Rove speaks

Karl Rove gave a predictably unapologetic presentation at the Aspen Ideas Festival at the Aspen Institute over the weekend, but given that Rove is rarely confronted with these questions, his responses were nevertheless noteworthy.

For example, Aspen Institute CEO Walter Isaacson, who interviewed Rove, asked about Iraq, “Who is the enemy?”

[Rove] said that 80 to 90 percent of the bombs that are killing U.S. soldiers are from al-Qaida of Iraq. That differed from the opinion of former Secretary of State Colin Powell, who said in Aspen on Thursday that al-Qaida was only 10 percent of the problem in Iraq.

Either Rove hoped that his audience was filled with morons who wouldn’t know better, or he’s starting to believe his own spin (which in Rove’s case, is a dangerous concept).

Indeed, by all indications, Powell was rounding up when he suggested al Qaeda was responsible for 10% of the violence in Iraq. For Rove to bump that number up by a factor of eight shows that Rove believes the old maxim: if you’re going to lie, lie big.

The reality, as Anthony Cordesman of the bipartisan Center for Strategic and International Studies told the NYT, is, “Even when you talk about Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, the idea of somehow it is the center of the insurgency is almost absurd.”

Indeed, McClatchy explained last week, “U.S. military and intelligence officials, however, say that Iraqis with ties to al Qaida are only a small fraction of the threat to American troops. The group known as al Qaida in Iraq didn’t exist before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, didn’t pledge its loyalty to al Qaida leader Osama bin Laden until October 2004 and isn’t controlled by bin Laden or his top aides.”

At the Aspen event, Rove also addressed the Plame scandal.

Rove was also asked about his role in the CIA leak case involving Valerie Plame Wilson.

He replied, “My contribution to this was to say to a reporter, which is a lesson about talking to reporters, the words ‘I heard that, too.'”

Ol’ Karl is selling himself short here. The truth is, he was one of Matthew Cooper’s original sources on Plame’s identity, he was one of Bob Novak’s two sources, he came this close to getting indicted, and he lied to reporters during the investigation when he said he wasn’t involved with the leak. His “contribution,” in other words, was quite a bit more than he let on.

Finally, Rove also touched on the future of the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay.

Rove also said the prisoners at Gitmo were being treated very well compared to prisoners at detention camps during other wars.

“Our principle health problem down there is gain of weight, we feed ’em so well,” he said of the prisoners.

Oh, that Karl, he’s such a kidder, isn’t he?

I’d guess the torture is probably a bigger health risk than obesity for the detainees.

In the future, the word cynicism willl be defined by a picture of the Turd Blossom. -Kevo

  • ***Finally, Rove also touched on the future of the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay.

    Rove also said the prisoners at Gitmo were being treated very well compared to prisoners at detention camps during other wars.

    “Our principle health problem down there is gain of weight, we feed ‘em so well,” he said of the prisoners.***

    actually, i’d be interested in the response of the audience. wanna bet they giggled and were charmed by the white house operative — just like the reaction of the white house press corps to chimpy’s little jokes.

    the audience isn’t filled with morons — it’s filled with enablers, courtiers and whores.

  • I have the feeling that somehow this is related to our new practice of arming the Sunnis, but supposedly Al Qaeda in Iraq is threatening to start war with Iran now. What better way to start a war with Iran and appear to not be at the center of it for the White House. Sort of like financing Fatah to fight Hamas. I really would like to know what Pencil Dick Cheney discussed with the Saudi King during his emergency meeting a while back.

  • I hear Chris Matthews was there raving about the manly smell of sulfur that emanated in the wake of Mr. Rove’s presence and pronouncements!

  • Karl Rove is showing off his famous “math skills”, but I wonder what percentage Commander Guy thinks is the right number. Someone from the press corpse, please ask.

    tko, I’m sure Al Qaeda in Iraq knows exactly how screwed they are if the Shia in Iraq are finally turned loose (when we leave) and they know that if they don’t get the Saudis and Syrians into the war, they will be mopped up by the Iraqi Shiites (and their Iranian helpers) in a few very bloody months. And the Iraqi Sunnis who inhabit the center of the conflict may well welcome Shiite rule just to end the carnage.

    Reagan sold weapons to the Iranians, I wonder if Bush isn’t getting ready to sell (or already selling) weapons to Al Qaeda In Iraq, in a futile effort to keep all that juicy oil out from under the Iranian umbrella.

  • …or he’s starting to believe his own spin (which in Rove’s case, is a dangerous concept).

    No way! Rove is a true professional. He would never believe his own spin.

  • [Rove] said that 80 to 90 percent of the bombs that are killing U.S. soldiers are from al-Qaida of Iraq. That differed from the opinion of former Secretary of State Colin Powell, who said in Aspen on Thursday that al-Qaida was only 10 percent of the problem in Iraq.

    Karl “The Gravekeeper” Rove takes a page directly out of Mein Kampf when he perpetuates a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that anyone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.”

    So it stands to reason, since this tactic is only part of an overall strategy of totalitarian control practiced by the Private Corporate Cabal known as the Cheney Administration.

    Witness the striking similarity to the tactics of the Third Reich: [my emphasis]

    His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

  • Rove speaks…and people are still listening?

    There is nothing this guy ever says that is not calculated to advance something he is plotting or planning, and yet, the media never seems to cast a skeptical eye or challenge his remarks. Left unchallenged, those remarks end up being accepted as truth by people who still think the media is in the business of reporting the news and not just being conduits for the administration’s talking points.

  • “Rove speaks…and people are still listening?”

    Exactly. Just by sitting in the room and listening to this subhuman those people in attendance were enabling. The only way to deal with these criminals at this time is to shun them publicly at every possibly chance. When one of them takes to the podium, get up and walk out. To stay is to enable.

  • Really, everyone ought to click the link and read the entire article at the Aspen Daily News. Linda’s take on the situation (that “the audience isn’t filled with morons — it’s filled with enablers, courtiers and whores”) seems about right: the story even describes the audience chuckling about some mild anti-liberal Rovian witticism.

    It’s all so funny and urbane and clubby unless you happen to know that this person is directly involved in various illegal acts, subverting the Constitution and most likely treason. Oh, and fashioning an illegal war that has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. And this intelligent, inside-the-beltway group who “questioned” Rove most certainly DID know and simply let him continue to lie.

    Rove answers were silly, simplistic and sophistic. Anyone with a basic knowledge of the facts and the balls to ask tough questions could have pinned him like a bug on virtually any quote from the article. But apparently no one did. Because if you do have knowledge and the balls you don’t get invited to ask questions at these sort of functions.

    The people are vile. Truly vile, every single one of them.

  • Gee, Karl, it sounds like you’re saying the finest military on the planet can’t squelch a bunch of guys who take their order from a man on dialysis. That man you never talk about any more because it raises certain uncomfortable questions like why he hasn’t been captured/killed yet.

    I bet the soldiers really appreciate the way whores like Karl reduce a complex series of fights with an ever-shifting series of combatants to a single enemy.

    If I didn’t know better I’d think Karl is running Osama bin Laden’s PR firm.

  • “[Rove] said that 80 to 90 percent of the bombs that are killing U.S. soldiers are from al-Qaida of Iraq.”

    Wow, you really can’t fix stupid.

    “Rove also said the prisoners at Gitmo were being treated very well compared to prisoners at detention camps during other wars. ”

    Does he mean prisoner-of-war camps, or concentration camps?

  • I assume Rove knew what questions would be asked and his answers were prepared…and this is what he came up with?

    I hope the statistical difference between Rove and Powell over al qaeda in Iraq was pointed out in the local papers because you can be sure that at least 1/3 of any audience has no memory.

    Rove and his Bosses must keep the terror alive to justify their actions.

  • An unnamed WH aide as quoted by Ron Suskind.
    “The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” … “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

    Gee I wonder who the unnamed aide was?

  • The people are vile. Truly vile, every single one of them.

    Of course everyone in attendance was a Rovian Enabler. Do you think for a second that the White House Staff and Secret Service would allow anyone in attendance who could even possibly be critical of BushCo? Audiences for these events are cherrypicked and groomed for maximum supportiveness and screened by their willingness to open their checkbooks. Only Oprah Winfrey and Elvis Presley have had more adoring audiences.

  • I’d guess the torture is probably a bigger health risk than obesity for the detainees. — CB

    Oh, come *on*, Steve; America doesn’t torture, don’t you know that? It’s just an exercise regimen, to keep their weight down.

    Rove could use some of it, too.

  • Wonder where Karl went after the “rant”? Not that many young boys in Aspen. Guess he went for the older stuff, just to pass the time. Would be that he and “Colon” could have had a toxic cocktail or 5, and killed each other. Why Kissinger and Bryzinski get to live, speak, and be quoted, are beyond me. Jimmy has a rough time getting heard, and he speaks the truth, although in a Naive World forum. Poor Man. Decent people shouldn’
    t go into politics. It is a swamp, from which you never emerge. Life is not good. If psychos like W are in the front seat, why do we try?

  • I know, I just happened to be up later than you guys, but I just reread all the posts, and am amazed at the insights, prescient comments, and lack of actual spew.

    I was there (that, too, but also in Aspen). Heard it all. Couldn’t bring myself to trying to even touch the traitors, Colon, Karlie, or assorted handlers. Some Repub Shit from Denver were there. Avoided them also. It is bleeping sad, that so much money is spent on gasbag, lying, cover-my-ass, what-do-you-want-to-pay- me for my name recognition. Could’ve been Ivory Soap, Nascar, Wipies, or Chinese Dog food. Same old story. We are gullible, fat, happy, safe (safer than if we lived in London) and dying. The end is near, and the present is sad. My hopes go out to my daughter, who still gives a shyt, but I am still working on her. She is, a fox, and a virgin.

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