Dumbest. Argument. Ever.

Scott Collins has an entertainment column for the LA Times, in which he writes about television. Today, Collins decided to use his TV column to wade into a political debate. (via Too Sense)

It’s become unfashionable in most media circles to stick up in any way for Fox News Channel, so it’s not surprising that the decision by Hillary Rodham Clinton, John Edwards and Barack Obama to nix an upcoming Democratic primary debate, a joint production of Fox News and the Congressional Black Caucus, has generally been greeted with deafening silence among editorial writers and other professional fulminators.

So it needs to be said: The Democrats are dead wrong not to debate on Fox News. And it’s hypocritical for the supposedly nonpartisan media to stand by and do nothing while a TV network — even one with an obvious rightward tilt whose fairness and balance deserve every bit of the scrutiny they’re getting — is trashed by mega-million-dollar political campaigns in the heat of a White House primary battle. When politicians, one of whom may very well be the next president of the United States, start using their platforms to lob missiles at news-gathering organizations they don’t like, it’s hard to see how that’s much different than President Nixon’s infamous “enemies list.”

Now, I realize it’s probably difficult when an expert in one field tackles a controversy in another field. Michael Jordan, for example, wasn’t much of a baseball player. There’s nothing wrong with someone sticking with what they’re good at. As far as I can tell, Scott Collins is good at writing about television. But if today’s nonsense is any indication, he should probably stick to his subject from now on.

“Enemies list”? Are you kidding? Nixon, paranoid and unbalanced, identified perceived threats and created a secret target list for retribution 35 years ago, using the power of the White House to punish those who got in his way. Democratic presidential candidates don’t want to legitimize a partisan television network by appearing at one of its events. These two are similar, how?

Worse, Collins acknowledges Fox News’ partisanship. His column notes, for example, that the network “has done more than perhaps any other major media outlet to accelerate” a “nasty, polarized” style of public discourse. He notes that FNC has reported blatant falsehoods about Democratic candidates, some of them “toxic.” He mentions upfront the FNC’s “obvious rightward tilt.”

In fact, Collins goes on to note, “[I]t’s not like Rupert Murdoch’s cable news network is the only way for Americans to hear the candidates live and unfiltered. Two Democratic debates have already been held, and between now and Jan. 31 at least nine more are scheduled, not including the two Fox News events, with sponsors including CNN, ABC News and the Los Angeles Times.”

So, what’s the argument? Collins concluded that it would set a “horrible precedent” to allow presidential candidates to “pillory major news organizations as propaganda machines.”

But what if the news organization is a propaganda machine?

Please, Mr. Collins, stick to television reporting.

But yet it is alright for the administration to only appear on fox news!

  • I don’t concur.
    As network news focuses increasingly on Paris Hilton’s latest hijinx, do we really wish to discourage forays from fluff into meaningful topics?

    Maybe he’ll get better with practice.

    As for Fox, what other opportunity is there for liberal viewpoints to make it out over their airwaves without being shouted down by news “hosts”?

    Of course this presumes they don’t run snarky bylines under the screen every time a candidate says something:

  • Again with the assumption that Fox is somehow entitled to have these candidates debate in their forum! How does that constitute “lobbing missiles” at Fox, or anything remotely akin to an enemies list?

    This guy’s argument is completely incoherent. It’s like saying “Look up at the sky any day of the week and you’ll see it’s plainly blue. Anybody will tell you that. That’s why hypocritical for the Democratic candidates not to recognize that the sky is obviously brick red.”

  • I wonder if the Democratic boycott of Faux is beginning to have an economic impact. If viewership is declining more rapidly, perhaps the related declining advertising revenues are the cause of so many recent complaints by (closet or otherwise) Faux supporters about the Dem’s decision.

  • Mr. Collins is a very confused TV critic. He just doesn’t seem to understand the truth to power dynamic of ethical journalism – something the Fox Noise Channel seems to not care for either. I say Mr. Collins is in way over his neophyte political head. -Kevo

  • Amazing what a few stacks of crisp unmarked bills will do to loosen up a fella’s poison pen, isn’t it? Just saying.

  • When did “Murdock’s Misfits” qualify as a news-gathering organization? They’re a tail-tucking, slanderous, yellow-dog spin-mill for the benefit of further pandering to those vast legions of Republikanner lemmings who call themselves “good” ‘Murricans.

    If I call a great big pile of “bovine excrement” a news organization, it’s still a great big pile of bovine excrement. Calling it “fair and balanced” doesn’t change ther facts one little bit—it’s still a great big pile of bovine excrement. Calling one part of the great big pile “Bill” and another part of the great big pile “Sean” and a third part of the great big pile “Greta” still doesn’t change the facts—it’s STILL a great big pile of bovine excrement.

    Throw Rupert into the show-tank at Sea World and feed his ugly carcass to Shamu!

  • It’s become unfashionable in most media circles to stick up in any way for Fox News Channel

    Not because it’s of the merits of the argument, not because it’s the right thing to do, not because Fox “News” Channel is singlehandedly lowering the level of responsible discourse in America, but because it’s “unfashionable”. Jeeze – is this guy an empty suit or what? Cry me a river.

  • Oh, please, CB, you’re killing me!

    I don’t go to every party I’m invited to, I don’t accept every credit card offer I get in the mail. Sometimes, when the phone rings, I look at the caller ID and do not answer.

    The reason I do this is for the same reason presidential candidates have the right to refuse the kind invitation of ANY network or media outlet – because we can. They are allowed to make judgments about the quality of the venue and the agenda and philosophy of the outlet involved. And they will live with those consequences – which I am guessing will be minor.

  • Collins doesn’t have to wait for some future President to possibly disciminate against legitimate news organizations. The current Pres does just that. And Fox is not a legitimate news organization, by the very definition of a NEWS organization.

  • Politicians are products and debates are one means of advertising. You want your advertising to go where there is a good chance that someone will buy what you are selling. If I’m Playboy Magazine, I don’t advertise on Lifetime: The Network for Women. And if I’m a Democrat, I don’t debate on Faux: The TV Propaganda Arm of the Republican Party.

  • Hey Steve (Comment #8), tell us what you really think.

    I’m afraid that if Murdoch was fed to Shamu, you would charged with animal cruelty (i.e. poisoning).

  • “Sure s/he kicked you down the stairs five times, but you have to go back or it just isn’t fair!”

    If Fucks News wants to be treated like a legitimate news outlet they can start right now. Maybe by 2008 the Dems will be ready to give them a chance. Or they can keep whining and (hopefully) watch their ratings shrivel like Bill O’Lielly’s … brain.

  • I did tell you what I really thought, slip—and the Orca is a resilient creature, so I don’t think that Rupert in the belly of a whale will hurt the whale very much.

    Besides, the end result would be that Rupert becomes a small pile of “whale poo”—which brings us right back to that “fair-and-balanced-network-equals-excrement” thing….

  • I say let the Dems debate on Fox Noise when the next Dem president can treat Fux Noise the same way Shrub treated Al Jazeera during his presiduncy. I say we follow our retarded misleader’s example when it comes to dealing with a hostile press. Any of scumbags at Fux Noise care for body armor and helmets before we start shelling the studio?

  • Why is he suddenly taking up this argument for “Fixed News”. What does he get out of doing this? Not only is it a miserable argument but what’s the point of making it? Most of us are extremely comfortable with excluding Fox from the political debates. It’s like excluding the circus from Sunday worship. But why suddenly Scott Collins is taking up for these clowns is baffling. What motivated this action?

  • “…..news-gathering organizations….” WTF? They don’t gather news, they disassemble right-wing opinion and slime.

  • Fox News is the Nazi hate station. No one respectable should appear on that network.

  • Fox is crap. O’Rielly a culture warrior? Please, he’s a cavedwelling cromagnum man with luffa sponge delusions. Sean Hannity a great American? Please, he’s a yellow bellied chicken hawk just like his idol Newt (the puke) Gingrich. Brit Hume a journalist? Please, he’s cue card reading cheerleader for the neocons. Besides being as far from fair and balanced as you can get they outright lie to their audience on a consistant basis. Fox is crap.

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