Bush is beyond redemption

Jonah Goldberg devoted the first 700 words of his 800-word column this week to marveling at the rehabilitation of John Ashcroft’s public image in light of James Comey’s recent testimony. (For what it’s worth, I think much of the Ashcroft praise is misplaced for reasons that I explained over the weekend.) The column basically just takes the WaPo’s front-page piece on Ashcroft from a couple of days ago and adds some personal commentary (we learn, for example, that Goldberg’s wife has worked for Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales).

Eventually, however, Goldberg gets to his provocative point.

[H]istory — even freshly minted history — has a remarkable way of erasing conventional wisdom. If in 2002 I had written that by 2007 Democrats would be singing Ashcroft’s praises as a man of integrity and sound temperament, I would have been laughed out of the room. Right now, predicting a rehabilitation of George W. Bush elicits similar guffaws from the crowd. But the fact is if Ashcroft can be rehabilitated, anyone can.

It’s generally foolish to predict how future political observers will look back at contemporary events, but on this one I feel pretty confident: Jonah, it ain’t gonna happen.

Ashcroft’s image has received a boost over the last week because the public learned something about his decision making that was unexpected, and played against type. Can Bush say the same?

In a confrontation with the Bush White House’s play for power, Ashcroft, at least in this one instance, supported the rule of law. Bush was the one responsible for the decision to ignore the rule of law. If the various media accounts are accurate, Ashcroft signed off on a legally dubious surveillance program repeatedly, but accepted reality once confronted with the facts. Bush never saw and/or never cared about the facts, and resisted reality at every turn.

When push came to shove on this one issue, Ashcroft was willing to buck the president’s wishes. There’s no real comparison here to Bush, who rarely disagrees with his own wishes.

“If Ashcroft can be rehabilitated, anyone can”? Almost anyone. In order for Bush’s standing and reputation to improve, we’d have to learn that he strongly and forcefully opposed all of his own decisions, policies, and self-created scandals. That somehow, the president was captive to his own team, which forced him to repeatedly make choices that not only didn’t work, but ultimately undermined the country.

In other words, for Bush to look better, we’d have to believe that he opposed himself at every step of his failed presidency. Somehow, that doesn’t strike me as likely.

Predicting that Goldberg will be laughed out of the room seems like a pretty safe bet…

  • this is typical of jonah’s ratiocinative process, such as it is: the analogy that fails the first test of analogies (that is, the things being analogized must be analogous); the speculative notion about the future, by which point jonah will have forgotten he wrote such a thing; the empty chaff filling the column inches.

    in the real world, most people didn’t have an opinion about john ashcroft one way or another. in this world, it’s a pleasing thing that ashcroft showed a shred of integrity, since that is a characteristic completely absent from the bush regime.

    among those who do know about ashcroft, we already knew most of this story, and what it told us is that ashcroft was one of a handful of honest conservatives still around. it didn’t make him a hero.

    but jonah has a column to fill, and no intellectual capacity with which to create intelligent content, so he produces piffle instead.

  • I think Goldberg is hoping his image can be rehabilitated.

    Maybe he should join the Army and help fight the war he’s been pimping all this time.

  • http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003242.php

    “Up until this moment, Ashcroft had been signing off on the program every 45 days. That means his signature was last required in late January, shortly after Comey assumed his post, and perhaps even before he’d been authorized access to the program. Suddenly, the March 11 date comes into clearer focus. For the first time, trained and qualified attorneys within the Justice Department had conducted a careful review of the program. Comey took the evidence he had gathered to Ashcroft, as he testified on Tuesday: “A week before that March 11th deadline, I had a private meeting with the attorney general for an hour, just the two of us, and I laid out for him what we had learned and what our analysis was in this particular matter.” By the end of that meeting, Ashcroft and Comey had “agreed on a course of action,” to wit, that they “would not certify the program as to its legality.”

    Bold added by me.

    Anyway, it appears that Ashcroft signed off on something that he was later willing to resign over. If true, then Ashcroft was not the most competent of AGs.

  • Bloggers do all day what it takes columnist a week to do.

    I doubt that Bush even knows he’s such a shitheel. He hasn’t grown up. He’s still in his sychophancy.

  • I think we can predict there will be a vigorous attempt on the part of wingnut historians to rehabilitate Dubya as the years go by and memories fade. It’ll involve some fairly imaginative dishonesty mixed with standard dolchstosslegende, but it’ll be an absolute necessity to undertake as the stench from this administration will permeate GOP presidential candidates for years to come. Unless they can make Bush II seem like something other than a total catastrophe, it’ll be impossible for republicans to win the oval office again for many years.

  • Jonah is correct, if by “rehabilitation” you mean changing the perceptions from being a 2 ton radioactive dung heap oozing toward your house to a 250 pound dung heap just stinkin’ up the place. Congrats, Johnny A.

    It’s all in the comparisons

    Bush? Well, unless he surrenders the family fortunes to the families of fallen vets and to wounded vets, then surrenders himself, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, & Pearle to the Hague with a full War-Criminal confessions, I don’t think he will achieve dung status.

  • The only way that history will view Bush as a success is if Bush really is a jihadist plant set on bringing down the US and installing a Muslim Caliphate. In light of all the aid and comfort Bush has provided, Bin Laden’s grandson may believe Bush is the best president ever. Barring that, I believe Bush is firmly entrenched as the “Worst. President. Ever.”

  • What would it take to redeem Bush in the eyes of history? Maybe we’ll hear Oval Office tape recordings that show Bush has been actively involved in counter-terrorism, Jack Bauer style. He’s literally one step ahead of the terrorists, moving so fast he can’t hesitate to explain it to us. But in the future, it will all be put in perspective.

    Theoretically, anyway. Secret recordings would be one way to re-frame Bush’s actions from horrible to heroic.

  • It’s totally a misconstruction to call this a rehabilitation. It’s taking it out of context. It’s not a general, across-the-board rehabilitation Ashcroft received, as if nothing ever happened that he did wrong, it’s just that we learned of a specific instance where he did something right apparently, and we were glad about that, not about him in regard to everything he’s ever done. People are complicated and we should be able to continue to be strongly opposed to someone even if they happened to fail to disappoint us once or twice. It’s not surprising that Ashcroft is not a paragon of horror- no one’s perfect, even in being a jackass.

  • Jonah Goldberg is probably still pissed off that people called him out on that bullshit prediction/bet he had two years ago.

  • What’s Grumpy smoking?
    “He’s literally one step ahead of the terrorists, moving so fast he can’t hesitate to explain it to us. But in the future, it will all be put in perspective.”
    And he has all the tools to do this at the same time that he’s clearing brush while on his many vacations.
    Bush only pauses for the monkeys to fly out of his butt.
    In theory, of course.

  • I will agree that Bu$h can be “rehabilitated.” It requires three things, in specific order:

    1.) Bu$h must be removed from office. Whether voluntarily, by compulsory design of the Congress or the People, or by military coup, it matters not. He must be removed from power

    2.) Bu$h must be tried in a public court—preferably, an international court—and summarily punished for his myriad crimes against the Constitution, the People, the Republic, and the world-at-large.

    3.) Bu$h must either die in prison, or be placed in permanent exile to the point that he can never be a threat to the world again.

    As for the other members of his political cartel? Imprisonment will work, if—and only if—the fellow conspirators are placed in separate facilities. No attempted rescue will work if they’re kept miles and miles apart, with no means of shared communications…..

  • The Ashcroft account that Comey told was remarkable for the fact that there is one time when Ashcroft seemed to not be as absolutely horrible as we all envisioned him to be. Ashcroft had a wingnuttiness limit where he said “Even I can’t go that far away from normal human decency.” Hooray! An evil man did one thing right.

    But with Bush I think we will see the exact opposite. Instead of redemptive annecdotes, the future will be flooded with personal accounts of just how bad Bush was that we weren’t privy to before. Bush will never be redeemed, at least by the vast majority of humanity. He’ll be pilloried even worse than he is now. The whole damning truth about Bush has yet to come out. Think US Attorneygate on steroids.

  • Ashcroft has been rehabilitated (if that’s the right term) because of something he did, not because liberals began to see his overall record in a different light. I could imagine Bush being rehabilitated, but it would require him to, as you say, play against type – admit error over Iraq and begin the pullout, for example, or undergo a Nixon-goes-to-China conversion on environmentalism and climate change.

  • I kin go aginst type. What’s the matter with you people? Fredo just gave you a sterling example in the other thread. I didn’t want no stinkin’ beans in my chili, but I had them anyway.

  • It seems incredible, but the more we learn about Bush and his Bushites, the worse it all gets. They try to hide all the bad stuff (they can’t release it all on Friday afternoon), but when a little drama like the Ashcroft bedside scene comes out it’s creepy beyond imagination. Rehabilitation will not be a consideration – years of “inside” exposes have already begun.

  • I said “theoretically,” Buzz.

    Somewhere in the hidden corners of what we don’t know about this administration, there could potentially be that fragment that puts Bush in a good light. I don’t know what that fragment would look like, and I’m not sure the hidden corners are big enough to conceal something which would have to be enormous in order to redeem this guy. But it could be there.

    Like, he could be an extraterrestrial, manipulating humanity for some inscrutable higher good.

    I’m not smoking anything. I just have a fertile imagination.

  • BuzzMon, I think Grumpy was just giving an example about Bush being rehabilitated IF it turned out he was acting in Jack-Bauer-style all along.

    I don’t think Grumpy, or anyone else on this blog, thinks that Bush could ever be seen as anything other than “The worst, etc”

  • What’s truly frightening is that, those still loyal to this regime are SO loyal, there really will be people, long after we all shuffle off this mortal coil, trying to argue what a great President Dubya was. Just like Holocaust deniers, there will always a be a presence of people who should know better, but refuse to. They will try to include glowing references to Dubyea in our children’s history books. They will try to invent legend about his steely command and his strength of character. They will continue to demonize the Democrats as an enemy as dangerous and as lethal as the terrorists we purport to fight. There will be motions in Congress to get his birthday be declared a national holiday, to get him on a stamp before he’s dead, to fly flags at half-mast when his allergies act up, to treat him with a dignity and respect that the job of President used to command until he effed it all up, to lionize him, canonize him, treat him as a hero…and until the day the world finally gives up on us as a race and lets us go…

    It

    Will

    Never

    EVER

    End.

    Gof, if You’re there, please have mercy on those of us who tried to do the right thing and failed in the face of insurmountable stupidity. I know, We’re ALL your children, but wow, some of them really could’ve used a few more minutes in the oven for our brain batter to rise.

  • Maybe he should join the Army and help fight the war he’s been pimping all this time.

    By his own admission back in 2004, Jonah is too fat, too myopic, too old and too cowardly to do such a thing.

    And besides – in his own words – “I couldn’t afford to support my wife and two kids on what the Army pays.” I’m not kidding, he really said that – tell it to the Guard and the Reserves who get called up and have their lives fucked up, you little proof of where the four-letter slur that starts with “k” and ends with “e” came from.

  • Jonah, you’re still laughed out of the room. Consider this:

    Bush has Ashcroft arrest a suspected terrorist with no evidence and without a warrant. Ashcroft does. Bush asks Ashcroft to torture him for information. Ashcroft does. Turns out the man is innocent but is now near death. Bush asks Ashcroft to march him down to the shooting wall. Ashcroft does. Bush puts a gun into Ashcroft’s hand and tells him to shoot the prisoner. Ashcroft refuses and walks off hearing the gunshot behind him as he leaves. He never says a word about it. Later the story is told and Ashcroft is lauded as a hero for not shooting the man. Jonah stands up and says, ” you see, I knew you would be singing his praises and one day you’ll be singing Bush’s praises too.” You see why we are laughing at you Jonah?

  • Tom, I was with you til your “kike” comment. If you’re gonna hint at it, you might as well spell it out in it’s full glory.

    Please let me remind you that probably 100 times as many “kikes” are for OUR side than for other side.

    I would hope you’re a bigger man than to stoop to such racial slurs on ANYBODY.

    phoebes (a kike)

  • Bush is just like Ghandi. People are always spinning things for him.

  • Yet another flatulent forecast from a typical gasbag. Mr. Goldberg is a prisoner of a sulfurous mind! -Kevo

  • Historians are often able to correct the CW once they have access to private papers and correspondence. However, Bush and his inner circle seem determined to keep secret, hide, erase and bury the record. TurdBlossom’s role, in no small part, will never be fully understood given that 95% of his communication was conducted on private email accounts and deleted from hosting servers. Same with how many others? Perhaps even Bush himself?

    The record will reveal how the Bush administration edited absolutely everything that did not fit their political agenda, essentially corrupting the everything it came into contact with.

    Bush’s Half Billion Dollar Whitewash may put a coat of paint over the Bush shitpile; other than that the Bush Legacy will reveal a half-bright guy in way over his head and that in the long run IT DOES MATTER who we nominate and who we elect.

    Jonah and his ilk deserve alot of the credit for the Story yet to be written.

  • Well, if acknowleging that there finally turned out to be a thing so low that even John Ashcroft would not sink to doing it (albeit while heavily sedated) qualified as singing the man’s praises, then I guess I would be guilty as charged and perhaps Jonah’s reputation as the biggest Dunce in The Corner would be undeserved.

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