Wake me up when September ends — redux

I was pleased to see Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pull the Defense appropriations bill yesterday, after the latest in a seemingly endless stream of Republican filibusters. Reid was fed up with the obstructionism, and effectively told the GOP, “We can vote on appropriations when you let us vote on amendments.” Good for him.

There was, however, a downside.

After the vote, which followed a rare all-night debate, Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) startled colleagues by announcing that the Senate would not vote on several other proposals intended to force Bush to revisit his war plans. Although war critics in both parties had supported the measures, Reid and other Democratic leaders dismissed them as too weak. Instead, they are holding firm in their bid to persuade GOP critics of Bush’s Iraq policy to embrace more aggressive Democratic measures to begin withdrawing troops.

Reid’s move was hailed by antiwar groups, which have urged Democrats not to compromise. But his decision may also have the effect of providing Bush with an opportunity that he has wanted: 60 more days to make his case that the war is making progress.

For weeks, the White House line has been the same: let’s talk again in September. Senate Dems, and now four Senate Republicans, responded: the time to act is now; the crisis won’t wait. Yesterday scuttled Dems’ efforts, pushing off any Iraq legislation until after the August recess. It wasn’t the intention, but Bush is getting the delay he was asking for.

Regardless, Republicans whined rather incessantly yesterday, insisting that there were other, non-controversial amendments (including a military pay raise) that the Senate could pass without filibusters, but Reid recognized the game for what it was. Republicans were willing to allow votes on measures that made them look good, but would not allow votes on measures that actually mattered.

The question now, of course, is what happens next.

Spencer Ackerman explained that Reid is counting on the delay ratcheting up the pressure on the GOP between now and September. Indeed, the Senate Dems see it as a practical certainty.

“It’s a politically untenable position for the GOP,” says [a] senior leadership aide. “They cannot possibly hold out much longer. A change is around the corner.”

The thinking goes that the public, exhausted with the war and knowing that President Bush won’t end it, is going to hold the GOP increasingly responsible for the war the longer the U.S. remains in Iraq. Reid thinks he’s actually succeeded in darkening the GOP’s political fortunes by yanking the defense authorization bill. That’s because he thinks he’ll also be able to blame the GOP for not just the continuation of the war, but for the total lack of Congressional action on it, which he thinks will further inflame voters and increase the pressure on Republicans even more.

There’s a lot of post-hoc rationalization here. The Democrats gambled incorrectly that ten GOP Senators would be nervous enough in July about the war’s cost that they would break with their leadership. It could similarly be the case that Reid is misjudging Republican tolerance for constituents’ antiwar pressure, and that the August recess won’t bring enough of a change to get more GOPers to break ranks by the time Petraeus throws his stars into the ring.

And speaking of Petraeus, what should we expect from him come September? It’s probably best to lower expectations now. Petraeus’ credibility suffered a serious blow this week when he appeared on far-right activist Hugh Hewitt’s radio show, and stuck closely to the White House script. As Sullivan put it:

If I were eager to maintain a semblance of military independence from the agenda of extremist, Republican partisans, I wouldn’t go on the Hugh Hewitt show, would you? And yet Petraeus has done just that. I think such a decision to cater to one party’s propaganda outlet renders Petraeus’ military independence moot. I’ll wait for the transcript. But Petraeus is either willing to be used by the Republican propaganda machine or he is part of the Republican propaganda machine. I’m beginning to suspect the latter. The only thing worse than a deeply politicized and partisan war is a deeply politicized and partisan commander. But we now know whose side Petraeus seems to be on: Cheney’s. Expect spin, not truth, in September.

Stay tuned.

The downside isn’t that Bush gets six more weeks, that’s negligible. The downside is that “Democrats are holding up funds for the troops on the field of battle.” Aren’t they afraid of this line?

  • The troops are funded until at least October – this Defense bill is for the fiscal year that begins in October, so any blather you hear about the Dems holding up funds is just the usual disingenuous crap.

    Think Progress is reporting this morning that all senators and some representatives have been invited to attend a videoconference with Petraeus and Crocker – the sales pitch continues…

  • I’ll start to sound like a broken record:

    1) The Dems have to learn how to use this August break to maximize the message and therefore the public pressure. We need to drive local media to press Repubs on the war back in their home districts over the break, we need to mobilze the public in their home districts over break, etc.

    2) Reid’s tactic only works if (a) they have considered and developed a quick, strong, bumper-sticker simple response strategy for the “Dems are abandoning the troops in the field by pulling their funding out from under them” line, and (b) Dems’ spines dont turn to mush the first time the “abandoning the troops” line appears to stick in the eyes of some Beltway talking head. Having pulled the trigger on this tactic, they need to be ready to ride out a little heat to see it through.

  • Democrats keep refusing to take the only path open to them, start impeachments hearings NOW and run them through the rest of the Bush’s term without ever putting a Bill of Impeachment up for a vote. This would provide a 17 month forum for political theatre of the most serious kind, a forum through which to carefully document all the treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors of the Bush Crime Family and all those Congressional Republicans up for re-election next year.

    Meantime, announce a complete halt to further funding for the ongoing occupation of what used to the sovereign nation of Iraq, along with a refusal to fund any further such adventures. Such an announcement could be made effective with as little as 40 votes in the Senate (as the Republicans are currently proving).

    Anything other than these two measures is proof that the Democrats don’t mean what they they say, that they are primarily interested in covering their own asses (by which I mean their faces) and remaining on the federal dole for millionaires along with the rest of corporate America.

  • ***They cannot possibly hold out much longer.***

    The Republikanner Legions know that he still holds enough power to thwart any meaningful war legislation for another 18 months—the amount of time between right now and the fateful day in January 2009 when “Herr Bush” must either step aside from his executive post, or face open rebellion.

    18 months. Contemplate the accumulative damage that can be done in that amount of time. The graft; the raping of the national treasury; the further embedment of Bushylvanian tools into career civil-service positions that are protected bvy law, and virulently (perhaps, even violently) defended by the incredulously shallow talking points of their (*hack*cough*) “fair-and-balanced network.”

    The Bush administration is an epidemic that’s on the verge of becoming a global pandemic in its own right. Reid needs to stand his ground—right now, and for the duration—and shut the GOP down on their war rhetoric. The suspension of defense appropriations legislation can break the back of this “nondefensible war.” It will drive out the profiteers. It will shutter the enlistment centers. It will grind the gears of the war machine to a halt, because everyone knows that the lubricant that greases those gears is a concoction of cash and carnage. Take away the cash-flow, and all the carnage in the world becomes meaningless to those who feed upon the profit of an unjust, aggressive war….

  • Every Democrat who ever goes on TV should say, “the Republicans are filibustering the Defense bill” – if possible say it 3 times in a row, or until the cameras stop rolling, whichever comes last.

  • I doubt any appeals to the victimization of Iraq as a formerly sovereign nation will go over well since it was a really shitty sovereign nation because of Saddam. But I guess we have to go to anti-war with the victim we have instead of the victim we wish we had.

  • I hate to say it but I think some of you guys have just become too accustomed to losing. Republicans are stuck between Iraq and a hard place right now and some of them — particularly their leadership in the senate, looking at 21 of their seats up for reelection next year vs 12 for Democrats — are smart enough to know that. They would like nothing better than try and bleed off a little of the growing pressure coming down on them with appearances of action. Reid just raised the stakes by pulling that option right out from under them. This, is getting good.

    Keep your eye on the House, too.

  • “Every Democrat who ever goes on TV should say, “the Republicans are filibustering the Defense bill” – if possible say it 3 times in a row, or until the cameras stop rolling, whichever comes last.”

    Comment by Ohioan — 7/19/2007 @ 9:40 am

    Amen to that! The one dark spot for me on this week’s pajama party in the Senate was that they dropped the ball on the PR side of the fight (again). They’re learning though. I think that’s what they’re grooming Webb for right now. Harry Reid is a much better behind the scenes strategist and tactician than he is a front man for the party and he is smart enough to know that.

  • Regarding Petraeus’ appearance on Hugh Hewitt and Sullivan’s post:

    – Should General Petraeus also avoid speaking with Democratic partisans, like George Stephanopolis or Chris Matthews?
    – Of course he’s on Cheney’s side. He’s part of the government, silly.

  • I think that’s what they’re grooming Webb for right now. — CalD, @10

    Webb doesn’t need grooming for that role; just let him rip 🙂

    I may have some “issues” with Webb, but, on the matter of Iraq he’s faultless (in fact, almost monothematical. But that’s what we need at the moment). His suitability to take on all comers was evident ever since his “That’s between me and my boy”, which he shot at Shrub early on.

  • Oh, I get it. If someone consents to be interviewed by a conservative host he’s a “tool” of the rightwing but, strangely, when Barbara Boxer is interviewed by Bill Maher there are no political overtones to be noted. Moreover, and as “carlitos” suggests, had Petraeus declined to be interviewed by Matthews the same accusations would have been leveled. Which way is it?

    Some of you folks are idiots.

    p.s. Gen. Petraeus was confirmed to his position and entrusted to implement a new strategy by a unanimous Senate who also agreed to have him report back in September…but now the Dems don’t want to wait for the report…gee, wonder why? could it be because no way, no how can they allow any positive developments to be reported?

  • They can try to spin that stone around their own necks all they want. It’ll spin real good as they go down to the bottom of the political ocean, right after the American people push them overboard.

  • But Petraeus is either willing to be used by the Republican propaganda machine or he is part of the Republican propaganda machine. I’m beginning to suspect the latter. The only thing worse than a deeply politicized and partisan war is a deeply politicized and partisan commander. But we now know whose side Petraeus seems to be on: Cheney’s. Expect spin, not truth, in September.

    Well.most of the Great German Generals weren’t actual members of the Nazi Party, but their “greatness” advanced the goals of the party. Somone is surprised that the leader of the Imperial Stormtroopers is a loyal believer in both the Emperor and Darth Vader?

  • You guys Godwin your own threads, and then complain about trolls?

    “Republikanner Legions”
    “Herr Bush”
    “Imperial Stormtroopers … Emperor … Darth Vader”
    “Bushylvanian”
    “Bush Crime Family”

    Chris Matthews worked for Tip O’Neill, Ed Muskie, wrote speeches for Jimmy Carter. Other than claiming to vote for George Bush in 2000, I think it’s hard to make the case he’s an administration tool? Anyway, is he ok for Petraeus to speak to, or not? If so, where do you draw the line between him and Hugh Hewitt? Or is Sully (again) being silly and disingenuous, probably due to previously being eviscerated on-air by said Hewitt?
    Any actual responses to #14 forthcoming?

  • Petraeus for Military Dictator! Add that to your annals of left-wing slurs, carlitos. We liberals will have people like you and your Reich Wing Authoritarian daddies to thank for the demise of our Constitutional Republic. Yawohl!

  • Chris Matthews worked for Tip O’Neill, Ed Muskie, wrote speeches for Jimmy Carter. Other than claiming to vote for George Bush in 2000, I think it’s hard to make the case he’s an administration tool?

    Who Matthews worked for 20 years ago is irrelevant. There is a LONG list of evidence pointing to his love for this administration. I mean the man practically cooed over how Bush looked in a flight suit. Use teh Google, and you’ll find plenty of evidence.

    Any actual responses to #14 forthcoming?

    Trolls that open with ad-hominems don’t generally warrant a response, but what the heck. Shailagh Murray’s GOP shilling has been well documented for quite some time (again, teh Google), and it isn’t about WHO people speak to, it’s about WHAT they say.

    Regarding Petraeus, he was unanimously confirmed to implement a new strategy. He has not. The “surge” is not new. It is simply another F.U. to tack onto this five year adventure. Enough is enough. The evidence is there that the new old plan still isn’t working, and wishing for ponies in September won’t change that.

  • Interesting video clips of the overnight speeches can be seen at
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/015554.php

    Thune argued that Afghanistan is seen as a good war but Iraq is seen as a bad war because more soldiers are dying in Iraq. The difference that Al Qaida was in Afghanistan but not in Iraq appears to have escaped him.

    (For the record, I think we might have done better by buying hearts and minds rather than invading Afghanistan, but I guess we’ll never know.)

  • “ah, a nice new troll…….” (Comment by just bill — 7/19/2007 @ 11:57 am)

    They’re cute when they’re little, aren’t they?

  • ***Any actual responses to #14 forthcoming?***
    —————————–carlitos

    Well, since you decided to try and hide behind the incredulously-thin and intellectually-shallow Godwin card (a typical reich-wing tool if there ever was one), I’ll give it a try. Let’s see—maybe we’ll take this exercise in blatant mediocrity, and pick a few of its bones….

    *Gen. Petraeus was confirmed to his position and entrusted to implement a new strategy by a unanimous Senate who also agreed to have him report back in September…but now the Dems don’t want to wait for the report…gee, wonder why? could it be because no way, no how can they allow any positive developments to be reported?*

    Petraeus himself started backpedaling on the September date less than a month after he made the commitment—which if I recall correctly, was right in the middle of his confirmation event. It seems that, as is usual for just about anyone hired by the “biogenetic offal of Bush 41,” the individual nominated for a position will say whatever must be said to guarantee confirmation. Once confirmed, all bets are off. I say “just about anyone” because I’ve yet to see any political backpedaling from the culinary, janitorial, or groundskeeping staffs at the White House. I do have my doubts about the plumbers, though—they have an affinity to believe that the Internet is a tube-slash-pipe kind of thing.

    Yet, I digress. In coming back to the topic, it is now pretty much common knowledge that there will be no positive announcement in September, as “representatives” of this current administration are already pointing to the need to carry on the current Iraqi expedition well into 2009, with some hinting at the need for 2010. A few even seek to argue for the establishment of permanent bases on Iraqi soil. Such comments do not indicate “September 2007” as a definite date. Petraeus himself has promoted the possibility of further “surges” if the current escalation fails to promote the desired policy results.

    Although you’re probably not old enough to recall the debacle of Viet Nam, the US faced an eerily-similar problem in the mid-to-latter ’60s. Generals argued for further escalations in manpower, excursions into Laos and Thailand, the unrestricted high-level bombings of civilian population centers, and–yep—Westmoreland and company even tried justifying the use of nuclear weapons to turn the tide of the war.

    Successes in Iraq? Petraeus can’t even hold Baghdad. He can’t even prevent mortar assaults on that prissy little Green Zone—and he’s trying to do it with less than a third of what the “pre-Bush” estimates were for quelling the anticipated Iraqi insurgency. If you want to talk “Godwin’s Law,” then Godwin this: Hitler couldn’t quell the anti-German sentiment in 1940s-era France with an occupation force in excess of a million battle-hardened troops—why should anyone believe that Bush and his “pet rat” can bring Iraq to heel the population of Iraq with one-seventh the number of troops, consisting primarily of burned-out, ill-equipped, undertrained reservists?

  • John Cole’s snark on the Petraeus/Hugh Hewitt kissy-fest is pretty amusing. But I actually have to agree to at least some extent with Hewitt (and ric ottaiano in post #14 for that matter) that simply breathing in the same air as Hewitt does not automatically qualify Petraeus as a right-wing tool. It cannot be proven that Petraeus knew in advance that Hewitt was going to get down on his knees, unzip the General’s fly and perform fellatio on Bush’s Iraq war policy right there in front of him.

    Of course it’s still reasonable to think Petraeus might have guessed, Hewitt’s penchant for wrapping his lips around any right wing tool that comes his way being no particular secret. And of course some of Petraeus past statements about the war could certainly be read to suggest certain disturbingly tool-like tendencies. But for the Hewitt incident in isolation, I guess a reasonable person could conceivably give the general the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, if it happens again then we’ll know for sure.

  • Carlitos-

    Linking to a Hugh Hewitt interview as ‘proof’ of anything only proves to me that you aren’t worth talking to.

    Enjoy your cave in troll-land.

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