonzales was even unable to say who compiled the list of federal attorneys slated for firing. The man he appointed to conduct the purge, Kyle Sampson, said he had not created the list. The former head of the office that supervises the federal prosecutors, Michael Battle, said he didn’t do it, as did William Mercer, the acting associate attorney general.

Mr. Gonzales said he did not know why the eight had been on the list when it was given to him, that it had not been accompanied by any written analysis and that he had just assumed it reflected a consensus of the senior leaders of his department. At one point, Mr. Gonzales even claimed that he could not remember how the Justice Department had come to submit an amendment to the Patriot Act that allowed him to fire United States attorneys and replace them without Senate confirmation. The Senate voted to revoke that power after the current scandal broke.

At the end of the day, we were left wondering why the nation’s chief law-enforcement officer would paint himself as a bumbling fool. Perhaps it’s because the alternative is that he is not telling the truth. There is strong evidence that this purge was directed from the White House, and that Karl Rove, Mr. Bush’s top political adviser, and Harriet Miers, the former White House counsel, were deeply involved.

Yesterday, Mr. Gonzales admitted that he had not been surprised by five of the names on the list because he had heard complaints about them — from Republican senators and Mr. Rove.

In another telling moment, Mr. Gonzales was asked when he had lost confidence in David Iglesias, who was fired as federal prosecutor in New Mexico. His answer was an inadvertent slip of truth.

“Mr. Iglesias lost the confidence of Senator Domenici, as I recall, in the fall of 2005,” Mr. Gonzales said. It was Senator Pete Domenici of New Mexico, of course, who made a wildly inappropriate phone call to Mr. Iglesias in 2006, not 2005, to ask whether charges would be filed before the election in a corruption inquiry focused on Democrats. When Mr. Iglesias said he did not think so, Mr. Domenici hung up and complained to the White House. Shortly after, Mr. Iglesias’s name was added to the firing list.

We don’t yet know whether Mr. Gonzales is merely so incompetent that he should be fired immediately, or whether he is covering something up.

Either way, two things are abundantly clear: Gonzales needs to resign as quickly as humanly possible and White House officials (Rove and Miers, in particular) need to testify to explain a process that obviously unfolded above Gonzales’ head.

Yesterday was billed as a make-or-break day for the Attorney General, which would make demonstrate once and for all whether Gonzales was capable of leading the Justice Department. In that sense, the hearing didn’t disappoint.

Re: Specter, why has no one to this point in time really pushed to obtain more information about Specter’s role in this. It is nice to see that he is pretty much telling Gonzales that if Specter were Gonzales, Specter would resign. But if it weren’t for Specter’s then chief of staff subversively sticking the anti-Senate confirmation language into the Patriot Act legislation, it is likely none of this would have occurred. Specter has yet to fully explain his role in all this and it is somewhat hypocritical of Specter to demand a full accounting from Gonzales when he himself has not provided a full accounting. I was hoping that Leahy might raise this point when he and Specter were being interviewed for the Lehrer news show, after Specter started to bluntly contradict Leahy on some point. And my guess is Leahy does not want to raise the issue right now while Specter is a lukewarm ally. No real point here, but to follow Coburn’s argument, Specter should at least hold himself to the standard to which he holds Gonzales. Maybe Specter should resign if he does not come clean.

  • I for one didn’t think he did that bad. He was lying for sure, but did a decent job of it.

    Anyone who has ever participated in a deposition and has seen a first class weasel at work knows it’s no easy feat to hide the facts under a layer of BS without getting caught red handed.

    I’m mean he’s nowhere near as good as Ari Fleischer or Snow. Ari is a beautiful liar.

    I guess I was expecting more of a Baghdad Bob style of performance from him, but that did not happens so I’ll give him his props …… for now anyway.

  • Gonzo it either
    1) Toast
    or
    2) a serious liability for W over the next 2 years

    It is not like Buash has a whole lot of credibility left. Hey Hey, Ho Ho, Alberto Gonzales has got to go! Hey Hey, Ho Ho…

    The scary part is who is next?
    Ashcroft–>Gonzo–>?????

    I nominate Lieberman (unless he takes that War Tsar gig).

  • Here’s the thing though.

    The President (via his dep. press secretary) said that he was pleased with Gonzalez’ performance.

    **That’s** the story. It’s bad enough that these people are failures in their own performance; it’s compounded infinitely more by the fact that this is the standard accepted by the President.

    I think we should revisit that talking point – ‘the soft bigotry of low expectations’, no?

  • “But if it weren’t for Specter’s then chief of staff subversively sticking the anti-Senate confirmation language into the Patriot Act legislation, it is likely none of this would have occurred.”____Bubba

    Not only was the Republican controlled Senate not providing oversight, this act proves it as an enabler, further eroding the separation of powers. This is an elephant in the room and was a result of Specter fighting to hold onto his chairmanship in the first place.

  • Mr. Gonzales criticized other fired prosecutors for “poor management,” for losing the confidence of career prosecutors and for “not having total control of the office.”

    So we can expect to see Rachel Paulose in Minnesota get the boot any day now…. Right.

  • But he had no idea whether any of the 93 United States attorneys working for him — let alone the ones he fired — were doing a good job prosecuting real crimes…

    Funny.

    He doesn’t look like a guy who spends a lot of time on his mountain bike shouting “Air Raid”.

    So what’s his excuse for being a no-nothing?
    That he’s a dull-witted apparatchik with a twist of thug?

  • I’m still a little confused about one point.

    Why was Jon Kyl (I think it was him) questioning Gonzolez so much on some petty problem about gambling. That line of questioning went on about 5 minutes and was about how the AG was to handle gambling in the future. It was – it seemed – totally off topic. Did anyone else notice this?

  • All those who played footsie with Rove are now finding their feet being put to the fire. Specter looks like somebody with hot feet trying to dance away from his past. A burst of theatrical outrage after all those years of oversight silence is not convincing.

  • What I find most maddening is that this is such a waste of time. Gonzales, like Bush, DeLay and so many others, has adopted the tactic of refusing to acknowledge any wrongdoing in order to remain in power. They all operate under the notion that if they reject their own guilt and/or foibles, others will do the same. By pushing the boundaries of behavior to unethical levels unfathomable to most people, they disarm us.

    Gonzales is essentially saying, ‘I’m not going to resign and you can’t make me unless you convict me of criminal wrongdoing, and to prevent that, I’m going to confuse matters to the point that everything will become conjecture, and you’ll have nothing.’

    It may be an overworn phrase, but he’s doing his best to create a new reality.

  • Comment *

    Kyl was engaging the practice known as the filibuster, i.e., giving Abu Gonz a 5 minute break from further dissessembling on the issue at hand

  • If Rove is a spin doctor then Gonzales is a terminal spin patient beyond hope of treatment. The only thing left to spin is Gonzo’s demise.

  • As I’ve said elsewhere, Gonzales may stick around for awhile. Replacing him will involve lots of risks and/or a hard fight with the Dem majority to get the successor confirmed. And in any case Gonzales is Bush’s alter-ego; inept, dishonest and tongue-tied. Bush may have meant it when he said he was pleased with the AG’s performance yesterday; Bush himself is no better.

  • #8 phoebes – The answer is simple, because Kyl is a “loyal Bushie”, the only living human being still objecting to reversing the crazy unconstitutional Patriot act clause that allows the president to appoint anyone he likes as USAs without Senate approval.

  • Comment #10 has hit it head on.

    Gonzo will not resign his position. Bush has his confidence and will not fire him. Doesn’t matter what does or does not come out in the Senate hearings. The Senate has no recourse, no power to fire him. Only the President can do that and he won’t.

    So what if all of America knows the guy is a stooge/liar/partisan hack. America can’t do anything about it. Well….that’s not entirely true…
    the only thing that can be done is to cut the head off the snake.

    Impeach Bush and Cheney. They are the only ones who can be held accountable by the people and their representatives. Of course, there is not enough resolve to do this in my estimation, so we’re stuck with the incompetent Republican’ts until the next election. And BushCo knows it.

  • Gonzales doesn’t know and can’t explain why the U.S. Attorneys were fired.

    Abu Gonzalez knows exactly why they were fired. He’s just sacrificing himself to protect Rove, Bush, et al. And I’ll bet any amount of money that once he’s gone (which will happen), he’ll get a nice, cushy job at a lobbying firm or GOP donor’s company. Just wait.

    Of course, no one yesterday asked why in the holy hell Rove was involved, which seemed strange. After all, if the political adviser of the president is involved, then the decision had to have been political, didn’t it?

  • Gonzales wasn’t using all that time hidden away to prepare for the hearing, the way you and I might. He was undoubtedly sequestered away with Karl Rove, being told repeatedly what NOT to say. This was clear from the contorted, pretzel logic of many of his denials.

  • “Ari is a beautiful liar.”
    the thing about fleischer was he really didn’t give a shit if you knew he was lying, and he let you know that, too.

  • “…hard to imagine how he could have done a better job, short of simply admitting the obvious: that the firing of eight United States attorneys was a partisan purge.” – NYT

    Excuse me, these were all good Republicans. It’s amazing that anyone would call this “partisan” when it’s a Republican’t congressmen convincing a Bushite White House and DoJ to fire Republican U.S. Attorneys.

    Remember, the scandel here is not the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys. The Scandel is the conduct of the 86 (let’s exclude Fitzgerald) U.S. Attorneys who were not fired. THEY were the ones who were acceptably partisan for the White House.

  • We are suppose to believe that Gonzo can’t remember anything, even from a month or two ago, pleaze…

    Look at his record, he might be a despicable human being, but he is the first man on the planet to figure out how to legally run around the Geneva Conventions. He figured out how to spy on Americans and maneuver the process in such a way as to keep the guilty from ever having to face the music. The guy has a brain and just because he uses it for evil does not mean it’s not working properly.

    Gonzo is lying, we know, he knows it, the Senate knows it, the White House knows it, everyone knows it, so let’s stop with the “We don’t yet know whether Mr. Gonzales is merely so incompetent that he should be fired immediately, or whether he is covering something up.”

    We know Gonzo.

  • Bush cannot afford to release Gonzales, for fear that Gonzales will sing his foolish head off, once free from the WH grip. That’s the only plausile reason for Gonzales to still be AG when the sun goes down later today—otherwise, we’d be hearing the whirring sound of electric motors, as the bomb-bay doors swing open to drop this maniacal bungler of an AG from a very, very high altitude….

  • Gridlock nailed it in #15.

    The only thing that can be done is to cut the head off the snake.

    NOW.

    Dems are shirking their responsibility to protect this nation, and they will sit around later and ask us “who knew it would get this bad?”

    We knew.

    Do your jobs, you pricks. You have an AG lying to your faces. You have an illegal war going on. You have clear violations of FISA law. You have so many f***ing crimes they can’t be listed.

    DO. YOUR. JOB.

  • To add to Racerx, issue the subpoenas, all of them, including those for the RNC emails. The moment the WH refuses to produce people and documents, bring the well-drfated and crafted articles of impeachment.

  • I think that it is clear to every sentinent individual that AG AG botched yesterday. My question is, given Juniors own penchant for poor public speaking performances does he realize that AG AG blew it?

    I am surprised that Sen. Huckleberry’s questioning yesterday didn’t get more play. He asked a leading question along the lines of: did you really fire these people because of personality conflicts with senior officials? He then went on to hint that AG AG should step down because he screwed up by not giving this time honored cover story. Of course, the rather dense AG didn’t buy into this out. However, I think if thing get really bad for BushCo and the AG has to step down. The Huckleberry Fair Tale will be used.

  • Mr. Gonzales came across as a dull-witted apparatchik incapable of running one of the most important departments in the executive branch.

    Shorter statement: “Mr. Gonzales came across as a Republican.”

    We don’t yet know whether Mr. Gonzales is merely so incompetent that he should be fired immediately, or whether he is covering something up.

    I think the answer is “c”: Both.

  • A big mistake is being made here in asking Gonzales to resign. He should be indited by the House and prosecuted. It will lead all the way to the WH. This man enabled wire taps, torture, politicizing the DOJ, and never once overturning a death penalty case. He is the death prosecutor who has as much blood on his hand as one of Attila’s generals. He is total corruption and incompetence is bringing him down and he got his orders from Bush and Rove. He shouldn’t just lose his job he should be in jail. The Dems need to demonstrate they truly have the stomach for bringing true accountability to this Criminal Administration and it begins with indicting Gonzales. You can’t let them get away with it all, the dead are pointing the way.

  • I’m gonna go out on a limb here…. But why are we all so interested in having Gonzales resign as soon as possible? In the senate it was clear that he only has Hatch, Kyl and Cornyn in his corner which means Bush’s corner.

    Now that most of the American Public knows what has been going on, it is not as if Gonzales would ever be able to get away with anything any longer. If Bush decides to keep him on, he’ll have to cross all his T’s and dot all his I’s, otherwise the bloggosphere will be all over him.

    The morons on the house and senate who are still pulling the Bush line and the die-hard right wingers will never be convinced. As long as the independents and democrats vote for ‘reasonable’ candidates next election cycle, we won’t have to worry.

    All we need is for factual representation of the misdeeds when election season comes along… Just think of ALL the flip-flopping that has been going on with the current crop of Republican candidates.

    Sure I’d like Gonzales to be a gonner, but I rather have him there, knowing that he’s on a short leash, than having an unknown ‘supposedly good Republican replacement –> who invariable turns out to be another Alito or Roberts whom they ‘sold’ to the American public as centrists.

    I’m sure that some of the voters who are not brain dead in “Kyl – Cornyn – Hatch” districts are starting to wonder what kind of idiot is representing them… maybe wishful thinking, but not out of line.

  • I think that Leahy did a pretty good job. During the meeting he corrected Cornyn’s false claim insinuating that Clinton was worse because he fired ALL AG’s Leahy corrected Cornyn by pointing out that Ronald Reagan replaced all the AG’s from Carter’s administration – That Bush senior replaced almost all of Reagan’s AG’s – that Clinton replaced almost all Bush senior’s AG’s – that Current President Bush replaced all Clinton’s AG’s when they take office. Leahy explained that this is a traditional task that each incoming president does and that it can not be compared to the firings of the 8 AG in mid term without a good explanation.

    Leahy is also smart in rather having Spector as a luke warm ally than pissing him off and having him stubbornly stay on the Republican side.

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