Moving in different directions

When it comes to funding the war in Iraq, Dems (who enjoy public support and majority status in both chambers) feel like they have no choice but to back away from their recently passed withdrawal plan. Conversely, congressional Republicans (who have neither support nor the majority) feel like they have no choice but to back away from the White House policy.

First, the Dems.

President Bush and congressional leaders began negotiating a second war funding bill yesterday, with Democrats offering the first major concession: an agreement to drop their demand for a timeline to bring troops home from Iraq.

Democrats backed off after the House failed, on a vote of 222 to 203, to override the president’s veto of a $124 billion measure that would have required U.S. forces to begin withdrawing as early as July. But party leaders made it clear that the next bill will have to include language that influences war policy. Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) outlined a second measure that would step up Iraqi accountability, “transition” the U.S. military role and show “a reasonable way to end this war.”

Here’s the deal: Dems don’t have the votes to cut off funding for the war, so they feel like they have to pass something. A withdrawal timeline won’t get the president’s signature, so they’re slowly backing away from the spending bill that was vetoed. They could, of course, pass another appropriations bill with another timeline, but Dem leaders believe they’re running out of time — another veto could delay funding for troops in the field. For reasons that remain unclear, they think they’d be blamed for a funding shortfall.

At this point, we’re looking at what seems to be a trial balloon — they haven’t formally said they’ve given up on a withdrawal timeline, but in effect are saying, “If we did, what would we get?”

And in the meantime, congressional Republicans seem more and more willing to get further and further away from the president’s policy.

“Obviously, the president would prefer a straight funding bill with no benchmarks, no conditions, no reports,” said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine). “Many of us, on both sides of the aisle, don’t see that as viable.”

Collins, who opposed Bush’s troop buildup but balked at the Democratic withdrawal plan, is working on legislation that would require Iraqis to meet certain goals to receive U.S. reconstruction aid.

Most Republicans are expected to stick with the White House until September, when the U.S. military commander in Iraq plans to deliver a major assessment of the president’s war strategy. Bush in January ordered the deployment of an additional 21,500 troops to try to stabilize Iraq.

But the call for establishing benchmarks with concrete consequences challenges the position of the president and GOP leaders, much as the Democrats did when they tried to link the same measurements with a troop withdrawal.

And it comes as some Republicans are calling on colleagues to take a more independent position on the war after years of deferring to the White House.

“We have to be engaged developing our own proposals and not just going along with what the executive branch is doing,” said Rep. Charles Boustany Jr., a Louisiana Republican who voted against the Democratic plan to force Bush to start withdrawing troops.

Rep. Jack Kingston, a Georgia Republican who has supported Bush’s war strategy even as the public has turned against it, said, “The marketplace has become ripe for a new idea.”

An article in subscription-only Roll Call suggested the split within the Republican caucus is big and getting bigger. House Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) and Republican Conference Chairman Adam Putnam (Fla.) have reportedly urged the GOP caucus to embrace a “consequences package” that would tie benchmarks for the Iraqi government to reconstruction aid. Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) opposes the policy, and it’s unclear which faction has more votes.

“We’re getting increasingly frustrated with the White House’s unwillingness to reach out to us and talk to us,” said one Republican Member. “We need to have three good months on the war or Republicans are going to jump from this White House, maybe not into the arms of [Speaker] Nancy Pelosi [D-Calif.], but they’ll be keeping their distance from the White House.”

The Member also criticized the lack of movement by Bush and his team to provide ways of measuring progress in Iraq. “I agree that no one’s won a war by announcing their surrender date, but nobody’s won a war without benchmarks and timelines.”

Dems are moving closer to the president; Republicans are moving further away from the president, and no one has any idea what the post-veto spending bill might look like. Stay tuned.

Update: Greg Sargent reports that Pelosi’s office denies the accuracy of the Post article. A Pelosi aide said, “Not true. Speaker just told members of the Democratic caucus that the story is totally untrue. We are still deciding what provisions the new bill will include.”

The Dems act more and more like a battered spouse–must be the effects of being subject to the ‘bitchslap theory of politics’ for so long. No wonder Dems are seen as soft.

  • “For reasons that remain unclear, they think they’d be blamed for a funding shortfall.”

    i’m not so sure if i agree that would be the case any more. my feeling is that the american public has finally caught on and will place the blame where it belongs – on the white house. so, i guess i’d stick with my earlier feeling that dems should just send the same bill back again.

    on the other hand, there might be some merit to getting more republicans to shift their positions more toward the democrats’ position, so it might be wise to make some concessions. but please, don’t give up quite so much quite so soon…….

  • This is what happens when you get a Democratic party that feels and obligation to do the moral thing for the troops in terms of funding and a Republican White House that feels they can screw over the troops to score political points.

    I hate the idea of the Dems falling for the standard Republican Compromise® where the opposition has to cave in to repub demands and getting nothing in return.

    The Democrats need to hand this war around the Republicans necks as being their war and they need to figure out a way to get out of it. They also need to call them the arty of Bush to try to wedge them away from the president’s views. The Repubs have the skeletons in the closet and the dirty laundry that Democrats need to start exposing plainly to the public. The war, and its poor prosecution, is their fault.

  • “I won’t support a supplemental spending bill that doesn’t have binding language to redeploy U.S. troops from Iraq.” – Russ Feingold

    Yeah, what Russ said. Call your Congressman and Senators and ask them to take Russ’ lead.

  • Dems feel like they have no choice but to back away from their recently passed withdrawal plan?

    WTF?

    A growing majority of American people want our kids home, and they HATE George W Bush.

    Who the hell cares if Bush and the Republicans SAY “Democrats are cutting off the funds for the troops”. Only 20% of America believes a f***ing word they say anymore!

    Dems are backing off at their own risk. They need to do the job they were hired to do, and that does NOT include cutting Bush any slack.

  • From what I can tell, the Ds at least tried with the last bill, and probably did the best they could considering the various positions within their various caucuses. That they provided cover for Rs and helped nudge some of them away from Bush is itself an accomplishment. Without the votes to overturn the veto, there’s not much Ds can do but back off a bit. In the meantime, the public saw that they tried and Bush didn’t.

    Better still, Bush still owns the war.

  • “For reasons that remain unclear, they think they’d be blamed for a funding shortfall.”

    I don’t think they’ll be blamed as long as they speak out as a group, loudly and consistently, that they passed a spending bill and that BUSH vetoed it. If they would try and frame the argument for once, they could easily come out ahead.

    The danger that lies with them backing down and passing a weaker bill is that a few principled D’s like Russ Feingold will refuse to vote for it. With them ‘separated from the herd’, the R’s will use this to attack them in the next election cycle: “All the D’s voted to support the troops except mean ol’ Russ.” There’s very good protection and strength to be had in sticking together for a principle here. The moment a spending bill passes with more R’s than D’s in favor, the R’s have their ‘supporting the troops’ BS talking point back.

  • I sure hope the Dems read the NY Times today and do the freaking math.

    …More than half of Mr. Bush’s 2004 voters, 58 percent, said they want the 2008 Republican nominee to be flexible about withdrawing troops from Iraq rather than committed to keeping troops there until the United States succeeds, as Mr. Bush has advocated…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/02/us/politics/02web-elder.html?_r=1&8dpc&oref=slogin

    Got that, geniuses? Even Bush’s voters want the Dem plan rather than the Bush plan!

    GET A CLUE.

  • Pass a three-month spending bill, with the language that future re-authorization will depend on Bush reporting to Congress and satisfying them with respect to how the previous money was spent, how our troops have fared, and whether satisfactory progress has been made in stabilizing and rebuilding Iraq and in winding down our involvement.

    Then the next time re-authorization comes up, go through the exercise of offering Bush another bill that he has to veto, fail to override the veto, blame the continuation of the war on the Republicans, and note that the only way to end this thing is for people to vote out their Republican representatives and senators, no matter how much they like them personally. Make the republicans step up to own this war on a regular basis.

  • ***…Dems don’t have the votes to cut off funding for the war….***

    This is the most fantasy-based, hallucinogen-laced, two-faced piece of tripe ever produced! Dems do not need so much as one single vote to cut off funding for the Iraq War—Bu$h just did it for them! All they have to do is sit back and let “Little Mr. Mission Accomplished” spin on his thumb for a while. As the monies to continue this fiasco begin to actually dry up, he’ll be faced with a choice—negotiate a timetable with Congress, or risk being a known as “Castrated-in-Chief….”

  • I sent e-mails to two senators and a congressman urging them to return the same bill with the same timetable . . .

    Racerx (5 & 9) sounds about like everybody that I have been talking to.

    N.Wells (#10) has a good idea. Pass short term funding bills and force this conversation every 60 ~ 90 days until the Republicans come around. If the Dems are going to cave in, do it a little at a time.

  • “Dems are moving closer to the president; Republicans are moving further away from the president, and no one has any idea what the post-veto spending bill might look like.”

    I know it has been a long time since we have seen this but I believe it is an exampe of comprimise and good government. Dems are not avoiding cutting off funding so they look good, they actuall do not want funds cut off becuase we have aan obligation to support our military when we send them overseas.

    This is not mamby-pamby wussy Democratic failure. This is the right way to lead a democracy. The GOP made politics a zero sum game and it is not. Democrats were elected to lead because they believe in good government. Americans have had enough of the rhetorical hyperbole.

  • There is more here than it seems. Greg Sargent at Talking Points is on it. The Post reporter told him that aides told him about this. Sargent notes: “I have no problem believing that these aides said this, or that the withdrawal language is likely to be taken out in the end. But the question remains: If this offer hasn’t actually been made yet, why is WaPo saying it has been? It’s one thing for the aides to be saying that the language will have to go; it’s another to say even before the negotiations have started that the concession has already been offered to the White House. If what the Pelosi and Reid aides are telling me is true, isn’t WaPo jumping the gun in saying Dems have already caved in advance of the negotiations? This all gives rise to a bigger question: Why is much of the media’s coverage of this focussed on the Democratic dilemma the veto creates, while so little of it is focussed on the fact that Republicans, too, are in a bind, are trapped between public opinion and their unyielding President, and are going to have to make concessions towards a compromise?” Read the whle post here
    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/05/pelosis_office.php

  • What would happen if Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi stepped up to the microphone and said, “We passed a bill that funded the troops, provided funds for equipment and for veterans’ care, in amounts in excess of what he requested. The president has chosen to hold the troops hostage to his failed policy of no timeline, no benchmarks, no exit strategy, for a country – Iraq – whose government sees nothing wrong with taking off eight weeks this summer while our men and women sacrifice their lives and their safety. We did our job, the job the American people told us they were in favor of. For us to present a new bill that flies in the face of our responsibility to the American people, and to the troops in Iraq, would be a betrayal of our constitutional and legislative responsibility. Let the president cancel his veto, and sign the bill we passed.”

  • I’m kind of with #11. I think the dems should just move on to the next agenda item, whatever that is. They already did the work to pass a funding bill.

    Can someone explain to me why the congress has to do ANYTHING in the vein of coming up with another bill? They passed the bill the President vetoed it. Now let him deal with the consequences of his veto.

    I say drop the whole topic and proceed with the Prosecutor Firing investigations full-bore. Let the President twist in the wind.

    What am I missing?

  • This is a watershed moment. If the Dems back off the bill they just passed, all is lost (“all” being the chance to end the war and the ’08 election). Sending two months of funding just means that the Dems will be caving in every two months.

    If the WaPo article is true, I am sick at heart.

  • Give Bush a short – 90 days – funding bill with “benchmarks.” Make him come back and report on the benchmarks in September with Petraeus’ report too. Tell him no more supplementals, he has to put into the FY 2008 budget what he plans to spend on the war, or he doesn’t get another damn penny. Call him on it. Most of Americans aren’t the Associated General Contractors (all of whom managed to prove quite nicely why it is you have to stay on top of those morons on any job you hire them for, to be sure it’s done and done right).

  • The Democrats should do nothing at all.

    If Bush runs out of money for his dirty war, he’ll either have to bring the troops home, or take complete responsibility for leaving them in harms way for an occupation American’s don’t support.

    If he wants to continue his failed war policy, he will have to go begging to the Congress to pass a bill with some deadlines in it.

    Either way, the troops either come home by law, or by lack of funding to keep them in Iraq. Bush has no choice, no support, no plan and no clue.

    Why are the Dem.’s worried that they need to act. They did their part, the president said no way. Let him make a case for the war. If he can convince Americans that we should commit more, let him try.

    Stop being pussies. Hold tight. Bring the troops home. Let Bush blather all he wants as he goes down in flames.

  • All they have to do is sit back and let “Little Mr. Mission Accomplished” spin on his thumb for a while. As the monies to continue this fiasco begin to actually dry up, he’ll be faced with a choice—negotiate a timetable with Congress, or risk being a known as “Castrated-in-Chief….”

    Comment by Steve — 5/3/2007 @ 11:44 am

    … and the Right Wing Echo Chamber would just sit there quietly? No way. Dems have to keep the stream of Legislative piss directed right at Bush’s face. For instance, a 90-day funding window, or roll back of tax cuts in the exact amount of the funding. Keep the ground moving under this smirking cowboy chimps’ feet.

    -GFO

  • Let them echo. If anybody was listening, Bush would have an approval rating above 30% and support for the war would have grown instead of shrunk.

    Don’t give the right-wing propaganda machine more credit that it is currently due. People aren’t listening anymore (who aren’t reporters for CNN, Fox or WaPo anyway).

  • Bottom line, the Dem’s were voted into power to get us out of Iraq…Bush, naturally, refuses to play ball…

    So how about the Dem’s holding some nationwide town hall meetings and starting a dialogue with the American public vis-a-vis the Iraq withdrawal dilemma with Bush???…let’s hear what the public has to say – it might also be a means to educate the public about the executive’s veto privilege and Congress’s power of the purse…and make sure the first couple of meetings get on the networks: CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox.

    Trust me, the American public can always use a few civics lessons and the public just feels powerless here in the face of Bush’s obstinacy – might make them feel somewhat empowered, too…

  • One word for the Reich-Wing echo chamber:

    “Nuts.”

    Let ’em scream to the heavens. Reid and Pelosi only have to play one line: “The REAL Congress of the United States does not cowtow to the sissified Bu$h Cheerleading Squad, as its rubber-stamp predecessor did.”

    Grab the ReThug noise machine by the throat, kick it in the teeth, and leave it face-down in the gutter. Large-caliber exit wounds are, of course, optional….

  • I may be old-fashioned, but this $124 billion over three months equates to $ 1 million per minute. As I say, I might be old-fashioned, but that adds up to a heck of a lot of dough, by any standard.

    We mouth off words like “billion’ and ‘million’ as easy as Sunday, but we rarely stop to get a measure of the size of such numbers. For example, if we meet a new person every second of our life, round the clock 24 hours a day (i.e. no sleep). And if we live 95 years. How many people would we meet? Answer: 3 billion. That’s still only half of the world’s human population.

    I just find it obscene that this volume of resource is being wasted on something as futile and doomed as an interminable occupation of a foreign country. I know that’s not the issue, or an argument — I just think it’s important to remind ourselves of what’s involved. I can think of a million (slight exaggeration) ways in which such wealth could be better spent for people’s benefit, rather than for their suppression and exploitation.

  • I believe the Dems should not cater to Bush’s stubborness. Everyone has grown tired of his bullheaded rhetoric. But the Republicans are still “framing ” the the bill as “a timetable for surrender”. Withdrawing the troops and ending this affair is not a surrender. A date for withdrawal is a sign that the project is finished and now the Iraqis take over. We went as far as we said we would and we will be finishing up by such and such date. There will always be terrorism in Iraq and their National (Shiite) government will have to learn to deal with it just like every other country does. We are not “surrendering” we are withdrawing.

  • Also…WTF…How much plainer do we have to make it. We want the Dems to do EXACTLY what they did. Don’t change a thing. Send the bill back or be known as the congress who kow-tows to bullies. The majority of the country has spoken and Bush is playing politics while troops die. We gave him what he asked for and told him get it done or get out. Please don’t start backpedaling. Frame it that Bush is has screwed up everything over and over and now we say enough. This is what the voter’s want Bush to do. The Republicans will sink with him if they continue to support his non-compromising, stand alone splurge policy.

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