We’re not that crazy

Last week, Rasmussen Reports released a poll that quickly worked its way through conservative media outlets, particularly far-right blogs, because it offered proof of just how nutty Bush critics really are. I understand the concerns, but the poll the right is relying on isn’t particularly helpful.

Here’s what Rasmussen found:

Overall, 22% of all voters believe the President knew about the [September 11] attacks in advance. A slightly larger number, 29%, believe the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. White Americans are less likely than others to believe that either the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. Young Americans are more likely than their elders to believe the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance.

I’ll spare you the litany of links — there were a lot — though NRO’s Kathryn Jean Lopez seemed to speak for most conservatives when she described the results with three words: “Depressing, Demoralizing, Demented.”

Indeed, Jonah Goldberg was so taken aback by the Rasmussen poll that he milked it for an entire 750-word LA Times column, in which he cited the data to show that “a majority of Democrats in this country are out of their gourds.”

Not to be outdone, conservative broadcasters have been having a field day with this poll. Bill O’Reilly repeatedly referred to the results as “madness,” and claimed, “Sane people do not make that kind of leap.” Limbaugh said the poll showed that the Democratic Party is “literally a bunch of deranged, delusional radicals.” Michael Medved said the poll “pushes the party to the lunatic fringe.”

If these guys could just take a deep breath for a moment, they’d see how flawed the poll is.

The wording of the poll was certainly open to interpretation. Respondents very well could have been saying that the president was warned about bin Laden and terrorist threats in general shortly before 9/11, but neglected to take them seriously. That, far from some kind of paranoid delusion, is true.

As Media Matters noted:

Indeed, President Bush received a briefing on August 6, 2001, titled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US,” which indicated that Osama bin Laden wanted to conduct terrorist attacks on U.S. cities, that members of his Al Qaeda terrorist network had lived in or traveled to the U.S. for years, that bin Laden had previously said he wanted to hijack an American aircraft, and that “FBI information since that time indicate[d] patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings.” Investigative journalist Ron Suskind wrote in his book The One Percent Doctrine: Deep Inside America’s Pursuit of Its Enemies Since 9/11 (Simon & Schuster, June 2006) that Bush responded to this report by telling his CIA briefer, “All right, you’ve covered your ass.”

Others have also touted this poll but ignored the ambiguity of the question entirely, in some cases misrepresenting the question and responses and ridiculing Democratic voters as delusional conspiracy theorists.

Indeed, 12% of Republicans in the poll said they believe Bush knew about the attacks in advance. Does this mean one in eight self-identified GOP voters are paranoid and delusional when it comes to Bush? Nearly one in five political independents came to the same conclusion. Are they all suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome?

Please. It’s a poorly-worded poll with ambiguous results. Hardly the basis for a conservative media maelstrom.

I knew in advance you would spin it this way.

Which means, of course, that I was in on the planning.

  • You had to know this poll was B.S. You need to stop reading that conservative crap, it rots the brain.

  • “If these guys could just take a deep breath for a moment”

    Why would they start now?

  • Many of us were much less paranoid in 1999 than we are now. Starting with the Supreme Court determining the 2000 election, we have experienced startling news after astounding news about how our government functions. Or doesn’t function.

    If someone told me that the government of the US would know about a catastrophic storm coming and do no preparation, allow citizens to starve to death, I would have said that someone was paranoid.

    If we don’t believe that our government will work in our favor any more, it’s the fault of this incompetent, corrupt administration.

  • The value of Jonah’s insights into the world at large is significantly less than the energy value of his flatulence.

    Having said that, he does have some entertainment value.

    Someday Jonah, mommy (the devil with the tape recorder) will make you a REAL journalist.

  • People are so stupid. And that’s what makes democracy so stupid. That’s why we need to just trust the folks on the far right and kep them eternally in power because they can see through all the crap that the rest of us can’t. Like why we should be spreading democracy all throughout the Middle East because democracy is so …. oh, wait. Please wait while the right wing focus groups a new angle on this.

  • Why would we want to take a deep breath? That’s not what we’re about at all. Keeping the Rubes all hot and bothered is what it’s all about and it ain’t easy keeping those flames fanned all the time.

  • ‘You need to stop reading that conservative crap, it rots the brain.’

    Don’t listen to Rick, ‘bagger…if you stop reading the conservative crap, you won’t report on it. If you don’t report on it then I have to wade through it myself.

    Thank you for your unselfish sacrifice.

  • Example #142 of the problems with polls. Any reporting on any “what people believe” question is inherently flawed without including reference to the large number of beliefs held by large numbers of people based on very light evidence, or no evidence at all. UFOs? Transubstantiation? Saddam being involved in 9/11? Hell, even if every one of those 22 percent really does believe that Bush personally and specifically knew about 9/11 and even if they’re completely wrong about it, we should consider ourselves lucky the number is so few.

  • Hardly the basis for a conservative media maelstrom.

    You expect them to stick to haircuts?

    By the way…

    In the time it took me to type this they spent $30,000 more tax dollars in Iraq.

  • Given the number and level of warnings the President received, and about which Tenet was alleged to have his hair on fire, I don’t think it’s beyond reason for many to conflate “knowing in advance” with “what the president knew before the attacks.”

    We all wish it had never happened, and none of us will ever know how the course of history would have been different if the plan had been disrupted. What we do know is that plenty of people stressed the warnings and the intelligence, and those who might have been able to do something about it brushed it off.

    I guess it’s far easier to continue to deride Democrats as being demented than it is to accept that those whom the right holds in such high esteem failed in their responsibility to the nation.

  • if you’re going to encourage them to take a deep breath, could you also ask that they hold it until they turn blue and pass out?

  • It’s just more mean, rich, white men feigning apoplexy over a faux issue. All that self-righteous indignation could end in their hearts popping inside their gas-bag chests.

  • “It’s a poorly-worded poll with ambiguous results.”

    Which is EXACTLY the basis for a vast assortment of conservative media maelstroms.

  • I guess a lot of Democrats think that “knowing something in advance” includes getting lots of warnings about it from serious people, even if you do blow them off and tell them “fine, you’ve covered your ass now”.

    Silly people.

    We have an AG who doesn’t know if he went to an important meeting last November. A recently deceased president didn’t know if he sold weapons to terrorists or not (he did).

    Knowing stuff is way overrated.

  • re: If these guys could just take a deep breath for a moment, they’d see how flawed the poll is.
    re: Just google this: wtc7 bbc
    Now think about your answer again.

    My question is, where’s the liberal media maelstrom? Why leave it to the so-called fringe lunatics, many of whom do their own investigations and tests? Why continue to rely on a set of people (MSM) who have consistently been wrong about nearly everything? 9/11 foreknowledge is beyond dispute by now. Everyone keeps harping on not having an explicitly worded message telling when and where, but that isn’t the point. The official explanation is discredited! That’s why ordinary citizens (ie: your lunatic fringe) are doing their own investigations! All of them could stop investigating if our country buckled down and re-opened a new 9/11 investigation.

    I know, this topic always generates the most flaming comments, but honestly, ask yourself why no one mentions the gorilla in the living room. Who benefits?

    Being suspicious is healthy in regard to this administration. The conservative media maelstrom is just what it is, a bunch of rightwingers trying to protect their own psyches from the stomach-churning truth of the topic: the official explanation is a lie.

  • Kudos to you boc! Could not have articulated it as well myself.

    Re-investigate 9/11!

  • I would like to know what percentage of Republicans still insist that FDR knew about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor before it happened?

  • Thanks, JKap. It’s a little hard to write in a reasonable tone when the emotion runs high, as it always does with the 9/11 investigation and the snark that ensues. I think that if people focus on making the point that the official explanation holds no water, while ignoring the retorts that demand an opposing explanation and/or theory for the events, we’ll make headway.

    Citizen investigators, in other words, need not supply an alternative theory (ie: where are the missing passengers, what did hit the Pentagon, etc.). Force the powers that be to produce a reasonable report that covers all aspects of the day, and the most common questions anyone can find all over the Web, including the demands of the 9/11 families. They have plenty of unanswered questions, believe me.

    And MW, I think it’s become clear that FDR did have some knowledge about the Japanese fleet approaching Hawaii. I’m new to commenting at C’bagger, so I want to appear to behave. Somehow I find it difficult to rationalize FDR’s allowing Pearl Harbor to happen, if that indeed is the truth. However there is no doubt that false flag operations have occurred: Gulf of Tonkin, the sinking of the Maine. I find it reasonable to look at Pearl Harbor in the same light, and imperative to view 9/11 that way as well.

    The original point centers on the rightwing frothers who refuse to even look at the possibility that some very bad people in our government would agree to kill thousands of people to advance a war agenda. They’re engaged in the side issue of polls. (Anything to distract!) The real issue is finding the truth. I hope that happens in my lifetime.

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