Wednesday’s Mini-Report

Today’s edition of quick hits.

* In a vote that surprised no one, the House came far short of overriding the president’s veto of war funding this afternoon. The final vote was 222 to 203, not even close to the necessary two-thirds majority.

* Speaker Pelosi did have a memorable line shortly before the vote. Responding to Bush’s line that lawmakers shouldn’t replace their judgment for the generals’, Pelosi said, “Wrong again, Mr. President. We are substituting our judgment for your judgment, 16 blocks down Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House. We are substituting the judgment of this Congress for your failed judgment.”

* There were some interesting purge scandal updates this afternoon, and I’ll have a fuller picture in the morning, but in the meantime this is awfully interesting: “Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has issued a subpoena to the Justice Department demanding it turn over all e-mails in its possession to or from Karl Rove, White House deputy chief of staff, related to the firing of eight U.S. attorneys last year, as well as any Rove e-mails uncovered during the Valerie Plame probe.”

* There was some pretty outrageous police conduct at an immigration rally in LA yesterday. Today, the LAPD announced it was initiating an investigation.

* LAT: “An Interior Department official who was recently rebuked for altering scientific conclusions to reduce protections for endangered species and providing internal documents to lobbyists resigned Monday, officials said.” It’s more interesting than it sounds; here’s some background on Julie MacDonald’s escapades.

* YouTube has an ideology? Apparently. “Republican White House veterans Charlie Gerow and Jeff Lord have created a new conservative video Web site called QubeTV, which they describe as an alternative to YouTube, a popular clearinghouse for sharing video files. ‘We saw a need for a social-networking site for the center-right,’ Mr. Gerow said of the site, at www.Qubetv.tv.”

* When it comes to tolerance for terrorism, Bush is somewhere between Goldilocks and John Kerry.

* Reagan seemed to worry quite a bit about Armageddon.

* Scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center and the National Center for Atmospheric Research found that Arctic sea ice is melting at a significantly faster rate than projected by the most advanced computer models. That’s not good. (thanks S.W.)

* The AP asked the presidential candidates what item each would “most like to have if stranded on a desert island.” Answer I could best relate to: Mike Huckabee, who said, “Laptop with satellite reception.” Best answer: Rep. Tom Tancredo, who said, “Boat.” (Candidates were also asked about their favorite reality show.)

* Olbermann’s ratings keep going up. One might think there’s some kind of audience for his style of commentary and reporting.

* Are NBA refs biased against black players? Maybe.

* Speaking of basketball, here’s an interesting item matching presidential candidates and playoff teams. (Thanks M.J.W.S.)

* Apparently, Circuit City hurt itself by firing its best employees. As Digby put it, “Who would ever have imagined that customers would want someone knowledgeable and experienced to explain big ticket electronic items to them before they lay out thousands of dollars? Any pimply faced teen-ager can do it, right? Boy, these businessmen shure r smart.”

* And finally, TP reported, “A new study by Indiana University media researchers finds that Fox News host Bill O’Reilly calls ‘a person or a group a derogatory name once every 6.8 seconds, on average, or nearly nine times every minute during the editorials that open his program each night.'” Let’s not forget that O’Reilly has said, on the air, “I don’t do personal attacks here.”

Anything to add? Consider this an end-of-the-day open thread.

Youtube ideological? Just like wikipedia. And yahoo. And google. It’ll probably go over just as well wikistupedia, er Conpedia. I have the strangest feeling that we’ll have a lot of hackers uploading really bizarre porn clips and fetish stuff out of spite onto WTFtube.

Actually, the internet is really against idiot ideological cons. Why? Well, the SW that runs it is based on the principles laid down by John Von Neuman, a brilliant mathematician and “afflicted” with the gay. Strike One. And the HW is based on physics that can not be explained without delving into the origins of the universe (Maxwell’s equations and solid state/quantum physics) and those physics run counter to the idea that the universe is a mere 6000 years old. Strike Two. Finally, the commercial internet from those bastions of liberal thought, universities (although it was originally a military network.) Strike three.

Why don’t we make a special internet for Cons? I’ll supply the string if someone else will supply the cans.

  • so far as the next step after the inevitable veto goes, i think john edwards is on to something. congress should keep sending bush the same bill over and over. the majority of americans clearly support it, and i think that as time passes and spurious george becomes more and more politically toxic to the republican congress (almost all of whom will have to stand for election again) that there will be more and more defections. even if there aren’t, who wouldn’t want the oppo material it would provide the next round of campaign ads? how many republicans want to be seen voting against funding the troops over and over again in service to a failed president? sure, it’d probably help many of them in the primaries, but general elections are another thing entirely.
    also, getting our people out of there as quickly as is safely possible is the right thing to do, which should take precedence over the political calculations i’ve enumerated above.

  • Circuit City? ‘Tis comedy worthy of a Shakespearian stage, when you put a bunch of know-nothing rugrats on a sales-floor—with unstocked shelves. Look to see their bottom line go into a fiery tailspin—because they’ll be dealing with understocked shelves during store hours—and uncomfortable amounts of overtime pay to compensate for putting “the stockroom-children” outside the stockroom during business hours….

  • Forgot to add about Circuit City. Maybe they should have taken a lesson from Home Depot which did the same stupid thing. Was number one, now number two and sinking.

    The execubots never do learn.

  • “Wrong again, Mr. President. We are substituting our judgment for your judgment, 16 blocks down Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House. We are substituting the judgment of this Congress for your failed judgment.”

    OMG! Don’t they know, he’s like, the Leader? Like, I haven’t read the constitution, and don’t know a thing about the people who wrote it, but don’t I like get that and everybody else doesn’t? / republican

  • * In a vote that surprised no one, the House came far short of overriding the president’s veto of war funding this afternoon. The final vote was 222 to 203, not even close to the necessary two-thirds majority.

    Wasn’t gonna be a 2/3 majority and we’ve always known it. That still doesn’t mean that the 7 “Dem” defectors will be forgiven.

  • Best answer: Rep. Tom Tancredo, who said, “Boat.”

    Aside from clearly being outside of the spirit of the question, Kucinich had the best answer: his wife That is one good looking dame.

    why a boat would be better than a plane is beyond me.

  • Are NBA refs biased against black players?

    I wouldn’t doubt it. It’s fucking ridiculous that Nash keeps getting nominated for all these MVP awards. I don’t even follow the NBA, but my brother explained it to me, and while he’s clearly a great player, he doesn’t deserve that recognition so clearly compared to others. He’s never even been to a championship.

    Just because they’re a bunch of white guys around a bunch of black guys doesn’t make them not racist. Even NBA fans.

  • That ” / republican ” in my first comment was the faux-xhtml close tag, which I derided in a comment the other day. It’s just a computer-person in-joke. It means I was writing, satirically, as if I was a Republican.

    See the XHTML note above the box where you write comments. You put an i with a / before it between carrots when you want to turn off italics.

    Just for those who don’t know.

  • “There was some pretty outrageous police conduct at an immigration rally in LA yesterday. Today, the LAPD announced it was initiating an investigation.”

    The conduct was NOT outrageous, but apears to have been restrained and professional. There were no major injuries, only minor ones, and there was NO comparable action against the MUCH larger downtown march, which was entirely peaceful.

    On the tape shown on Dem Now! today, masked persons (teenagers, apparently) were throwing rocks back at cops. That may well have been in retaliation for the rubber bullets, but Angelica Salas, who was one of organizers of the MacArthur Park permitted protest, spoke on Dem Now!

    She said “what I saw, instead of isolating a problem group, they (LAPD) pushed them into the crowd.”

    The LAPD tactics once they decided to clear the park aside, this is Ms. Salas confirming that there was “a problem group.” That group was not terrorists or ‘illegals,’ but most likely high school students and other youth who DO, I know from personal experience, often confuse the LAPD for ‘the Man,’ as if all police are extensions of a monolithic U.S. power (which is not the case). On the tape you can see them throwing what appear to be rocks.

    NO SUCH ACTION OCCURED IN THE MUCH LARGER MARCH EARLIER.

    This problem occured toward sundown, and BY provocation by a problem group. The LAPD does not appear to have overreacted, did not (so far as it appears) cause grevious bodily harm to anyone.

    As a local protester, I deal with LAPD a lot. They are on the main professional and even respectful. We do get peace signs from officers (covertly). The LAPD is not the enemy, and this particular incident was handled with considerable moderation by them.

    I myself have stopped youth from attacking LAPD during our peaceful protests in the last five years. The monolithic rhetoric is at fault — it causes kids to think that attacking street cops somehow resists authority on the federal level. No, it just causes problems for peaceful protesters, who were forced to flee the park while the LAPD engaged rock-throwing teenagers who after a long day of protesting and rallying were apparently — as they have in the past — BORED.

  • The problem with YouTube for some (read: conservatives) is not that it has an ideology. The problem is that it lacks an ideology. How can you stay on message if you’re competing with the Truth?

  • MVP doesn’t mean the best player in the league. It means the Most Valuable Player. Nash is clearly the glue that holds the Suns together and the engine that makes them run. Take Nash away from the Suns, and their efficiency (and wins) probably drop by 50%.

    Nash and the Suns play basketball the way the fans and David Stern like to see it played–lots of running, lots of assists (Nash had 23 assists against the Lakers last game), lots of scoring, lots of dunks, lots of wins.

    Bryant may be the best individual offensive player in the league, but Nash is the MVP.of the league.

  • “Wasn’t gonna be a 2/3 majority and we’ve always known it. That still doesn’t mean that the 7 “Dem” defectors will be forgiven.” — libra

    They have supported the war from its inception. Therefore they are not ‘defecting.’

    • John Barrow (GA),
    • Dan Boren, (OK),
    • Lincoln Davis (TN),
    • Jim Marshall (GA),
    • Jim Matheson (UT),
    Michael McNulty (NY),
    • Gene Taylor (MS)

    ALL, except McNulty, voted NAY on the submitted bill in the first place.

    J. Lewis (D-GA & Michaud (D-ME) are Bluedogs who previously voted nay on the submitted bill. Apparently they voted with caucus to override the veto.

  • Paul in LA, did you watch the video? They start pushing a lady who’s trying to help her friend, they threaten people to move. . . even if someone did throw a rock (and that was NOT in the report I watched from the link), SO THE HELL WHAT? go get THAT guy! We don’t all of a sudden lose our constitutional right to assemble because some kid threw a rock! It’s not “appropriate” to seize the area because of one incident.

  • “Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has issued a subpoena to the Justice Department demanding it turn over all e-mails in its possession to or from Karl Rove, White House deputy chief of staff, related to the firing of eight U.S. attorneys last year, as well as any Rove e-mails uncovered during the Valerie Plame probe.”

    oh, this is sweet. so freekin sweet. while everyone in the white house is in a tizzy about the war funding veto, pat leahy knocks one out of the ballpark. i love it.

  • “Laptop with satellite reception.”

    Hell yeah! If only the Professor had that set-up, he’d have located the lagoon from Google Earth and e-mailed the damn Coast Guard.

    Edo: “why a boat would be better than a plane is beyond me.”

    You must be a trained pilot, then. As for the rest of us…

  • Senator Ron Wyden (OR) has a hold on one of the Bush nominations. Senator Wyden insists that the Secretary of the Interior addresses the issue related to Julie MacDonald. He wants assurances, on record, that this MacDonald behavior will not be tolerated at the Interior Department for the rest of the Bush term.

    Way to go…

  • “Republican White House veterans Charlie Gerow and Jeff Lord have created a new conservative video Web site called QubeTV,

    Qube? Sounds kinda…unclean. Do you think they considered RubeTV or PubeTV before they settled on this one?

    Oh well, let’s just hope it does as well as Conservepedia. [snerk]

    p.s. Go Pelosi! Go Leahy! Someone give Waxman a poke, he’s falling behind in the contest to make BushBrat throw a tanturm.

  • “Paul in LA, did you watch the video? …We don’t all of a sudden lose our constitutional right to assemble because some kid threw a rock! It’s not “appropriate” to seize the area because of one incident.” –eadie

    Actually, if you are a permitted rally, you do.

    Chief Bratton has now said that the response was excessive in several reported cases (two ‘television camermen’ were beaten with truncheons, and use of rubber bullets was inappropriate for a crowd with children).

    The LAPD is a for-real police agency. They are not poodles. You don’t want to piss them off. I am not pretending that they are angels, nor am I defending all of their various actions throughout the day and night, EVERY day and night. The point I am making is that they are not the police state in person, and they did NOT riot, though some of the officers apparently will need to be punished for violating LAPD policy, and repercussions are certainly appropriate in such cases.

    That’s the LAPD operating pretty much as it has to. The trick is to properly supervise the rally, and not allow fringe elements to bring the whole gathering crashing down through misbehavior. At EVERY march or rally we have people monitoring for such troublemakers. I regret I was not on hand for this rally, but to blame the LAPD en masse for the (pretty mild) actions of a few or for clearing the park after someone apparently/supposedly attacked an officer is just naive. YES, btw, we DO HAVE TO KEEP THE LAPD AT BAY, by doing due supervision. And we have suceeded in that hundreds of times.

    There are individuals and groups who do not believe in peaceful protest. Their actions is why the rest who do became targets — and given the minor nature of the injuries, while some officers will probably lose pay or other punishment, the rest of the LAPD is not to blame, and the officers who did not overreact did their jobs.

    It is important to remember who the enemy is — it is not our local police in any probative way. Rodney King beating this was not. It was a relatively minor incident, of the sort that is always possible if permit holders cannot satisfy the cops that it’s all under control.

  • Island question: did anybody say an EPIRB? If you had absolutely no idea where you were, that would be even better than a laptop with satellite.

    Then again, I can see Dennis’s point. Hey, if Kucinich would get his wife involved in the campaign and even just take her along as eye candy, he’d be way higher in the polls.

  • I heard some local radio reports (KPFK) that stated that it was SWAT who attacked those people in MacArthur park. One of the interviews with a fellow who said that people weren’t even throwing things ANY MORE when he was hit in the ribs by a baton. Another fellow was hit in both elbows by rubber bullets (shot from behind), who said that there was no warning. Video does clearly show that the LAPD dispersed a predominantly Latino group without bothering to translate into Spanish.

    If SWAT was deployed, that could mean that they were operating on a ‘force protection’ mandate instead of crowd control (which isn’t a SWAT duty, SFAIK). But it’s just a rumor at this point.

    But a key point about the timing seems to be that the event which triggered SWAT (?) occured at least an hour before the scheduled evening event, at 7th and Alvarado, off the park itself. The police response to that, if such occured, may have been the excuse to use SWAT, which would be a closer relationship to Bushco, since they presumably get a lot of the terrorism funds and extra training. Maybe they wanted a training exercise.

    In 2003, a Stryker and a tank were rolled out onto Wilshire Blvd., and the tank pointed its machine guns at the peaceful protesters. This is a previous example of an opportunistic use of a protest situation by rightwing elements, so it may be that if SWAT was deployed, it was opportunistic. It’s also now in question whether Gov. Schwarztika had a hand in swatting the innocent Latinos and lawful protesters — since his security detail has brandished merc-type weapons at street protesters as well.


  • Actually, if you are a permitted rally, you do.

    A truely American attitude, Paul. >:|

  • Don’t blame me for the English language. Permits are requiered for large rallies anywhere in the US. They come with a series of restrictions, fees, and promises.

    So if the argument is purely 1st Amendment, it is just pie-in-the-sky.

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