They’re sticking with the Korea model

On Wednesday morning, Tony Snow alluded to the “Korea model” to highlight the president’s vision for a long-term U.S. presence in Iraq. “The Korean model is one in which the United States provides a security presence, but you’ve had the development of a successful democracy in South Korea over a period of years, and, therefore, the United States is there as a force of stability,” Snow told reporters.

I thought it was possibly just some kind of rhetorical trial balloon. Occasionally, the Bush gang will think up some new sales pitch, try it out, and wait to see if anyone buys it. If there’s a strong, visceral reaction, they drop it. If not, it enters the White House lexicon.

The “Korea model” seemed just crazy enough to be one of those trial balloons that gets quickly shot down. Not only does the comparison not make any sense, but it suggests to the nation that U.S. troops are going to be in Iraq for the next five decades, with tens of thousands of troops remaining through the year 2057 and beyond.

Surely, the administration would quickly drop this talking point, right? Wrong.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and a senior U.S. commander said yesterday that they favor a protracted U.S. troop presence in Iraq along the lines of the military stabilization force in South Korea.

Gates told reporters in Hawaii that he is thinking of “a mutual agreement” with Iraq in which “some force of Americans . . . is present for a protracted period of time, but in ways that are protective of the sovereignty of the host government.” Gates said such a long-term U.S. presence would assure allies in the Middle East that the United States will not withdraw from Iraq as it did from Vietnam, “lock, stock and barrel.”

[Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, who oversees daily military operations in Iraq,] said he sees benefits in maintaining a South Korean-style force in Iraq for years. “I think it’s a great idea,” he said, adding that the Iraqi and U.S. governments would have to make that decision.

So, an Iraqi insurgency predicated in part on the idea that the United States has a long-term occupation-like presence in mind is effectively hearing from the Bush administration, “Yep, our troops will be sticking around for the better part of the 21st century.” The notion of a permanent military presence fuels violence in the region — and this talk certainly won’t help.

As for the historical comparison itself, just in case anyone still has any doubt over how absurd it is, Fred Kaplan sets the record straight.

In 1950, the United States beat back North Korea’s invasion of South Korea, became embroiled in a Chinese-assisted guerrilla war, fought the Communists to a stalemate, and, in 1953, after suffering 54,000 combat deaths, negotiated a truce (but not a formal peace). Ever since, American troops — at present, 37,000 of them, stationed at 95 installations across the Korean peninsula — have remained on guard at the world’s most heavily armed border.

In 2003, the United States invaded Iraq, overthrew its regime (which posed a hypothetical threat), and, in the four years since, has kept about 150,000 troops in the country to kill terrorists (who weren’t in Iraq before the war), to train the Iraqi army (which the Bush administration, for still-mysterious reasons, dismantled at the occupation’s outset), and to keep a “low-grade” sectarian civil war (which erupted amid a vacuum of authority) from boiling over.

In the half-century-plus since the Korean armistice of 1953, just 90 U.S. soldiers have been killed in isolated border clashes in Korea. In the mere four years since the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003, more than 3,000 American servicemen and women have been killed, and the number rises every day.

To sum up, we intervened in South Korea as a response to an invasion and as part of a broad strategy to contain Communist aggression. We intervened in Iraq as the instigator of an invasion and as part of a broad strategy to expand unilateral American power. We remained in South Korea to protect a solid (if, for many years, authoritarian) government from another border incursion. We are remaining in Iraq to bolster a flimsy government and stave off a violent social implosion.

In other words, in no meaningful way are these two wars, or these two countries, remotely similar. In no way does one experience, or set of lessons, shed light on the other. In Iraq, no border divides friend from foe; no clear concept defines who is friend and foe. To say that Iraq might follow “a Korean model” — if the word model means anything — is absurd.

I know the White House still hopes to rally some semblance of public support by creating some kind of historical parallel, but Korea isn’t it. It’s bad politics, it’s bad history, it’s bad rhetoric — and it’s a good opportunity for Dems to tell the nation, “We want the troops out within a year, but Bush and his Republican allies have a 50-year plan in mind.”

Does Bush’s Korea model include his appointment for life as our Great Leader ? That’s the only way Bush will be able to impose his unpopular lame-duck will on the future of Iraq.

  • Is the Korea model really something that should be flaunted as a success? To me it seems like the remnant of a failed policy. Is this really something that our country should be looking to replicate? I would bet dollars to donuts that those who put the US troops in place in Korea back in the 50s never really held the belief that those troops would remain in Korea 50+ years (and counting) later.

  • Well, all the more reason to make sure the president’s vision is effectively extinguished in November, 2008, by electing a Democrat who can see this “vision” for the folly it is.

    And I would be very interested in hearing what the Iraqi government thinks about this plan for their future. And maybe we can hear a little something about the gargantuan embassy compound being planned.

    You don’t suppose…well, I’ll throw it out there…is it possible that this is all being floated as a way to get the Iraqis to order us out of the country, so that Bush can shrug his shoulders and declare victory?

  • If I am not mistaken, the “Korean Model” actually planned for the necessary funds to operate in Korea and these costs were included in the annual budget signed by the President and Congress. The “Korean Model” did not require a series of supplemental funding bills to provide for “unforseen” emergency funds two or three times a year. If they want to play in Iraq for the next 50 years, they sure as hell better budget for it.

  • “And I would be very interested in hearing what the Iraqi government thinks about this plan for their future.”

    I would also be very interested in hearing what the GOP presidential candidates formally think about this plan.

  • It’s amazing to me that our populace, and especially the Fourth Estate, aren’t going nuts over this. I mean, we’ve been told continually that we would leave once the ‘Iraqis have a stable, democratic government that can rule on its own,’ a time period that has never been solidified (by design), but one that suggested a footprint at least for a couple of years after the fall of Saddam. Now, we’re in our fourth year, and we’re being told, “well, you know, we think we should stay in Iraq on the model of S. Korea.” And now ‘Commanders on the ground’ (which many appear to forget are those who agree with Bush on everything [and thus are no real, objective voice]) are saying that’s just a great idea.

    The goal line is one with wheels on it–it just keeps moving. Now, it appears by most honest accounts that this very result was the goal all along with BushCo, that the real reason for invading and occupying was not because of WMD, or because Saddam was a bad guy, or because he was cooperating with Al Qaeda. No. Those were (as most of us knew) false rationales, all of them. They wanted a permanent footprint in Iraq–THAT was their original goal. And here we are.

    Are we going to let them get away with this? Looks like we will. Looks like we have no choice. And that is not America.

  • Maybe that’s why the new US embassy in Iraq is the “size of 80 football fields” and is costing nearly $600M.

  • With troop deaths hitting records, we’re definitely using the Viet Nam model. Given the stupidity of our leaders, the Gallipoli model comes to mind as well.

    The Korea model has bad juju. North Korea has nukes. Do we stay there until some Islamist faction goes to the lengths of securing nuclear weapons? The length of that conflict also turned a backwater region that threatened to turn communist into the looniest rogue nation on the planet, excepting our own. I don’t see how some protracted and rancorous eternal standoff is view as a positive example to emulate.

  • From yesterday’s CB post “He’s still in the bunker” :

    “Friends of his (Bush) from Texas were shocked recently to find him nearly wild-eyed, thumping himself on the chest three times while he repeated “I am the president!” He also made it clear he was setting Iraq up so his successor could not get out of ‘our country’s destiny’.”

    Right now we are building the largest U.S. embassy in the world – in Baghdad. (The classified plans for it were discovered yesterday posted on the internet! But that’s another story.) Some of us have been wondering why we would need such a huge embassy in Iraq, when the plan formerly “articulated” by Bush was “When they stand up, we’ll stand down.”

    Now it appears that a permanent military presence in Iraq was the real plan from the beginning. But they ran into more problems than they anticipated (many of them due to their own stupidity and incompetence), and now the clock is running out on the Bush administration. This would be why they are laying groundwork now for locking us into Iraq forever, even if Bush’s successor is an anti-war Democrat.

    Only Congress can stop this madness. They can cut off the money, or they can impeach Bush and Cheney. I doubt that they have the guts to do either one.

  • I know… Let’s ask the American people if they would support the idea of staying in Iraq for another five years, much less fifty.

    The congressional republicans are crazy, but they’re not stupid (not all of them anyway). Unless Bush can figure out a way to suspend the constitution with a Democratically controlled congress, he will be shoved under the bus very soon, by a bunch of terrified Republicans.

    IF we get some Democrats to stand up and do what we hired them to do, the American people will not accept that sacrifice, and they will obliterate the Republican party in 2008. If our Dem “leaders” wait to do anything serious until after the Republicans move to stop the war, then we lose the moral authority on this issue.

    But maybe the two party system is supposed to stay at parity. I know a lot of corporations like it that way.

  • It’s so farcical it’s demeaning to respond. Nevertheless, it’s also yet another opportunity to drive home some basic truths.

    1. In South Korea the US intervened in response to an invasion. In Iraq the US is the invasion.

    2. Korea is a peninsula with a narrow border of a few hundred miles. Iraq is a land-locked country with a border of several thousand miles surrounded by six independent states of varying allegiances.

    Isn’t that enough to prick such a ridiculous balloon?

  • More unmitigated imperialistic propaganda from the Bush Brownshirt cabal.

    Impeachment of the true 9/11 hijackers of democracy is now the only avenue for the redress of the grievances of the American people. Support House Resolution 333

  • The “model” is obviously absurd, and of course the administration is using it to justify doing precisely the wrong thing, and even by enunciating the “model” we are sending a terrible message. Welcome to another day of the Bush administration.

    The good news (if there is any) is that the historical analogy is so stupid and so inappropriate that those willing to accept it (like cable news bobbleheads) aren’t likely to hang on to it for any length of time. It’s just another idiotic thing for them to babble about for awhile.

  • Maybe the so-called Korean Model isn’t getting a lot of negative press because so many Americans can’t tell you why the Korean War was fought as well as the reasons for US military presence today. Hell, many can’t tell you where North and South Korea are, let alone name a Korean city.

    Couldn’t they have used the Japan Model or the Germany Model? Perhaps we should sit down with Russia or China and divide up various third world nations. Then AEI and Fukuyama can explain via bullshit theses why this is viable and best for the world.

    Personally, I feel this was Bush’s (Cheney’s) plan from the start: permanent US military bases in Iraq, to “safeguard America’s interest in the Middle East.” Unlike the other nations in the region, Iraq really isn’t in a position to force us out. The UN and our own Democrats don’t seem interested in us leaving.

  • Again, what is GWB’s purpose? To leave office with troops in Iraq. Saying we’re there for 50 years is kind of like Bush’s tactic of proposing more tax cuts any time Democrats talked of getting rid of his old ones because of the deficit. Rather than fighting a war to gain ground, Dems are always fighting not to lose ground, and give up the fight.

    Now we’re talking about soldiers in Iraq forever, not home by September. This will give him the cover he needs to make it to the inzone: that point at which there is no longer time to plan and begin a pull out before his term is up. At that point, all media/public/political pressure will evaporate as it is then accepted fact that in September, when all eyes are looking for those Republican defections conventional wisdom assures us are coming, there will no longer be time to leave before Bush does.

    It looks like Bush won this round. I don’t see any way the Democrats get it together to put the heat on before then. Troops will be in Iraq for the next President to deal with.

  • I can see only one silver lining, that no one named Bush will occupy the White House again in our lifetimes.
    This is Bush’s War, the Republican’s War, the So-Called Conservative’s War. But we can’t effectivly hang it around their necks while they control the media. I hope that our next President can “clean house” with that media. Only then can we hope that the lies of these murdeous psychopaths won’t take root in America’s psyche.

  • We were sold a policy of “as they stand up, we’ll stand down”.

    Bush fed the following lines to the Iraqi people via “Freedom TV” in April of 2003:

    “we will not stop until Saddam’s corrupt gang is gone.”

    “Our forces are friends and liberators of the Iraqi people, not your conquerors. They will not stay a day longer than is necessary”.

    “Our enemy is Saddam and his regime, not the Iraqi people,”

    So the war is over! The enemy has been defeated. Saddam’s corrupt gang is gone. Time to come to home.

  • Korean border = 151 miles.

    Iraq border = 2,267 miles.

    They’re clutching at straws. Flaying in the wind. Toast.

    It would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic. Well, maybe that is funny.

  • Everything in the middle east is about religion or oil. Shithead dictator Hussein invaded Kuwait because the Kuwaiti’s were doing angled drilling from Kuwait into Iraq to get Iraqi oil. Shithead emperor Shrub invaded Iraq to get Iraqi oil and ensure years of profits for oil companies. Billions for Haliburton, Bechtel and Raytheon and a supposed democratic ally for Israel in the ME was just icing on the cake for them. Shrub’s 50 year “Korean model” must be based on how long Iraqi oil will last and how long our troops will have to protect the oil contracts for US oil companies.

    Off topic, I know that our ever vigilant government allowed detailed plans of the Mega-embassy in Baghdad to be posted on the Internet. I have to wonder how many Iraqis are involved in the building of this mega-monument to Bushitism. I recall the Chechens building a stadium with a large bomb built into the stands that was exploded 6 to 8 months later when the Russian appointed governor was there. On the other hand, it may be more like the US embassy built in Moscow which was permeated with Soviet bugs that had to be torn down and rebuilt because of the bugging devices. We should demand security like that of the world’s biggest paper shredder, the new Haliburton headquarters being built in Qatar. Any bets that they won’t move to the new headquarters before Shrub is finally evicted from the White House in ’09 thereby effectively closing the door on any investigations of Haliburton’s war profitteering.

  • I’m confused. I thought the “Korean model” was ‘to dick around with culturally insensitive and stupid ideological nonsense and engagement in other regions, encouraging a crazed and isolated regime to develop nuclear weapons in order to finally get attention.’

    I wouldn’t imagine anyone would want to replicate that model.

  • I wouldn’t be surprised if this is just a lame attempt to provoke Iran/Syria into the fight. The powers that be know Cheney’s pre-emptive strike model won’t work now, so why not piss them off enough through the press so that they blink first.

  • The latest WH nonsense does have a silver lining. Maybe it will finally lead to a national dialogue that gets us out of Korea.

  • Nonplussed (#23), We may have to get out of Korea because we will need the US troops from S. Korea to continue to support Shrub’s debacle in Iraq. If they start a draft, the legitimate way to address a real war, not Shrub’s contrived perpetual “War on Terra”, we might actually have enough support to finally throw the criminal organization presently running our country out of office.

  • The big news here that BushCo has now admitted to planning for decades long occupation of Iraq. The transparently mendacious comparison to Korea should not be the primary story, but it does raise the question of real reason we are planning such a long occupation. Josh Marshall at TPM is currently discussing his ideas on this:oil.

    It also means BushCo has admitted that the question of the success or failure of the surge is immaterial to their planning in Iraq. We aren’t leaving. BushCo is only buying time for the completion of the fortifications into which he will withdrawal our troops.

    With concession by BushCo that we are in Iraq for the long haul the press corp should hammer Snow at every chance admit the obvious that the surge is political theater. And they should push him into explaining the true reason behind our occupation.

  • “I can see only one silver lining, that no one named Bush will occupy the White House again in our lifetimes.”

    BuzzMon, never underestimate the power of the general ignorance of the American public.

  • I’m not shocked by the 50yr plan. It’s what I expected all along. PNAC pointed out the “need” to get a foothold in the ME and now they have. Bush never had any intention of ever leaving Iraq and, as stated, he is trying to make it impossible for his successor to leave the area. We already have a huge military base. Is it going to be an Iraq-Iran divide? Our presence there will generate continued hostility and terrorism toward America keeping Americans in fear and perpetuating the “enemy” that will need to be killed that has currently eroded our basic freedoms.
    Alternative energy and corporate reform could stop this endless cycle Bush wants to put in place. Everything Bush has done needs to be un-done. He has always been wrong and misguided and now he wants leave his tragic “mess” in place under the guise of “our country’s true destiny”.
    And here congress thought, ” How much more real damage could he do before he leaves office anyway?”
    The answer is the insanity of thinking he knows America’s true destiny and that he will be an historical icon. The proof of this insanity is by even daring to compare Korea to Iraq as an “excuse” to keep an imperial military presence in the ME.
    First it was to help Iraq become stable and now it turns into maintaining a stability 50yrs into the future to protect them from themselves. Does he really expect that anyone is buying this bullshit or does he just assume the public is too stupid to see this as a continued occupation. How much longer must we endure this man?

  • Why not call it the “Southern Lebanon Security Zone model”?

    Or the “Northern Ireland model”?

  • Note that in the WH formulation, they don’t specifically call it “the *South* Korea model.”

    That’s because it’s essentially the *North* Koread model they’re aping.

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