Republicans’ Round 1 goes to Reagan

After any debate, the first and most natural question is “who won?” Last night, the winner was obvious: Ronald Reagan.

Look, I know Reagan is the only president of the 20th century that Republicans really like. And I know that the debate was being held at the Reagan Library in California. But over the course of 90 minutes, the candidates specifically referenced the 40th president 20 times. If you count more oblique references (Gilmore thanked “the president in whose name this library is named”), the number climbs to 25. If you include references to Reagan by debate moderator Chris Matthews, well, we get pretty close to triple digits.

This just isn’t healthy. If this was a drinking game, players would have been three sheets to the wind within the first half hour. Even Peggy Noonan, who is second to no one among Reagan worshipers, explained in her column today that enough is enough.

[T]he media’s fixation with which Republican is the most like Reagan, and who is the next Reagan, and who parts his hair like Reagan, is absurd, and subtly undermining of Republicans, which is why they do it. Reagan was Reagan, a particular man at a particular point in history. What is to be desired now is a new greatness. Another way of saying this is that in 1960, John F. Kennedy wasn’t trying to be the next FDR, and didn’t feel forced to be. FDR was the great, looming president of Democratic Party history, and there hadn’t been anyone as big or successful since 1945, but JFK thought it was good enough to be the best JFK. And the press wasn’t always sitting around saying he was no FDR. Oddly enough, they didn’t consider that an interesting theme.

They should stop it already, and Republicans should stop playing along.

They should stop, but it’s not the media that’s fixated on Reagan; it’s the party. No one forced the candidates last night to repeat his name two dozen times.

As for the candidates who were actually on the stage last night, it seemed fairly obvious to me that Mitt Romney had the strongest performance, followed by Mike Huckabee. They were both extremely well prepared — Kevin accurately described Romney as “the perfect Stepford candidate” — and came across as confident and articulate. The other eight struggled to keep up.

For a relatively uneventful debate, there were a variety of interesting angles to explore — too many for one blog post — but I wanted to emphasize that I was struck more by what the candidates didn’t say than what they did say.

Before watching any gathering of Republicans, I have certain expectations about predictable rhetoric. Indeed, yesterday the Campaign for America’s Future recommended viewers play Conservative Failure Buzzword Bingo, in which viewers were to watch out for phrases such as “Cut and Run,” “Sanctity of Marriage,” “Culture of Life,” and “Tax and Spend.”

Except it didn’t happen. Of these four phrases, there was a total of one reference (Huckabee referred to the “culture of life”). Literally, just one. In fact, these guys were filled with the standard talking points, but they were actually surprisingly reserved. There were a total of only four references to 9/11, none of them particularly exploitative, which is far less than the typical Tony Snow press briefing.

For that matter, there was hardly any red meat for the far-right base at all. The word “liberal” wasn’t used once. There were sporadic references to “Democrats,” but primarily to highlight candidates’ claims that they can appeal to all voters in a general election. There was one reference to Nancy Pelosi, and one to Harry Reid.

These guys were so well behaved, Chris Matthews eventually had to put a piñata in front of them and hand them each a club: “Would it be good for America to have Bill Clinton back living in the White House?” It was easily the most moronic question of the night — what, exactly, was the point of this inquiry other than to get some Democrat-bashing into the debate? — and it finally garnered some of the responses the base craves about those evil Dems.

But the fact that Matthews had to play t-ball with these guys was, in and of itself, telling. They were on their best behavior — they didn’t bash each other, Dems, gays, women, Muslims, the poor, trial lawyers, or any of the principle right-wing boogeymen. The only group they felt comfortable going after were immigrants, but even that talk was mild by Republican standards.

It was Reagan’s 11th Commandment taken to its extreme — thou shalt not criticize anyone. I, for one, appreciated their restraint. I didn’t have to reach for the Maalox once.

Tommy Thompson looked absolutely aweful. He actually condoned discriminating against homosexuals in the workplace. Of course, the rest of the Reich Wing candidates were offensive in their own special way.

  • my brief comments:

    Mitt Romney was clearly the most poised and articulate. McCain was the most energized and passionate. Giuliani seemed to wander around with his comments. But the top three remained the top three.

    Mike Huckabee gave thoughtful responses – but he doesn’t believe in evolution? Ron Paul was far removed from the others. And Tom Tancredo gets the wingnut prize for calling for repeal of the 16th Amendment.

    So, was McCain a bit over the top? Did Giuliani too often hark back to 9/11? And is Romney too smooth by half?

    homer http://www.altara.blogspot.com

  • “These guys were so well behaved, Chris Matthews eventually had to put a piñata in front of them and hand them each a club: “Would it be good for America to have Bill Clinton back living in the White House?” It was easily the most moronic question of the night…”

    It was such a moronic question, that the candidates themselves didn’t even believe he was serious, and Chris Matthews had to reassure them he wasn’t kidding. If you can predict the responses to a question for every candidate on stage, and every answer is one word – no – the question isn’t worth asking.

    “I didn’t have to reach for the Maalox once.”

    I did actually get stomach cramps halfway through the debate. You could argue that it was the hibachi chicken I had eaten earlier, but I suspect it was listening to McCain’s war rhetoric. I get so irritated by his rhetorical question, “If the United States lost in Iraq, then who won?” You’d think that a man who goes on and on about his military savvy would realize that it is possible for nobody to win a war, i.e. it is possible for nobody to meet their strategic goals. He needs to go watch WarGames: “A strange game… the only way to win is not to play.”

  • Another ‘moronic question’ was “Anyone here who doesn’t believe in evolution?” I mean these are all educated men who…

    oh wait…

    Brownback, Tancredo and Huckabee raise their hands. OK that was a smart question in this debate.

  • Ms. Noonan gets it wrong on the media comparing todays Republican candidates to Reagan. It is Republican Party itself that does most of this. As if Reagan is a god or something.

    Look, Reagan was a good President as Republicans go. But he also was a good man who knew how to work with people with opposing views. The best example of this was his personal and working relationship with then Speaker Tip O’Neal.

    Republicans today Cannot even work with each other, let alone with Democrats or others with different views. They definatly are not “in the image” of Reagan.

  • What made Reagan such a great Republican is that when he said ‘I don’t remember’ he really meant it.

  • DGustof… I agree that Noonan is off-base blaming the media for ginning up Reganmania. This is the GOP’s golden idol. It’s true that the media tend to latch on to certain things — expensive haircuts, for example — and Reagan worship is one of them. But there’s a fine line between driving the story and simply following where Republicans go.

  • I don’t have cable, so I couldn’t “enjoy” the debate. I found this bit of douchebaggery highly nauseating:
    (from the transcript, emphasis added)

    Romney: “…everyone who’s a person of faith has values that are deeply held in their heart, and they include the value of the relationship they have with their spouse and their children, the value that they place with their country and with their community… That’s what makes America such a powerful land. Look at us. We’re a land that’s the envy of the entire world. We are the hope of the world…

    And that comes from being a people of faith, but not people of a particular church or a particular synagogue. Rather, the great values we share are American values.

    Brownback: “…we’re a nation of faith. As my colleague, Senator Lieberman, a Jew, says, America is a faith-based experiment as a country. We should celebrate and invite faith.

    And our motto is, “In God we trust.” This isn’t something that divides. This is something that pulls together and lifts us up. And it’s key, and it’s important. We shouldn’t be trying to run it out of the public square. We should invite it in and celebrate it…

    Huckabee said: “I want to state very clearly: A person’s faith shouldn’t qualify or disqualify for public office. It shouldn’t do that.”

    Can someone please ask Huckabee and Romney if a person of no faith can be a good public servant? I’d love to hear their answers.

  • Anyone else find McCain’s smile after saying “we’ll follow him to the gates of hell” just a little creepy. Actually it wasn’t creepy so much as much too contrived. I’m actually a little saddened by this whole thing. In 2000, McCain was a somewhat media savvy candidate, so much so that it took the Rove smear machine to bring him down. Now, he’s just a pandering lickspittle. Sad..really.

    Anyway, Romney was poised and came off strong. Huckabee is always strong. The guy is a good speaker, even if he is crazy. I’m pretty happy that the likes of Tancredo, Brownback, and Huckabee are in this thing just for the sheer entertainment value. The drawback obviously is that it makes the top three look sane.

  • Realizing he was trapped into watching bad theater with his dad, my son persuaded me to turn the “debate” off. We instead enjoyed an episode of Sponge Bob. After canvassing the post “debate” responses, I gather Sponge Bob would have been one of the more serious candidates if he had been invited to Toon on stage. -Kevo

  • #7 – oh that’s a low blow Schwag of Tulsa… a much fairer criticism was offered by the Progressive magazine:

    “Reagan was responsible for killing tens of thousands of innocent people in El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, and Honduras as he waged illegal wars and funded brutal militaries. The truth commission of El Salvador investigated the murders of 75,000 people during the civil war in the 1980s, and it found that the Salvadoran military, or death squads connected to the military, had committed the bulk of those crimes. At the time, Bush was lavishing hundreds of millions of dollars on the Salvadoran government, and his CIA was working with the death squads.

    Reagan was responsible, as Christopher Hitchens has noted, for approving Israel’s invasion of Lebanon, which killed about 18,000 civilians.

    Reagan was responsible for his own unilateral invasion of that huge threat to the United States called Grenada. (Oh, the great liberator!)

    Reagan was responsible for inciting a racist backlash. He kicked off his 1980 presidential campaign in–of all places–Philadelphia, Mississippi, where Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner, and James Cheney were murdered in 1964. Reagan also fueled racism with his stories about “welfare queens” and his defense of the apartheid regime of South Africa.

    Reagan was responsible for attacking women’s rights, as he tried to legitimate the backlash against feminism. He appointed the far right justice Antonin Scalia to the Supreme Court, and he loaded the lower court benches with anti-choice ideologues.

    Reagan was responsible for a woeful response to the AIDS epidemic, which needlessly jeopardized the lives of millions of people. He also consorted with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, who called AIDS divine revenge on homosexuals.

    Reagan was responsible for shredding the social contract between labor and management, and he declared open season on trade unions when he fired the air traffic controllers.

    Reagan was responsible for flattening out the progressive income tax and for giving huge tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans and to corporations. His economic policies, as Mark Weisbrot of the Center for Economic Policy and Research has noted, dramatically redistributed income–to the rich.

    Reagan was responsible for hooking millions of people overseas on tobacco, as he turned the Commerce Department into the advance team for Philip Morris and R.J. Reynolds.

    Reagan (“We begin bombing in five minutes”) was responsible for the multi-billion dollar boondoggle that goes by the name of missile defense.

    Reagan was responsible for launching an assault on our environment (remember James Watt!) that is now reaching its apotheosis under George W.”

  • If the Republicans are reaching all the way back to Reagan, they are really desperate. It won’t be long before people are reminded that Reagan was not all about “Mornng in America,” either.

    Since I did not see the debate, I can’t say who did or did not do well – but what I have read of the questions and answers leaves me less than impressed. Romney seems to have been the best prepared – but I would be skeptical of someone who has changed so many of his positions so recently – this is beyond “flip-flop” and in the category of “you tell me what position I need in order to win and that’s what I’ll say.”

    I guess I understand that someone could not believe in evolution, but that person cannot, in my opinion, effectively lead a country where science and technology are not faith-based.

    And what is the deal with Giuliani? He respects a woman’s right to choose but it would be okay to overturn Roe v. Wade? What the heck does that mean?

    Thompson thinks being gay is, in and of itself, a legitimate reason for someone to be fired?

    This is a weak field – really weak. The danger I see is in Democrats not continuing to go full-bore – they need to go forward as if the GOP were putting up the best and strongest field.

  • I thought George W. Bush was actaully Reagan incarnate. At least that is what GOPers, conservatives and the MSM kept telling me from 2000 through 2004 at least.

  • Ohioan

    That is a great list. Thanks. I remember the Reagan presidency, and I despised the man all the way through it. Even though Mondale lost, my favorite presidential vote was the first one I cast, against Reagan.

    I actually think Reagan was stupider than Shrub, believe it or not. However, Reagan didn’t have the alcoholic personality, so he didn’t grate so much, and he was willing to change course a little when things were obviously headed down the toilet.

  • Knowing that I’m a 10th Amendment conservative sitting a a liberal table when I blog here, I’ll mind my manners as to #12, other than to ask the host to please cut him off on the martinis. Blogging drunk is never a good idea. Anyhow, the real story of the debate is the absolute, utter ineptitude of Chris Matthews, whom I will now refer to as “Captain Obvious.” It doesn’t matter the party of the debate: getting ten presidential candidates into a room to debate for ninety minutes is a big, big deal. The thirty percent of our nation that actually chooses to inform themselves on the affairs of our nation, liberal and conservative, is paying close attention. Asking utterly asinine questions like “what do you dislike the most about america?’ or “is it a good thing to have bill clinton back in the white house?” is an utter waste of time. I was fully expecting Matthews, towards the end of the debate, to ask the candidates if they like cute little kitty cats, ice cream cones, and sunshine. Maybe Matthews, being a documented Democrat, was puposely just burning minutes to keep any of the candidates from having enough time to make any meaningful statement regarding their viewpoints on the substantial issues. I would be just as angry at any journalist who did the same to ten democratic candidates- I want to hear what they have to say as well. Sadly, the last tens years we have witnessed the sliding merge of formerly respectable news institutions into the nitwit tabloidization of the low brow news crowd. Thus our nation cares far more about what Paris Hilton is doing than Condoleeza Rice or Nancy Pelosi. Nero, hand me a fiddle…..

  • “And our motto is, ‘In God we trust.’ This isn’t something that divides. This is something that pulls together and lifts us up. And it’s key, and it’s important. We shouldn’t be trying to run it out of the public square. We should invite it in and celebrate it… ”

    Whatever happened to “E Pluribus Unum”? Wouldn’t “out of many, one” be more of a unifying motto than “In God We Trust”?

    “Last night, the winner was obvious: Ronald Reagan.”
    I didn’t catch the debate, did anyone even mention the current commander guy in the White House

  • Oh, by all means force majure, I’d love to hear your point-by-point rebuttal to Ohioan’s list of facts re the Reagan years’ “accomplishments,” rather than just dismissing them with your rather lame personal attacks.

  • “Maybe Matthews, being a documented Democrat, was puposely just burning minutes to keep any of the candidates from having enough time to make any meaningful statement regarding their viewpoints on the substantial issues.”

    He may be “documented” as a Democrat, but his actions and conduct for many, many years now clearly show he is no longer a Democrat in mind or spirit or deed. And, no, Matthews wasn’t “burning minutes.” Anyone who has bothered to pay attention to him these past years clearly knows he gets and maintians huge man-crushes on tough-talking (and generally do-nothing) politicians and was most likely in awe of what he perceived to be all sorts of manliness there across the floor from him. His only probable disappointment was that none of the candidates were dressed in a flight-suit enhancing their codpieces.

  • bubba wrote: “His only probable disappointment was that none of the candidates were dressed in a flight-suit enhancing their codpieces.”

    Matthews looked so deliriously happy at the end of the debate, I was pretty sure he was in the ‘after glow’. I commented to my girlfriend, “If you could see what he was doing under that podium, you’d be horrified.”

  • My question is: If you were watching this debate from Mars and only listened to the candidates responses, would you know that the current president of the United States is George W. Bush? The answer is no.

    Ten Republican candidates on a stage for 90 minutes and not one of them mentioned the current Republican holder of the office they are running for. Do you think maybe they are afraid to mention his name? Are they perhaps frightened to remind people who the current president is and that they are in the same party? Papa Bush was mentioned once, with both his middle initials so there could be no mistake who was being mentioned, but Baby Bush, never by name. As CB pointed out, Reagan was practically reincarnated, and hell, even Taft got a mention. But, who is the current president?

  • MW wrote: “hell, even Taft got a mention.”

    Yep, with that reference they’ve sewn up the 120-year old demographic.

  • I watched the Republican Presidential Candidates Debate broadcast live from the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif., and was left thinking Newt Gingrich and Fred Thompson came away clear winners.

    That’s right! Gingrich, the former Speaker of the House, and Thompson, the Law and Order star and former U.S. senator from Tennessee, can declare victory simply because both were smart enough to skip the event for two likely reasons:

    First, because it’s taking place far too early to be remembered by voters 9 or more months from now;

    and

    Second, because video clips and sound bites from the event will serve Democrat candidates’ needs more than Republicans, a result of the fact that many of the questions were “loaded” with liberal bias in a variety of ways.

    Speaking of liberal bias, I must share my feelings about MSNBC’s Chris Matthews and his colleagues at the alphabet networks: In short, I’ve never been comfortable with the hiring of former Democrat speech writers and operatives like Matthews, ABC’s George Stephanopolous and NBC’s Tim Russert as news anchors and, in this case, debate moderators.

    Hat’s off to all of the Republican candidates for their self-control in not reaching out to ring the necks of Matthews and his Politico.com pals for conducting themselves the way they did.

    Wrapping up, I want to share my gut-instinct feelings about the ”performances” of all the GOP candidates — all of whom must secretly wish they were Reagan – tonight:

    Sam Brownback: Good guy. Would make a great neighbor.

    Jim Gilmore: Straight-shooter who backs promises.

    Rudy Giuliani: Democrat in a Republican suit that didn’t fit.

    Mike Huckabee: Honest and sincere.

    Duncan Hunter: Tough on border security.

    John McCain: Striving to produce sound bites, appear tough. Didn’t do either well.

    Ron Paul: Most common sense and, at same time, darkest horse running.

    Mitt Romney: Too plastic. Too polished. Looks like Lyle Waggoner of The Carol Burnett Show from the ’70s.

    Tom Tancredo: Independent-minded but flustered by Chris Matthews repeatedly cutting him off.

    Tommy Thompson: Trying hard to appear tough.

    More later. We have miles to go before we vote.

  • A few random observations:

    Guiliani and McCain are easily the scariest of the candidates. My instincts as a psychologist tell me that there is no line they wouldn’t cross in order to get their own way.

    Romney looked very poised and presidential. I thought he did a deft job of deflecting concerns about his Mormonism.

    Guiliani certainly did a lot of stumbling over answers he should have had well-rehearsed, and we were sick to death of hearing about his accomplishments as NYC mayor. There is only a hair’s breadth difference between “talking points” and “broken record”.

    McCain came across as stiff and angry. I, for one, don’t want another petulant angry guy with his finger on the button.

    I must confess that Gilmore is so undistinctive that every time he was talking, I had to ask my husband “who’s that?” That can’t be a good sign.

    Tancredo, for all his creepy wingnut positions, possesses a certain charm that surprised me. (I’ve studiously avoided listening to him in the past.)

  • That whooshing sound heard all over the nation (when every single candidate didn’t raise his hand in affirmation to the evolution question) were the nutjobs forming their own party.

    My biggest fear is that we will soon see a 3rd party to fill the void left by these relatively moderate Republicans, where all sanity is finally distilled out. They will have the guns, the military and the police and would not hesitate to use their weapons to achieve their Dominionist goals.

  • Bubba – 15 syas “I thought George W. Bush was actaully Reagan incarnate.”

    This point was discussed by Thom Hartman the other day. Reagan had a Democratic Congress to check his insanity and didn’t really accomplish what he proposed. Bush, in fact, is a Reagan Republican and he had a rubber stamp Congress for 6 years. We are where we are now because Reagan Republicanism was actually implemented.

    The fact that the GOP still has a bone for Reagan but despises Bush (they love the concept but hate the practice) really sums up the Neo-con mindset.

  • What a shock…

    Moderator: Senator McCain, you said you plan to appoint a Democrat to a major candidate post. Tell us some of the Democrats you’ve got in mind.

    (Laughter)

    We will give you bonus points if you give us a name other than Senator Lieberman.

    McCain: I was going to say, the first three are Joe Lieberman and Joe Lieberman and Joe Lieberman.

    Too bad Lieberman’s not even a Democrat, eh McCrazy?

  • Peggy Noonan is such an idiot:

    “Another way of saying this is that in 1960, John F. Kennedy wasn’t trying to be the next FDR … JFK thought it was good enough to be the best JFK. And the press wasn’t always sitting around saying he was no FDR.”

    No. Bullshit. Why does she think Kennedy’s men called him JFK? And with Arthur Schlesinger on the payroll to pump up the New Deal comparisons.

    She has no specific knowledge of Kennedy’s PR/election strategy. It’s just that she remembers him as Kennedy, a figure with plenty of historically identifying cliches of his own (“Ich bin ein berliner,” bushy haircut, etc) and without a cigarette holder or a wheelchair. So she assumes Kennedy never tried to come on as another FDR. Then she takes her assumtion and pastes in onto the edifying cliche that you shouldn’t try to be somebody else, and she thinks she has made a point.

  • Romney-Huckabee in 2008 – I think that is a good pair of LOSERS to campaign against. A pair of Republican religious whackjobs, and all we have to do is recycle everything Mitt Romney said over the years to play him as Greatest Flip-Flopper Ever.

  • End result: Ten little chickens refuse to pick on each other, knowing that the sky is on the verge of falling down—on them.

    Ohioan, you scare me. Evoking the name of the Great ReaganGod ELEVEN TIMES in a single post? I mean, the list is spot-on, but now I can’t seem to get to sleep. Every time the house makes one of its night-time “creaks,” I imagine that Bonzo’s running through the attic.

    Oh, and to “farce minore,” I suggest you read “Harrison Bergeron” if you’re so worried about America being dumbed down by its MSM. Read it thoroughly—and contemplate the six-year-old grab for complete power by the current administration. With Bu$h and his Reich noise machine in overdrive, you surely jest when you claim to be a Tenth Amendment person. With Bu$h, there ARE no “states’ rights. There is but Bu$h, the whole Bu$h, and nothing but the Bu$h—so help us Bu$h….

  • I loved the question about what taxes they would be eager to cut. It was a typically Chris Matthews “GoofBall” softball type lob he always pitches to Republicans.

    Everyone knows Republicans won’t raise your taxes, just your prices and America’s budget deficits. No wonder the price of gasoline is going through the roof, we have to import oil and we have to pay for it with increasingly worthless dollars, dollars that Republicans want to make even more worthless by continuing to run up the world’s largest budget deficit, while pretending the Iraq war isn’t costing $5 billion per month by keeping its cost “off budget”. If a measure of a country’s power and success is reflected in the soundness of its currency and the state of its finances, then this nation is surely in rapid decline now.

    It would have been far more informative to ask them what they would ask Americans to give up in order for them to give even more tax breaks to those in the upper brackets, thereby keeping the shell game that is Reganomics going. Until Bush 43, Regan held the previous record for the largest budget deficit – so much for fiscal conservatism (or was that Voodo Economics?).

    The first “debate” sounded more like a rehearsals for another
    GW43 re-run (or was that just the line to Disney’s Fantasyland?)

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