Sam Brownback explains why he doesn’t care for science

About a month ago, in what turned out to be one of the more memorable moments of the Republican presidential debate, the candidates were asked a straightforward question: “Is there anybody on the stage that does not believe in evolution?”

Mike Huckabee, Tom Tancredo, and Sam Brownback raised their hands to express their disagreement with modern biology. Today, Brownback has an op-ed in the NYT explaining why.

The premise behind the question seems to be that if one does not unhesitatingly assert belief in evolution, then one must necessarily believe that God created the world and everything in it in six 24-hour days. But limiting this question to a stark choice between evolution and creationism does a disservice to the complexity of the interaction between science, faith and reason.

Brownback is playing a little game here, but he’s not playing it well. He’s applying his own underlying premise to a basic question that included no nuance — either someone accepts evolutionary biology or they don’t. Either they embrace descent with modification (bolstered by all of modern science) or they embrace something else (bolstered by no evidence at all). Brownback answered the question by raising his hand against biology. It’s too late to add distinctions that don’t exist.

The question of evolution goes to the heart of this issue. If belief in evolution means simply assenting to microevolution, small changes over time within a species, I am happy to say, as I have in the past, that I believe it to be true. If, on the other hand, it means assenting to an exclusively materialistic, deterministic vision of the world that holds no place for a guiding intelligence, then I reject it.

This is classic creationist doublespeak. Every fundamentalist who hesitates to embrace a 6,000-year-old earth says he or she is willing to accept “microevolution” (changes within a species), but not “macroevolution” (evolution that leads to new species). Why is Brownback willing to believe in one and not the other? He doesn’t really say; he’s just woried about a science that might upset his religious beliefs.

The most passionate advocates of evolutionary theory offer a vision of man as a kind of historical accident. That being the case, many believers — myself included — reject arguments for evolution that dismiss the possibility of divine causality.

This is more a political argument than a scientific one. Brownback doesn’t like evolution because some biologists aren’t theists? Please.

While no stone should be left unturned in seeking to discover the nature of man’s origins, we can say with conviction that we know with certainty at least part of the outcome. Man was not an accident and reflects an image and likeness unique in the created order. Those aspects of evolutionary theory compatible with this truth are a welcome addition to human knowledge. Aspects of these theories that undermine this truth, however, should be firmly rejected as an atheistic theology posing as science.

Without hesitation, I am happy to raise my hand to that.

How odd. We must consider all of the evidence with an open mind, Brownback says, just so long as the evidence doesn’t conflict with any of his religious beliefs.

The entire column is surprisingly incoherent — not just because Brownback accepts some form of creationism, but also because Brownback can’t explain what he actually believes. No one can read his piece and come away with any real understanding of exactly what the senator thinks about modern biology, other than his desire to see his theological beliefs “complement” science.

I read the piece several times and have no idea what Brownback is even trying to say. Evolution is fine, accept when it’s not. Science and religion can supplement one another, except when they can’t. Species can evolve, except when they don’t. Evidence is key, except when it’s not. Facts should speak for themselves, except when when we don’t like what they’re saying.

What’s the point of even writing a column like this? One suspects Brownback knows he looked foolish for raising his hand at the debate, so he’s trying to bolster his intellectual street cred by appearing in the New York Times writing about “microevolution.” At the same time, Brownback can’t reverse course completely and endorse biology, because the Dobson crowd will have a fit.

So, we’re left with a garbled mess. Senator, if you’re reading, ’tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, then speak and remove all doubt.

For more, Pharyngula rips Brownback’s piece to shreds from a more scientific perspective. Take a look.

One very simple question for Brownback or any other “microevolutionist”:

How many small changes add up to a new species? if there are 100 small differences over a period of time, is the species definitively still the same? 1000? 10,000?

The reality: there is no separate microevolution. Microevolution is merely a snapshot of plain old scientifically established evolution.

  • Either you are with the Creationists, or you are with the Terrorists. I can only conclude this mealy-mouthed pussy is with the terrorists. Get a rope.

  • “Man was not an accident and reflects an image and likeness unique in the created order. Those aspects of evolutionary theory compatible with this truth are a welcome addition to human knowledge.”

    So Brownback’s view of the scientific method is to accept those facts which he likes and ignore those he dislikes? I hardly thought someone could exist who was more fucking ignorant of science than Bush, but here he is.

    “But limiting this question to a stark choice between evolution and creationism does a disservice to the complexity of the interaction between science, faith and reason.”

    What an asshole. There is no interaction between science and faith. Most scientists who have some religious belief acknowledge that science deals with observable, testable reality, and faith deals with answering those questions about existence that cannot be measured empirically. The moment a belief becomes testable and falsifiable, it falls outside the scope of ‘faith’.

    This man scares me with his stunningly ignorant view of the world. His tunnel vision reminds me of an interview I once saw years ago with one of the religious fundamentalists in Pakistan, who proudly proclaimed that God had given them nuclear weapons (ignoring the fact that God had given many more nuclear weapons of much better quality to many, many other countries long before Pakistan).

  • “The most passionate advocates of evolutionary theory offer a vision of man as a kind of historical accident. That being the case, many believers — myself included — reject arguments for evolution that dismiss the possibility of divine causality.” — Sen. Brownback

    Senator,

    The most passionate advocates of religion offer a vision of the world that rejects all scientific knowledge and hope for prgress for the human race. Therefore, should any one who believes in science and progress reject all religion? Certainly that is not the view of many scientists, not even a majority of scientists. All you are doing is showing the foolishness and down right stupidity of basing any rational debate on the most extreme positions of a few.

  • Senator Brownback: which “Word of God” do you believe in? The plagiarized Chaldean creation myth appropriated by the Jews when they were desperate to turn their oral tradition religion into a written one that might survive the Babylonian captivity? The Word of God written by the “church fathers” who decided being the golden boys of the Roman Emperor was a prize worth a little fiddling with the facts in their religion? The King James Version which is known to be the most inaccurate version of all?

    BTW: have you ever thought that the sin of “hubris,” that a man can know what a god thinks, might apply to you?

    As we know, you fundamentalist morons all come down on believing in the stupidest version (King James), which is entirely in character with being stupid (and wrong) about everything else.

    Actually, fools like you and the rest prove that there are in fact two species of homo on the planet: homo sapiens (us) and homo sap (you).

    Back to the tent and the sawdust and the snake charmers with the lot of you halfwits.

  • Many, if not all, creationist arguments I have heard attempt to make the evolution/creationism “debate” a zero sum one. Then they poke holes in evolution and, lo and behold, the only answer left is creationism. I expect this kind of thing from a Righty blogger but it is sad to see a major Presidential candidate doing it.

  • Brownback must be one of those cafeteria Catholics, since he’s substituting his own judgment on the question of evolution above the Pope’s, who said it’s all fine.

    Sounds like the problem is Brownback has bought into the idea of “evolution” as a religion. Thus, when someone says “Do you believe…?” he’s gotta say, “No.”

    Also, he rejects science. Being from Kansas, and all.

  • To be fair to Brownback, which I do merely as an intellectual exercise, the question is inane in itself and Fox really shouldn’t have asked it in that way.

    Nobody “believes” in evolution who is not an idiot. One accepts the idea that evolution is the most logical course that the development of species could have taken given what evidence we have at the time. The idea that science in any way requires belief or faith is to belittle the human mind.

    Creationism requires belief, evolution requires objective reasoning. The advantage to reasoning is that it can be modified as further evidence is accumulated.

  • gg wrote: I once saw years ago with one of the religious fundamentalists in Pakistan, who proudly proclaimed that God had given them nuclear weapons (ignoring the fact that God had given many more nuclear weapons of much better quality to many, many other countries long before Pakistan).

    That God is sure a funny guy, isn’t he? He must be fucking with Delay too. “Hey Tom, it’s God. Thanks for getting off the sauce and not screwing around on your wife anymore. Why don’t you start a website and raise a bunch of money with all your free time?”

    Umm, yea, right.

  • It looks like Brownback also writes copy for the Creation Museum:

    Note what awaits you in the Bible Authority Room:

    “The Bible is true. No doubt about it! Paul explains God’s authoritative Word, and everyone who rejects His history-including six-day creation and Noah’s Flood-is ‘willfully’ ignorant.”

  • Swan (#3), thanks for the link. Interesting.

    From the Creation Museum website:

    “God’s Word is true, or evolution is true. No millions of years. There’s no room for compromise.”

    There you have it, Bro. Brownback. Which side are you on?

  • Swan, Thanks for the laugh. I clicked on #10 on the Sheeple walk through you linked to and read “listen to the waterfalls and children playing with dinosaurs”. I had to get up because I was laughing so hard. No wonder the rest of the world is starting to consider the US irrelevant. Brownstain, who proudly claims to have put Alito up for the Supreme Court, should quit “posing” as a politician. Maybe next week, Brownstain will tackle that aberration referred to as gravity with another meaningful explanation. I’m sure that we can also count on Brownstain explaining why Shrub had to go to the G8 next week and fight any movement to address global warming because it is pointless since the faith-based sheeple will be raptured away.

    I strongly urge these faith-based idiots to test their faith and get a preview of rapture. Since God and their faith will protect them, put a large caliber handgun or preferably a shotgun in their mouth and pull the trigger. Remember, get your whole head in front of the shotgun. With every bang, the average intelligence in the US will go up.

  • “a stark choice between evolution and creationism”

    For f*ck sake. What a ridiculous, hypocritical strawman. Who, apart from the Christo-Taliban, give people this stark choice?

    Scientists care only that creationism is not considered science. It’s really not asking very much.

  • Brownback is just trying not to look like a fool while also trying not to upset his Religious supporters who donate generously to his campaign. The “right ” may still be appeased but the thinking community is just shaking their head.

    All nonsense aside, what Brownback is groping for is called “the missing link” in the evolutionary trail from ape to man. This is where one can interject a “divine intervention” to influence the evolution to modern man without upsetting natural selection or order. Still, this premise is unacceptable to Brownback’s relegious base.
    No matter how it is phrased, Brownback puts faith over reason, emotion above logic, theology over law, the bible above the constitution which is unhealthy in a democracy ( i.e., what if it was the Koran over the constitution- Christians would be rabid

  • Why does Brownback believe in microevolution and not in macroevolution? Because his pastor told him to, that’s why.

    With evolution, there is no “belief”. Either you understand and accept the evidence or you don’t.

    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

    And “atheistic theology”? What the hell is that? Atheism, BY DEFINITION, is a lack of belief in gods/mysticism/insert_whatever_you_believe.

  • This is a test of America’s interest in any form of technical literacy. Do we go down the path of dumbing down science and technology and math….or do we vote against these types of people?

  • Brownback is simply fishing for votes from all sides of the debate. He wants to appear reasonable for the reality-based group, but ignorant for the ….ignorant group.

    His own beliefs are irrelevant, even to himself. He wants votes and will say whatever it takes to get them. That’s the only bottom line that matters to him.

  • Has anyone else noticed that those most against evolution are the most in favor of our science that kills people? You know Sam thanks god everynight that we have nuculear weopans to kill non-christians. You don’t believe in science Sam – have you ever had an illness that requried treatment from medical science? Do you drive a car? How about airplanes? Do you fly or is that the product of that devil science stuff? How do heat your house? Do you use a computer? Many relgious faiths say you cannot believe ala carte – you have to accept the entirity of their teachings. Well, science is the same way. You can’t say penicilin is right and evolution is wrong. That God wants us to have the internal combustion engine but he doesn’t want us to know how life is formed. We are a nation that revels in our ignorance and we are infected by politicians who feed off of that ignorance like a disease.

  • Senator Sam Brownback’s voting record on science and medical research issues can be found at: Senator Sam Brownback’s Voting Record

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  • “Why does Brownback believe in microevolution and not in macroevolution? Because his pastor told him to, that’s why.”

    Actually, that’s extremely unlikely. Brownback converted from evangelical Christianity to Catholicism in 2002. His Catholic pastor surely did not tell him he must not believe in macroevolution. The Catholic Church has no doctrinal position on evolution and no requirement of belief on the subject. That stuff Brownback was spouting in the beginning about faith, reason and science is the Catholic theology, the upshot of which is that the Catholic Church teaches that the understanding of the material world, including evolution, is best left to scientists. If you, notice he even says faith ‘supplements’ science, rather than the other way around. That is the contemporary Catholic view.

    There is a simpler political explanation for Brownback’s micro/macro boner that was identified by other commenters: he wants the vote of the evangelical Republican base. Brownback used to be an evangelical and these people were his supporters. Consequently, he produced this strange brew of rationalism and stupidism that says nothing at all about his real beliefs other than that he will say whatever he thinks will win him elections.

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