How will Dems react to the Petraeus report?

The WaPo’s Dan Balz and Chris Cillizza sat down with House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) yesterday, who told them that a positive progress report on Iraq from Gen. David Petraeus would likely split House Dems and undermine the party’s efforts to press for a withdrawal timetable.

Clyburn … said Democrats might be wise to wait for the Petraeus report, scheduled to be delivered in September, before charting next steps in their year-long struggle with President Bush over the direction of U.S. strategy.

Clyburn noted that Petraeus carries significant weight among the 47 members of the Blue Dog caucus in the House, a group of moderate to conservative Democrats. Without their support, he said, Democratic leaders would find it virtually impossible to pass legislation setting a timetable for withdrawal.

“I think there would be enough support in that group to want to stay the course and if the Republicans were to stay united as they have been, then it would be a problem for us,” Clyburn said. “We, by and large, would be wise to wait on the report.”

Clyburn added that a generally positive, optimistic assessment from Petraeus would be “a real big problem for us.”

Conservatives, of course, erupted, suggesting Clyburn is rooting for failure. “A ha!” they said, “A leading Dem has finally admitted that good news is a ‘real big problem’! We knew it!”

Please. As Steve M. explained, “He’s not saying that actual success in Iraq would be ‘a real big problem’ for Democrats. He’s saying that a deeply politicized piece of GOP propaganda from Petraeus disguised as an honest report would be a problem, because Petraeus is so well regarded.”

That said, Clyburn is probably right in his assessment of the caucus. Supporters of a sensible Iraq policy seemed to have the momentum — polls have shown strong national support for withdrawal, Dems have been united, and Republicans who hadn’t already broken party ranks, were at least hinting that they wanted to.

In this sense, Petraeus may throw the political chessboard in the air, issuing a positive report that will bolster the president’s policy. The problem, of course, isn’t encouraging news; it’s the skepticism about Petraeus’ objectivity.

I realize that the general has developed a very strong reputation, but Petraeus’ report need not necessarily be embraced at face value. As Andrew Sullivan noted, “There’s concern he’s not a disinterested party in a critical debate. There is worry that by talking to partisans like Hugh Hewitt, he will only undermine his credibility. There is legitimate scrutiny of his forecasts in the past.”

Dick Polman had a great recent piece about Petraeus’ credibility, as did Glenn Greenwald, but let’s also not forget the NYT’s Frank Rich, who had a powerful column on the general over the weekend.

As always with this White House’s propaganda offensives, the message in Mr. Bush’s relentless repetitions never varies. General Petraeus is the “main man.” He is the man who gives “candid advice.” Come September, he will be the man who will give the president and the country their orders about the war.

And so another constitutional principle can be added to the long list of those junked by this administration: the quaint notion that our uniformed officers are supposed to report to civilian leadership. In a de facto military coup, the commander in chief is now reporting to the commander in Iraq. We must “wait to see what David has to say,” Mr. Bush says.

Actually, we don’t have to wait. We already know what David will say. He gave it away to The Times of London last month, when he said that September “is a deadline for a report, not a deadline for a change in policy.” In other words: Damn the report (and that irrelevant Congress that will read it) — full speed ahead. There will be no change in policy. As Michael Gordon reported in The New York Times last week, General Petraeus has collaborated on a classified strategy document that will keep American troops in Iraq well into 2009 as we wait for the miracles that will somehow bring that country security and a functioning government.

Though General Petraeus wrote his 1987 Princeton doctoral dissertation on “The American Military and the Lessons of Vietnam,” he has an unshakable penchant for seeing light at the end of tunnels. It has been three Julys since he posed for the cover of Newsweek under the headline “Can This Man Save Iraq?” The magazine noted that the general’s pacification of Mosul was “a textbook case of doing counterinsurgency the right way.” Four months later, the police chief installed by General Petraeus defected to the insurgents, along with most of the Sunni members of the police force. Mosul, population 1.7 million, is now an insurgent stronghold, according to the Pentagon’s own June report.

By the time reality ambushed his textbook victory, the general had moved on to the mission of making Iraqi troops stand up so American troops could stand down. “Training is on track and increasing in capacity,” he wrote in The Washington Post in late September 2004, during the endgame of the American presidential election. He extolled the increased prowess of the Iraqi fighting forces and the rebuilding of their infrastructure.

The rest is tragic history. Were the Iraqi forces on the trajectory that General Petraeus asserted in his election-year pep talk, no “surge” would have been needed more than two years later. We would not be learning at this late date, as we did only when Gen. Peter Pace was pressed in a Pentagon briefing this month, that the number of Iraqi battalions operating independently is in fact falling — now standing at a mere six, down from 10 in March. […]

And when General Petraeus cited soccer games as an example of “the astonishing signs of normalcy” in Baghdad last month, he could not have anticipated that car bombs would kill at least 50 Iraqis after the Iraqi team’s poignant victory in the Asian Cup semifinals last week. This general may well be, as many say, the brightest and bravest we have. But that doesn’t account for why he has been invested by the White House and its last-ditch apologists with such singular power over the war.

On “Meet the Press,” Lindsey Graham, one of the Senate’s last gung-ho war defenders in either party, mentioned General Petraeus 10 times in one segment, saying he would “not vote for anything” unless “General Petraeus passes on it.” Desperate hawks on the nation’s op-ed pages not only idolize the commander daily but denounce any critics of his strategy as deserters, defeatists and enemies of the troops.

That’s because the Petraeus phenomenon is not about protecting the troops or American interests but about protecting the president.

Something for everyone to keep in mind.

Frank Rich’s recent column was great. Why is Rich always “ahead of the curve” on this stuff? He really understands the (diseased) “pathology” of the Bush-Cheney administration.

  • I wish everyone would stop calling it a “war.” a war is when one nation state attacks another nation state and one of them captures the other’s flag. We had a war with Iraq and we won. Years ago. Now we have a bloody occupation. There’s a civil war in Iraq, touched off by the war we fought and won, but we aren’t a part of that and we don’t have the power to end it.

    By the way… it’s almost 1pm. Has Arlen Spector’s head exploded yet?

  • What Democrats should do is compare Petraeus’ words against what he previously has said. If his report is not more optimistic than previous reports (which is likely, as previous reports are a hard target to achieve they were so glowing) they could say “We haven’t progressed, we’re at the same point we were at on date xxxxxx, and we know where we went from there.”

  • Conservatives, of course, erupted, suggesting Clyburn is rooting for failure. “A ha!” they said, “A leading Dem has finally admitted that good news is a ‘real big problem’! We knew it!”

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    These Repigs are such devious bastards, always trying to manipulate the simple-minded. Clyburn was saying that it would be a problem for party unity and for moving ahead with what’s right for the country and the world. The repigs know full well what he was saying. They just take most Americans for fools. Pity too, because we aren’t.

  • I’ve often wondered what the reaction would be if the situation in Iraq really did improve. As one who opposed the war from the start, I (and many others) have spent years gathering justification to support my (our) argument that the U.S. invasion and occupation have created an unmitigated disaster. Thus far, it’s been easy to discredit the transparent claims of success and “freedom on the march.” But what if things were to change? Am I so dedicated to this position that I would disregard a turn around? I don’t see that happening, but it’s an interesting question.

    If it really looked like Iraq could stand on it’s own two feet within two years, I think I’d be inclined to stay. But that’s the problem with propaganda and crying wolf — once you’ve lost credibility, who would believe you if you did start telling the truth?

  • Conservatives, of course, erupted, suggesting Clyburn is rooting for failure.

    So when are the Dems gonna start pounding on the ReThugs for actually supporting failure? It would be nice to see them on the defensive a little. Although that would be nearly impossible, what with no shame and all…

  • Why are Republicans so reckless with the lives of our troops just so that Bush can run out the clock on his disastrous occupation of Iraq? Aren’t our forces worth more than avoiding a presidential embarrassment?

  • The Democrats are either niaeve or complete fools. We knew what Petraeus would say from day one by knowing what he would NOT say. He would never say the surge is not working. He would never say the troops should be withdrawn and redeployed. He’s been a political operative from day one of being appointed.

    The Dems have already lost if they are waiting on Petraeus’ report to decide what actions to take, and Bush knows this. Howard Dean, the DNC chairman, has already “given up” on doing anything to stop this occupation, preferring to just wait until we get a Democratic president, which agrees exactly with Bush’s strategy.

    The WH has announced its huge arms deal with Saudi Arabia at this time to threaten Iran. We will most likely be at war with Iran before we get a Democratic president. Democratic leaders are pretending that Bush never boasted that he would make it impossible for the next president to leave Iraq. They never ask just how does he plan to do that. They pretend they don’t already know what Petraeus will say about Iraq. They will just stand there dumbfounded if Bush ever utilizes his “unitary directive”

    Democrats don’t see that by doing nothing to stop the continuation of this occupation they chance losing elections as withdrawal and decreased casualties at election time will favor republicans. Democrats need to act and not just always react. We don’t care what Petraeus says, we want the US military out of Iraq. This “wait and see” strategy that began with the “splurge” misses the point that we want the troops out of Iraq now. Howard Dean and these “blue dog” dems have… already… surrendered to Bush policy. Unless it’s an election, they won’t even try to win.

  • So if Petraeus came out with a bad report, would the Republicans say “OK, let’s leave” or would they replace the military messenger (again) and give him some more Friedmans to come up with a happier report?

    Gee I wonder.

    And I would add that this waiting for Petraeus to speak is just as stupid as the idea that if they found some WMDs then the war would have been justified. It’s a false proposition shoved down our throats by the same lunatics who thought the war was a good idea. They really need to STFU and let someone who predicted the clusterf**ck before it started.

  • btw***Why is no one mentioning the role Cheney will play in all of this. What if something happens to Bush? What, God forbid, would happen if Bush were assassinated in office.

    Cheney would just say…”Oh the hell with congress. They’re afraid to do what needs to be done”. There would be no way to stop him. So why do we still have someone like this as vice president? Support HR 333.

  • Furthering bjobotts’ comments, WTF is with these ‘Blue Dog’ Democrats? They seem awfully like ‘Republican Lite.’

    Do they really think that Petraeus is apolitical? That he is going to give an honest, totally-from-his-heart analysis, untainted by a desire to ‘keep his boss happy?’ Can they really not see the writing on the wall?

    The fact that they are ‘going to wait for Petraeus’ report’ and then decide would be laughable, if it weren’t for the dire consequences of such a shuttered worldview.

    The fact that anyone who calls themselves ‘Democrat’ would be giving any credibility at all to Petraeus makes me throw my hands up in the air. And my elbows are tired of doing that all the time.

  • We still don’t know what Petraeus is going to report. But we can be sure he’s not going to say that the situation in Iraq is a hopeless mess. He’s a general, and no general will admit defeat until he is overwhelmed. It’s his job to find a way to win, whatever “winning” is in this case. If he really sees no hope, he should, and probably will, tell Bush privately. Bush is, after all, his superior officer. (LBJ demanded and got a “guarantee” on Khe Sanh.)

    What he may well report to congress is a few successes and optimistic scenarios. But he also may be very frank about what it will take him to “win,” knowing that what he asks is far more than congress will grant. In other words, he may duplicate the Baker-Hamilton Report.

    I still have respect for Petraeus, and I think he’s in a very bad spot for a general. Remember, he didn’t ask for the job. He obeyed an order to try to make the “surge” work. Being stuck with primarily a political mission, he’s going to be in a damned do/damned don’t no matter what.

  • The new leftist talking point is ‘petraeus is a hack’ is funny. He was confimred 81-0 by u.s. senate in january and no democrat voted against him. Clyburn’s point is 47 house democrats that are in swing seats not safe seats will be the ones to watch. Which means people like shuler and other will have to answer to voters other than those who sit in their underwear day and night and blog on a computer in parents basement or live off their spouse or bf or bf. Its funny to watch the leftists bash the blue dogs when their seats give the dems their majority. Al the blue dogs voted for Pelosi as speaker in January and none voted present.

  • So, let me see if I get this correct . . .

    Obama says he’ll sit down and talk to every single numb-nut “leader” in the world, including those who professes an abiding hatred of this country and of our people, and that he would do so within the first year of taking office, and he is hailed as a hero by every surrender monkey on the left.

    But General Petraeus talks to Hugh Hewitt in an interview, and suddenly he lacks all credibility?

    And just who are the surrender monkeys I speak of? Well, here’s an admission against interest example from this very thread:

    The fact that anyone who calls themselves ‘Democrat’ would be giving any credibility at all to Petraeus makes me throw my hands up in the air. And my elbows are tired of doing that all the time.

  • I knew it! I knew it! This is going to take time!!!! Don’t these people know their wasting time! And here I thought Nancy fixed everything! She looked good in that head thingamagiggy too!
    What color is orange? It depends on what your definition of is, is…. What color is orange indeed! Hurumph!!!

  • Kevin, Trochilus! Stop it! You’re cunfuzing me with facts! Everyone knows that as soon as you talk to someone like Hewitt you have to get your head out from under the covers and think! It’s all a vast right-wing thing! Petraeus can’t possibly be making head way, haven’t you seen MSN & CNN? The enemy body count is phony. The enemy kills a few of their own guys, they let our guys count them, then they sneak out and snatch the bodies, and use them over and over again! We just can’t be killing that many of the enemy. Our guys just aren’t that smart. Remember John Kerry said so.
    There’s that orange question again!

  • Oh, by the way, there is another example of a “surrender monkey” who has high praise for Obama’s position on the kerfuffle over his professed desire to personally meet with and talk to all the America-hating leaders of rogue nations within the very first year of an Obama presidency.

    Check here: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/07/steel-obama.html

    So in other words, Andrew Sullivan, who is openly supporting Obama, agrees with that position, but conversely alleges that General Petraeus is inherently untrustworthy because he gave an interview to Hugh Hewitt.

    Sullivan boasts on his blog’s marquee that he is, “OF NO PARTY OR CLIQUE.”

  • I find great humour at first in reading this post. Unfortunately it soon moves to dismay. Such far out fantasy, repeated over and over as if it is true, proves the the theory, “Liberalism is a not a polictical persuasion, it is a mental disorder”.

    I pity your lives.

  • oppressmenot:

    Are you just pretending to be that stupid? Why not study the context before making yourself appear foolish?–on second thought, you probably can’t help that.

  • Old Whig, oppressmenot may or may not be pretending to be that thick, but what he said about Republicans was quite revealing regarding his obvious feelings about many of his fellow “progressives.”

    These Repigs are such devious bastards, always trying to manipulate the simple-minded.

    For oppressmenot “manipulate” is equivalent to “to persuade with proof.” A straightforward, plainly logical understanding of what James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said, was that a positive progress report on Iraq from General Petraeus would cause Blue Dogs to drop off the “cut-and-run” speedwagon.

    Here is Clyburn’s exact quote about the 47 members of the Blue Dog Caucus of Democrats in the House, taken directly from the Washington Post article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/30/AR2007073001380.html

    “I think there would be enough support in that group to want to stay the course and if the Republicans were to stay united as they have been, then it would be a problem for us,” Clyburn said. “We, by and large, would be wise to wait on the report.”

    In fact, it sounds like the events of the past several weeks have already persuaded the Blue Dogs that progress IS INDEED being made, and that they would NOW likely drop off any more “cut-and-run” resolutions that are posted. So, trying to save face, Speaker Pelosi says she won’t likely post any more because she doesn’t want the Republicans to have an opportunity to “peel away” and record votes against the President.

    Right! Tommy Smothers used to say that if you believe things like that, you probably “believe you’ve seen a chicken with lips.”

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