‘Tasteless beyond the limits of reason’

Given that I devoted several posts to highlighting far-right, blame-the-victim lunacy in response to the massacre at Virginia Tech, I thought it only fair to underscore a high-profile conservative who doesn’t share in his colleagues’ crass stupidity.

The National Review’s John Derbyshire, as we all know by now, got this ball rolling on Tuesday, the day after the shootings, with an item criticizing the victims’ failure to take on the well-armed madman. Today, Derbyshire’s colleague, John Podhoretz, whom no one would fairly describe as anything but a die-hard conservative, brought some sanity to the discussion.

The notion that a human being or group of human beings holding no weapon whatever should somehow “fight back” against someone calmly executing other people right in front of their eyes is ludicrous beyond belief, irrational beyond bounds, and tasteless beyond the limits of reason.

“Why didn’t anyone rush the guy?” Derb asks. Gee, I don’t know. Because he was executing people? Because if you rush a guy with a gun, he shoots you in the head the way he executed the teachers in each classroom?

Derb claims proudly to be touching a “third rail” by raising something no one wants to talk about. The third rail is a metaphor for electrocution. What happened in those classrooms was no metaphor. It was a psychotic with a gun and a lot of people with no weaponry at their disposal. A few were astonishingly brave, and deserve to be considered heroes. Everybody else was just a person either in danger of being murdered, being mortally wounded, or being murdered.

In the name of old-fashioned and time-honored forms of human behavior, Derb has trampled on one of the oldest: Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Derbyshire hasn’t responded to Podhoretz’s rebuke, but NRO’s Kathryn Jean Lopez contributed a tepid defense.

Jpod, Derb’s point is one that has been echoed by other rational people — here and elsewhere. Folks ponder — and pray over — what would I advise my child to do? What would I do? Why do we hold that heroic professor in such esteem? Because he did something remarkable. But thinking and discussing what one would do in such a situation is only normal…and rational. And it’s also, I don’t think, condemning what those who were there and did what they did . But it’s not an irrelevant or irrational issue to consider — at home, on oped pages…

There’s a kernel of truth to this, I suppose. People do wonder how they’d respond to a crisis, and it’s hardly an unreasonable thought to ponder.

But that’s not what Derbyshire did here. The post that drew all the attention wasn’t just a thought experiment in which he “pondered” various scenarios. He wrote an item, just one day after the horrific incident, asking, “Where was the spirit of self-defense here? … [W]hy didn’t anyone rush the guy? It’s not like this was Rambo, hosing the place down with automatic weapons…. At the very least, count the shots and jump him reloading or changing hands. Better yet, just jump him…. [D]idn’t the heroes of Flight 93 teach us anything?”

This wasn’t just a writer thinking what he would have done differently; this was a hack criticizing victims for exercising what he considered poor decision-making skills. These victims.

The first attack came in Room 206, advanced hydrology taught by Loganathan. There were 13 graduate students in the class, all from the civil engineering department. There was no warning, no foreboding sounds down the hallway. The gunman entered wordlessly and began shooting. Students scattered to get as far away from the door as possible. One bullet hit Partahi “Mora” Lumbantoruan, an Indonesian doctoral student. His body fell on top of fellow graduate student Guillermo Colman. Then the shooter aimed his two guns around the room, picking off people one by one before leaving. Colman, protected by his classmate’s prone body, was one of only four in the room to survive. The professor and so many of his disciples, most of them international students, were dead. Along with Colman, the three who survived were Nathanial Krause, Lee Hixon and Chang-Min Park. Two other members of the class lived because they didn’t make it in that morning.

In Jamie Bishop’s German class, they could hear the popping sounds. What was that? Some kind of joke? Construction noises? More pops. Someone suggested that Bishop should place something in front of the classroom door, just in case. The words were no sooner uttered than the door opened and a shooter stepped in. He was holding guns in both hands. Bishop was hit first, a bullet slicing into the side of his head. All the students saw it, an unbelievable horror. The gunman had a serious but calm look on his face. Almost no expression. He stood in the front and kept firing, barely moving. People scrambled out of the line of fire. Trey Perkins knocked over a couple of desks and tried to take cover. No way I can survive this, he thought. His mind raced to his mother and what she would go through when she heard he was dead. Shouts, cries, sobs, more shots, maybe 30 in all. Someone threw up. There was blood everywhere. It took about a minute and a half, and then the gunman left the room.

Perkins and two classmates, Derek O’Dell and Katelyn Carney, ran up to the door and put their feet against it to make sure he could not get back in. They would have used a heavy table, but there were none, and the desks weren’t strong enough.

Soon the gunman tried to get back in. The three students pressed against the door with their arms and legs, straining with their lives at stake. Unable to budge the door, the gunman shot through it four times. Splinters flew from the thick wood. The gunman turned away, again. There were more pops, but each one a bit farther away as he moved down the hall. The scene in the classroom “was brutal,” Perkins recalled. Most of the students were dead. He saw a few who were bleeding but conscious and tried to save them. He took off his gray hoodie sweat shirt and wrapped it around a male student’s leg.

Derbyshire had the nerve to question these people’s “spirit of self-defense.”

Derbyshire can write whatever he wants; that is his right. I have no desire to censor him, but I have no desire to forgive him, either.

I think ‘Derbyshire’ is English for ‘douchebag.’

  • TCR wrote: “People do wonder how they’d respond to a crisis, and it’s hardly an unreasonable thought to ponder.”

    Quite true, and I’m sure we’ll hear lots of media experts tell us what the best response is to such a crisis situation (my guess: run if you can). For me, one of the most loathsome aspects of JD’s ‘critique’ (and I keep thinking up new ways I consider it disgusting) is that he is clearly speaking from complete ignorance, and didn’t bother to even ask a law enforcement official what a good course of action should be. ‘Advising’ people about life or death situations that you have no experience or knowledge of is irresponsible, and I would say morally reprehensible.

  • The Derb’s words are meaningless, yet beyond any semblance of human dignity, since despite his chastizing the students for not putting up a kamikaze resistance to the VT gunman, he has yet to pose to his own readers to get off their own butts and head over to Iraq to fight the war they love so much. Once a yellow elephant, always a yellow elephant.

  • Derbyshire’s “thinking” is exactly what got us into Iraq. Stupidity, laced with arrogance, piled high with ego.

    Of course we can kick Saddam’s ass. So let’s do it. Anyone who says otherwise is a wimp.

  • Most people will never know what they will do when there is a man with a gun shooting near them. I do. I was in a mall food court when a shooting occurred, and I know exactly how I responded.

    I got down on the floor so I’d be out of the line of fire, and I waited for the shooting to stop. Then I got out of there as fast as I could without causing a panic.

    Was I brave? Not by Derbyshire’s yardstick. But I was between my pregnant wife and the shooter the whole time, and all three of us are still alive, and my two kids still have a father.

    We’ll hear more and more about the heroism of the people at VT. In a brutal situation people acted selflessly to save the lives of others, in many cases dying that others could live. And I’ll bet if you ask any one of those heroes if they’d rather have had a chance to run away, every one of them would say yes.

  • I think ‘Derbyshire’ is English for ‘douchebag.’

    Nah, it’s for “Pommie Putz” or Willie the Wanker.

    Given that there isn’t one of these one-handed sedentary militants who wouldn’t be peeing his pants if someone ever came up in person and shook a fist in their face, let alone a weapon, it’s beyond belief that these cowards and dodgers-of-service would come out with this sort of crap.

    Oh,I forget. They all have an out for why they never join up these days.

    The Army can’t take the obvious psychopaths anymore.

  • Definitely. I bet Derbyshire has actively avoided any and every scenario where he would ever have to put himself at risk of any type of injury. Whether it be a shooting situation like that presented at VT, or where someone he didn’t know was in distress and helping that person could result in harm to himself or his property, or where a crowd he was part of was fighting over the last box of half-off Depends at the annual JC Penny memorial day sale.

  • These die -hard (but only in their fantasies) conservatives are so willing to impose their daring warrior spirit on others without putting their own lives at risk.
    So brave with some one else’s life, and so cautious with their own.

  • “Stick a fucking gun in his mouth…”

    Let’s not respond to brutality with more brutality. This type of “Dirty Harry” vengeance fantasy seems to be exactly what motivates shooters like Cho, who are just mimicking the type of “justice” they see in the surrounding culture.

  • But thinking and discussing what one would do in such a situation is only normal…and rational.

    Poor bitch can’t read. Or she’s another fRightie lying crap sack. Hattrick never talked about what he would do in such a situation. The only time he mentioned himself was to let everyone know he’s crap at firing a gun.

    Derbyshire’s “thinking” is exactly what got us other people into Iraq. Stupidity, laced with arrogance, piled high with ego, ^and knowing he will never in the line of fire.

    Of course we can kick Saddam’s ass. So let’s do it. Anyone who says otherwise is a wimp. ^And by “we” I mean someone, anyone but me. I’ll be back here sitting on my fat backside. Maybe I’ll write a shitty piece about soldiers who get captured by the RNG.

    Sorry RacerX, couldn’t resist touching up your contribution a bit.

  • When faced with certain death the white-eye pisses his pants, and dies. To endlessly debate the folly of man in an “afterlife.”

    The Derb isn’t actually to far off the mark – ‘cept he never hustled down a jungle trail with a bud ‘ore his shoulder and a bullett in his butt. This is yet another example of the disintigration of the american myth, the recognition that we are not the iconic rough and tumble individualist of the nineteenth century “cowboy” culture we idealize. Ironic it makes the multimillionairemedia via the reichwing squaw pundits.

    Didn’t Lush Rimjob get canned from Monday Night Football for Tuesday Morning Quarterbacking?

  • Derbyshire’s “thinking” is exactly what got us into Iraq. Stupidity, laced with arrogance, piled high with ego.

    Hummed to the tune:

    Bomb, bomb, bomb… bomb bomb Iran.

  • Frankly, I think we need to keep confronting this guy – and others who said the same tripe – to apologize. Keep making an issue out of it.

    I hope someone from the university calls Derb on this crap. Let’s see him tell them he didn’t mean it or it was an experiment.

  • The thing is, one teacher, Kevin Granata did exactly what John Derbyshire suggests — he charged the guy and now he’s dead. He also was in the military for a while and had the training to make your instincts to go after the guy.
    On a tangent, I wonder how Debbie Schlussel feels about one of the heroes of the sad saga being an Egyptian grad student, who while wounded himself, distracted the shooter from blowing away another student.

  • I’d like to add that whatever differences I have with the Pod (and there are a great many and a great many of those are important, material differences), Podhoretz is to commended for taking Derbyshire to task (and by extension, all the other neocons who have quickly jumped on that bandwagon).

  • Derbyshire is a nobody. How anyone responds to violence that’s beyond his or her comprehension deserves no judgment. Cho Seung-Hui had a gun in each hand and shot like a robot. It’s a miracle that anyone survived, and the heroes among the living and the dead deserve our respect.

  • Derbyshire’s gone beyond stupid. His column is everything I’ve hated about the neocon and RW think tank movement. If he were a former SAS commando, I could see his point even if I didn’t think it was warranted.

    But then again, he claimed to be an extra from the Bruce Lee film, Return of the Dragon which is where he probably got the idea for his column in the first place. Yeah, I wonder if he’s tried catching a bullet with chopsticks.

  • I live in Richmond VA and everywhere I went today there were signs expressing support for the students, families and faculty. I think that anyone who is low enough to even suggest that the students could have done anything to stop this, or it is the universities fault or whatever new crap is being spewed out ther should rot in hell. As I learned in the Army=those who can’t , then try to tell us what we should have done. No one knows what to do in that type of situation until you are faced with a gun in your face and see your classmates and professors dying in front of you. Mr Derbyshire—shut the fuc# up……………

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