So much for immigration reform

Proponents of the immigration reform compromise measure working its way through the Senate, as recently as a few days ago, thought they had the momentum. It would be close, but they thought they had the votes to get the Bush-backed bill through the chamber.

So much for that idea.

The sweeping immigration overhaul endorsed by President Bush crumbled in the Senate on Thursday night, leaving the future of one of the administration’s chief domestic priorities in serious doubt.

After a day of tension and fruitless maneuvering, senators rejected a Democratic call to move toward a final vote on the compromise legislation after Republicans complained that they had not been given enough opportunity to reshape the sprawling bill. Supporters of cutting off debate got only 45 of the 60 votes they needed; 50 senators opposed the cutoff.

“We are finished with this for the time being,” said Senator Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada and the majority leader, as he turned the Senate to work on energy legislation.

It could, of course, come back at some point in the 110th Congress, but if yesterday was any indication, the votes just aren’t there. That’s not going to change in a year.

Ultimately, it wasn’t strictly partisan divisions that killed (or mortally wounded) the bill — as the NYT explained, 38 Republicans, 11 Democrats and one independent voted not to shut off debate; 37 Democrats, 7 Republicans and one independent voted to bring the issue to a head.

As the debate unfolded, I more or less came to believe this was “better than nothing” legislation. The measure had serious flaws, but it was an improvement on the status quo, and given the political environment, it was about as good as it could be.

As for the big picture, let’s look at the winners and losers.

Or, more accurately, the losers.

* President Bush: The president couldn’t rally support from Republicans, a failure which ultimately did the legislation in. The result makes the White House look even weaker and more ineffective than it did, say, last week. In case there was any doubt, Bush’s reservoir of “political capital” is now, officially, empty. Also keep in mind, immigration reform is the one major, sweeping policy area in which the White House and congressional Democratic leaders are at least near the same page. With this legislation falling apart, Bush appears to have lost his only shot at scoring a major legislative victory in the 110th Congress.

* John McCain: The presidential hopeful put his neck on the line to fight for immigration legislation that the GOP base hated. McCain gets the worst of all worlds — he couldn’t lead his own Republican colleagues well enough to get his bill through the Senate, and Republican activists resent him for even trying. In the end, McCain has nothing to show for his efforts except weaker support from those who vote in presidential primaries.

* Conservative critics of the status quo: Most on the right are understandably thrilled with last night’s developments. They fought hard to kill the bill, and by appearances, they succeeded. But they may ultimately regret it. First, a hard-line conservative bill won’t magically replace the legislation they just killed. Second, as Kevin Drum noted, their prospects for the future aren’t encouraging: “[W]hen do they think they’re going to get another crack at this? It’s going to be years, and at this point it looks to me like the political environment in the future is more likely to be more liberal than it is to be more conservative. My guess is that the hardliners aren’t going to get a better deal in 2010 than the one they voted down on Thursday.”

All around, a bad day for Washington.

And Tony Snow, the Republican dwarves (2008 candidates), Fred Thompson, and the RNC will begin blaming the Democrats for failure to pass meaningful immigration legislation in . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

  • “If the United States had approached Mexico and its integration into the North American economy in the same way that the European Union approached Spain and Portugal in 1986, we wouldn’t have an immigration problem now.”

    – Douglas Massey, Princeton University.

  • All around, a bad day for Washington.

    …And a great day for America, Carpetbagger. That legislation was bunk. If you’re here in America, working hard, obeying the law (other than getting here*), participating in civic life- you should be a citizen. That was Ronald Reagan’s position, and it’s mine too.

    (* Why should US Laws apply to you when you’re in Mexico on the other side of the fence? The second you cross the fence in to America, then our laws should apply to you.)

  • So Haik, a terrorist comes here and gets a job you want him to stay? I can believe that was Reagans position, but yours?

  • Without new legislation, I have 3 questions to ask:
    1) Why aren’t existing laws (particularly about businesses hiring undocumented pesons) not being enforced?
    2) Given Question #’s1 premise, why would we expect enforcement of a new law to be any more stringent?
    3) What the hell is wrong with Mexico, that there seems to be so little opportunity to advance economically there?

    The simple, incomplete answer is that class warfare works better for the rich.

  • The bill failed but nobody won.

    I’ve seen the number 12 million bandied about when talking of the number of illegals in this country. While folks like Tancredo insist they aren’t integrating into society, they have integrated as a key part of our economy, whether we like that or not.

    This nation is responding to this dilemma the same way we responded in Iraq: with too much talk of having people with guns solving the issues, with calls for idiotically expensive and ineffective populist measures like a 700-mile long border fence and good ole American jingoism.

    Ohioan’s quote is spot on. We need to talk with Mexico about fixing this and until we do the faucet of illegals pouring into this nation will continue to flow. Let’s use our brains and not our knee-jerk, fear-based instincts to deal with this problem.

  • My 2 cents on the “immigration reform” debate:

    If immigration reform became such a “national security” issue following the events of 9/11 as it is framed by many of the grand mentioners in the MSM and the current batch of presidential candidates as well, then why did it take five years to pass the Secure Fence Act of 2006 (which of course does nothing to secure the border with Canada where terrorists would be most likely to enter the United States) and why hasn’t the Big Fence been completed, here, some nine months later?

    George W. Bush had the luxury of six years of a complicit, capitulant Congress (see Patriot Act), and it wasn’t until now, when Democrats are in the majority in Congress, that Dear Leader chose to act. Could it be that the imperial corporatists who endeavor to prolong their control over of our government chose to frame this debate, at this time, to work upon the prejudices of The People so as to divide them just in time for the elections?

    The obvious answers that I see for “immigration reform” that seem to be left out entirely of the current debate (especially in the MSM) are a.) imposing and enforcing prohibitive penalties for businesses which employ illegal immigrants to the United States and b.) advocating for real political reform in Mexico.

    Moreover, I’ll take the radical position that the current status quo on illegal immigration isn’t as horrendous as it has been framed by the MSM or even immigration advocates (easy for a natural born citizen to say, granted). After all, during the six years after 9/11 this “national security” issue has just now manifested itself to this degree of higher-visibility.

    But, like so often, we’re damned if we do, damned if we don’t with this administration, I suppose.

  • Answering BuzzMon’s questions
    1) Because Waledmort aka Walmart and the like don’t like. If Bush’s pioneers don’t like then Bush don’t like.
    2) Would be like not ignoring benchmarks in Iraq or something.
    3) Well part of the problem is that the rich eelight of Mexico don’t wanna share when 3% makes 90% of the wealth, opportunities are few and far between. At least in the US, the illegals can work and make some money. Also Mexico got the shaft in NAFTA (being a Cannuck we can’t complain economically, but a lot of others can and should) especially in agriculture. As Mexico is not as urban as the US and Canada, many of those farmers need those jobs digging ditches in the US. Also historic, too. When the US grabbed Mexican territory (US SW) in 1846 they had the opportunity to incorporate ALL of Mexico, but they didn’t (didn’t want so many brown folk) so they took the pick and left Mexico with the rest.

    The Illegal Immigrant Song
    We come from the land of salsa and corn,
    from the desert sun where the hot peppers grow.
    The slow rot of our home
    Will drive our asses to new lands,
    To sneak past fences, singing and crying:
    America, I am coming!
    On we sweep with a straw broom,
    Our goal will be to work at Perdue.
    Ah, ah,
    We come from the land of salsa and corn,
    from the desert sun where the hot peppers grow.
    How nice your lawns so green,
    Can whisper tales of woe,
    Of how we work the jobs of crap.
    We are Lou Dobbs obsession.
    On we pick with bloody hands,
    Our only goal will be doing dirty jobs
    So now you’d better stop and let us clean your homes,
    So the richest can win the day
    Despite of all your whining.

  • Whether something is “better than nothing” is generally not knowable until implementation, which, in my opinion, is not enough of a reason to go ahead with it.

    On the other hand, doing nothing at all and sticking with the status quo is probably less about believing what we have is working than it is that the problem is so huge that no one has the mental energy to deal with it on as comprehensive a basis as it requires, and for as long a period of time it would take to see it through.

    Throw the politics into it and it’s doomed.

    We need to get a handle not only on those who are already here, but we have to determine just how open we are to new residents. Those countries whose citizens are coming here because of the lack of opportunity must be helped to change those conditions – in a way that is more comprehensive than just allocating funds to them.

    The best reason to make citizens of these undocumented residents is that their presence in the work force is depressing wages, and increasing the size of the underclass, further squeezing the middle class, while the corporations and stockholders reap larger and larger profits.

    What I fear will be the end result of the latest push on immigration reform will be noting more than a sop to the various political interests that will appear to solve some problems, but will really just be kicking it all down the road…again.

  • So Haik, a terrorist comes here and gets a job you want him to stay? I can believe that was Reagans position, but yours?

    Rick, #4- That’s rediculous. I would want a terrorist picked up by law enforcement ASAP, of course- as Reagan would have, had the millions of previously illegal aliens he granted amnesty and citizenship to included some terrorists.

    But think for a minute please. Most, if not all of the 9-11 hijackers arrived in this country legally, on planes. Most were naturalized US citizens by the time of the attacks. They did not hop a fence and cross the desert on foot. They didn’t risk their lives to float here on a raft from Cuba. Terrorists of any sophistication will not arrive that way.

    Did you agree with Clinton’s lame decision to send Elian Gonzolas back to Cuba because he was here illegally? I sure didn’t. His mother died to give her son freedom, and if his father wasn’t under Castro’s thumb the whole trip here to pick him up from Janet Reno- he might have defected too. Who knows?

    We cannot establish a wall between the US and Mexico or the US and Canada. That is a physical, temporal, economic, financial and political impossibilty. It’s our Air and Sea ports- and the economy and political structure of Mexico that need improvement if we want to better protect our security.

  • I’m with Bedrosian and BuzzMon

    Fund the INS and Border Patrol to the point where they can do their jobs and enforce the current laws. Then adjust as needed.

    Current uncontrolled immigration is knocking the economic floor out from under the least affluent Americans both native and immigrant and that can only profit the very rich. The claim that the immigrants are only doing jobs that native born citizens won’t do is pure unadulterated crap. What the immigrants are doing is driving the rates for entry level jobs so low that native born citizens can’t live on the income.

    Pretty much all the jobs that I did to work my way through college are now being done off the books for half the price by guys who you can pick up in front of Home Depot in the morning. Today I couldn’t get a job at the car wash where I worked because I don’t speak Spanish very well.

  • I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why we are not deporting illegals as a matter of policy. When I was a kid I used to sneak into movies. When I got caught they threw me out – simple. Then I either paid for a ticket or tried again.

    Not enforcing the law and publicizing that you aren’t enforcing the law is an open invitation to the disaster we have.

    Am I the only one who remembers “Nation of Laws” from Civics class?

  • (Did you agree with Clinton’s lame decision to send Elian Gonzolas back to Cuba because he was here illegally? I sure didn’t.)
    Yes I did. The law is the law, you don’t like it fine. It’s still the law. There are laws I don’t like, I still don’t get to break them. Yes you can build a wall. You can also deprt everyone who broke the law. They don’t have to be deported this second or next week, just do it when you catch them. No, I don’t care about breaking up families. They took the chance to come here and put themselves in this position. If the gov. was following the law this whole time we would have this mess. Sorry, the rightwingers aren’t the only ones who feel this way. (Reagan would have, had the millions of previously illegal aliens he granted amnesty and citizenship to included some terrorists.) Like I said Reagan would let the terrorist in, just like he would give WMD’s to sadam. Just because the hijackers on 9/11 were here leagaly doesn’t mean we should let more in.

  • Rick # 13-

    Yes I did. The law is the law
    …except when the president grants a pardon.

    Yes you can build a wall.

    …Give it a shot. Try as hard as you can. You will fail. Go to Big Bend national park in Texas and look over the virtually infinite mountainous terrain that is the “border.” You’ll see what I mean.

    “Building a wall” is an easily digestible psychological construct, but all it really is is a wall around your mind. Go to Big Bend and check it out.

    You can also deprt everyone who broke the law.

    To quote John Stewart: “Think of Elian Gonzoles- how easy that was. Now just times that by twelve million.”

    No, I don’t care about breaking up families.

    Nice.

    Just because the hijackers on 9/11 were here leagaly doesn’t mean we should let more in.

    We shouldn’t let more people in legally? Or do you mean we shouldn’t let “more” terrorists in than Reagan did. If you mean the latter, please give an example of a terrorist who was among those Reagan granted amnesty.

  • I thought the reason to send Elian Gonzolas back…was that he was a minor and his father was in Cuba! Yes, he was here illegally but in most cases family law would send a child back to his living parent… I think bringing his case up is a red herring and has little or maybe nothing to do with the illegal imigration problem.

  • “Terrorists” have nothing to do with the current immigration laws. None came in from the south and, if Carlos Mencia is to be believed, a few middle eastern types have been turned in by the Hispanics coming across.

    One possible approach, now that we have NAFTA is for the various “International” unions to stop sitting around complaining and make MAJOR organizing efforts in Mexico, Honduras, Belize, Guatemala and Panama. Make Reagan’s ‘rising tide’ really raise all boats.

    We can embargo goods from countries that don’t permit unions to organize.

  • Immigration from Mexico, which is the sort of immigration everybody’s up in arms about, isn’t a national security problem. The Al Qaeda boogeymen are not entering the US by wading across the Rio Grande. Geez, people, get a grip. The 9/11 people entered legally!

    Furthermore, immigration from Mexico does not present a net economic loss. The US gets cheap (nearly slave) labor from people who pay sales taxes and – often – income and social security taxes as well; their labor lowers food and construction costs and makes childcare, cleaning services, and gardening services affordable. At the same time, studies show that immigration’s negative effect on wages is minimal – if it exists at all. The national shame is not that we let these dreadful lawbreakers live undisturbed amongst us; it’s that we benefit from this sort of exploitation while whining non-stop about imagined woes.

    I can’t find a definitive study of the economic effect of immigration on education costs, but I’m willing to bet it’s also minimal. We aren’t building schools to handle immigrant children, we are – at worst – adding classrooms and teachers to already-existing schools. As for medical services – puh-leeze. Our medical system is a mess. The people clogging the emergency rooms are the uninsured, a class which has now expanded beyond the working poor to include big swaths of the middle class!

    I just can’t work up any angst over the failure of this bill. The ‘amnesty’ it offered was out of the reach of poor immigrants; the change to rules to keep out the poor and their families while bringing in the rich and well-educated was incredibly distasteful; and it perpetuated the slave-labor status quo. The ‘gains’ for both sides were smaller than the losses.

  • In line with what Ohioan and Wahoo said, the problem and the solution do not revolve around keeping Mexicans out of the US. The key part of the present problem is that the way NAFTA was set up tends to drag us down to Mexico’s level rather than pulling them up to ours. Equal opportunity for businesses and freedom for them to cross borders should not have allowed them to escape our laws on such things as minimum wages, workplace safety, and pollution. Free mobility of goods and finance should not be coupled with immobility of labor. If we trap Mexican laborers in a low-potential, low-wage place, what should we expect other than migration to a better economy? If we fail to prevent US businesses from employing innumerable and powerless illegal aliens at rock-bottom wages, what should we expect other than wage depression in the US?

  • We shouldn’t let more people in legally? That would be illegally. What does a presidential pardon have to do with the law. Under the law the president can pardon anyone. That a nice strawman you’ve got there. If Reno wasn’t such a wimp, they could have grabbed Elian and the rest of the people breaking the law by interfering with law enforcment. It would have blown over in a few days. This has nothing to do with Mexicans or Mexico, they can worry about their own econimic problems.. Just because none of the terrorist came thru Mexico, it doesn’t mean the can’t. #17 can mow his own lawn and watch his own kids. Americans want those construction jobs but can’t get them because they go to illegales. A nice house in my area costs $450,000. at a min. How much is the contractor putting in his pocket paying someone $10 under the table? That they don’t pay tax’s on. The landscapes are paid under tha table also.

  • Screw amnesty ~

    Most non-capital crimes have a Statute of Limitations. Usually 7 years. If you can show 84 months continuous law abiding, tax paying residence: instant Green Card. If you get caught first you go home & start over. Any felony conviction of a legal alien should result in deportation. Any arrest of an illegal alien should result in deportation.
    Fund the INS and Border Patrol to the point where they can do a reasonable job.

    Forget walls and big fences. They’re unsightly. Drill wells with solar powered pumps on a ten mile grid in the Arizona desert. We really can’t have people actually dying to get in.

  • Haik, Thanks and you have a nice weekend also. This is an emotional issue for everyone.

  • Rick #20 makes a good point

    Construction costs are within my field of expertise and in the northeast the Home Builders and Roofers are getting enough for their work that they can afford to pay good reasonable wages. The $100/Day saved every time they pick up an illegal for a day’s work does NOT go to the consumer.

    My grandfather was an illegal alien. He jumped ship in Boston in 1902

  • So Haik, a terrorist comes here and gets a job you want him to stay? I can believe that was Reagans position, but yours?

    Sad to see that some commenters here are drooling morons, Rick. Do you really think this bill would have had any effect on “terrorists” getting into the country???? If so, I invite you to go to the Santa Monica pier tomorrow, stare out over the ocean and watch the sun rise in the west. Because that’s as likely as your moron stupidity having anything to do with actual reality.

    You idiot.

  • Why are illegals getting paid under the table, I wonder? Could it be because…. wait for it… they’re illegal?

    So legalize them and they’ll join society like everyone else when they know they have equal protection under the law like everyone else.

    And let’s not forget that terrorism isn’t an immigration problem, it’s a criminal problem. We have plenty of terrorists who were born and raised here. I’ve got no problem with screening everyone we let in, so long as we live up to the promise that America used to provide (it’s written on the Statue of Liberty) and let everyone in who wants in.

  • No winners in the defeat of immigration legislation? I disagree. The wingnuts are the winners. They did not want legislation, or not as badly as they wanted to keep their latest scapegoat hot on the coals. Each campaign – against Arabs, gays, voters of color, opinionated women, on and on – requires a big investment of time, energy and radio rant. If they have not squeezed out every drop of immigrant hatred, and they haven’t, it would be shame to let the issue die down, especially since it’s their best candidate for wedge issue of the 2008 election. Gay marriage is so 2004. Immigration works up more wroth than embryonic stem cell research or evolution or birth control for teenagers. Only terrorism has proved more reliable to buffalo the confused Christian, and with Iraq getting so iffy, there may be limits to the amount of hysteria that terror-mongering can generate. So I don’t agree that the fearmongers wanted to let some bipartisan half-measure hose down their immigration issue.

  • Step 1: Pass a guest worker-visa program which is acceptable to business and the American public. We need workers, but they should have full rights while here. (This is the crux of the problem.)
    Step 2: Require all illegals to register for a temporary. However, they must return home within two (or four or six) years and apply for legal entry. Make registering easier than easy, the results of which is a legal ID.
    Step 3: Pass extremely strict, harsh laws cracking down on businesses who hire any unregistered worker. Temporary and worker visas need to be easily verify and tamper proof.
    Step 4: Make it very easy for guest workers (and holders of temporary visas) to travel home and back legally through our controlled ports.
    Step 5: Patrol the borders with shoot to kill orders. There will be no good reason to cross our borders illegally. No fence is needed.
    Step 6: Revisit the laws often to fine tune them. Feedback is essential to optimizing the situation.

  • A Guest Worker Visa program is nothing more or less than a way to screw all low end indiginous workers, both native and immigrant, and to ensure that their trip up from marginal existance is that much harder.

    To Hell with this political immigration bill. Enforce the laws we’ve got (particularly on employers) and fund the enforcers.

    This whole damned legislation is nothing more than a charade carefully crafted to avoid inconveniencing rich people at the expense of poor people.

    We don’t need an amnesty – set a statute of limitations on the illegal immigrant law. 84 months to the automatic Green Card.

  • I’m with Dan’s step 3: Pass extremely strict, harsh laws cracking down on businesses who hire any unregistered worker.

    This is the crux of it all. Why do people sneak into the country, or overstay their visas? Because it’s the best deal they can get for themselves. If the work wasn’t readily available, this would not be the case.

    At the same time, such a measure would reduce the very real, if regional, downward pressure on wages for hourly employees. The idea that these illegals are doing jobs Americans don’t want to do is a classic half truth for the ages. The full truth is that they are doing jobs no American wants to do for the wages offered. Period.

    It never ceases to amaze me how the free market zealots abandon every principle they hold dear when it comes to labor. Illegal labor is a short circuit of any free market principle as applied to labor. It’s not that they can get people cheap. It’s that they can get them cheaper than cheap and violate labor law at will – secure in the knowledge that an illegal immigrant has no recourse to justice.

    For all the hysteria in right wing circles, illegal immigration is a very easy problem. Patrol the borders, and kick the crap out of people who maintain profit margins on the backs of illegal hires.

  • El Wahoo: A guest worker program with strict enforcement could raise local wages by setting a sensible limit on the number of guest workers. That’s part of the feedback loop in order to get the optimal situation.

    JoeW: I’d like to see the data on how high the wages would have to get American workers picking produce in the fields.

    Does anyone know of a legitimate study?

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