TV preacher Robertson targets Obama

August 6, 2007

About a year ago, in a speech before a left-leaning religious group, Barack Obama delivered a fairly provocative speech urging progressives to do more to “acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of the American people.” Last week, Obama chatted with TV preacher Pat Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting Network and had some advice for the other side of the ideological spectrum.

For my friends on the right, I think it would be helpful to remember the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy but also our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn’t the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment…. It was the forbearers of Evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they didn’t want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it. Given this fact, I think that the right might worry a bit more about the dangers of sectarianism.

Whatever we once were, we’re no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of non-believers. We should acknowledge this and realize that when we’re formulating policies from the state house to the Senate floor to the White House, we’ve got to work to translate our reasoning into values that are accessible to every one of our citizens, not just members of our own faith community.

Good stuff. I’ve long believed Democratic leaders have done too little to emphasize their support for church-state separation, and Obama’s comments to CBN helped frame the issue in a helpful way — everyone should support the separation of church and state, especially the devout.

Of course, TV preacher Pat Robertson, who still controls CBN, didn’t quite see it that way.

The way CBN is set up, religious-right reporters will give a religious-right perspective on a news story. The broadcast then turns to Robertson, who shares his unique insights on the news, before the program, “The 700 Club,” moves on to the news story.

Last week, after his show reported on Obama’s comments, Robertson was less than pleased.

“I think what he says is dangerous,” Robertson blustered. “I think that it has a veneer of sophistication and it has a veneer of moderation, a veneer of intelligence, but underneath it he basically is selling out, well, the origins of our nation.

“America wasn’t built on Hinduism,” Robertson continued. “America wasn’t built on Islam. America wasn’t built on Buddhism. America and our democratic institutions were built on the Christian faith. There is no question about it…. And I think to put Christianity on a par with Hinduism, Buddhism, etc., I believe this man is doing a grave disservice to our nation.”

Now, as a factual matter, Robertson’s historical argument is absurd, but I was struck by the notion that Obama’s perspective is “dangerous.” As this crazed TV preacher sees it, if the nation treats all faiths equally, it’s a “grave disservice” to the country?

If Obama is really lucky, Robertson will continue lashing out at him.

So, Rev. Robertson is back. Now, he is the attack on Obama. And I thought Robertson was in a nursing home. The GOP are certainly getting desperate to bring Robertson out to smear Obama.

  • Yes, the dispensationalist crowd wants a theocracy. And high priests of the Dispensational Movement, like TeeVee Preecher Pat Robberson, can blather about “…democratic institutions …built on the Christian faith,” but silly me, I was under the misapprehension that our “democratic institutions” were built upon the belief that “all men were created equal,” including fanatical Jesus Christers/Christianity Hijackers, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Christ Followers, etc.

    But Robberson can find solace in that he might become the Minister of Ecclesiastical affairs under King George XLIV.

  • CB: I was struck by the notion that Obama’s perspective is “dangerous.”

    Let me explain how this works from someone raised in a fundamentalist household. The more it makes sense, the more it reveals Satan’s stranglehold on human intellect and wisdom.

    In short, the more sense it makes, the more we should avoid listening to it. There’s really no way to win here.

  • Obama understands that as religion influences government, government influences religion. It’s not a one-way street. All Robertson sees is a chance to accumulate more power.

  • Obama’s comment was quite sensible. Now, if he only did as well when diving into foreign policy.

  • Back before they tossed me out of the University of San Francisco I was waiting to see one of the Jesuits at the reception desk of the faculty residence, known affectionately as the Jesuit Hilton. While I stood there biding my time I overheard the receptionist tell someone over the phone “No, this isn’t a Catholic church; it’s Jesuit” (referring to the fact that the huge, ornate building on the corner was a university chapel, not a parish church.

    Ours is not a religious nation and certainly not a Christian one. It was never intended to be, and the recent influx of alternative superstitions has nothing to do with it. The Founding Fathers fully realized what they were doing when they separated Church and State. The history of Europe prior to their time (Crusades, Inquisition, wars of Reformation) was all they needed to see the wisdom of never establishing any religion.

    When I was a teenager in the ’50s I saw cartoons with a tiara-ed Pontiff in the Vatican pulling puppet strings over the US Capitol dome. When I was 20, Roman Catholic presidential candidate John Kennedy told the nation’s bishops what they could do with their legislative proposals and excommunication threats. Ever since Nixon-Reagan we have paid far too much attention to bible-thumping hillbillies from TeeVee, virtually all of whom are nothing but con-men, hypocrites, perverts, and snake-oil salesmen.

    When I hear today’s embodiment of stupidity, Commander Codpiece (aka Conman-in-Chief), utter “God bless” it takes all I can do not to hurl a Latinate Harry Potter curse at the whole nation for its tolerance of the man’s unConstitutional behavior. Now that I think of it, perhaps what the American public needs is to live under Jesuit rule for a decade or so; I know how to cope, more or less, with that. The most I know how to do with the Invincibly Ignorant is to ignore them, and TeeVee is making that virtually impossible anymore.

  • Yeah right. “America wasn’t built on…”

    Those Baptist-believing Welsh (1750s)…

    Those English-challenged Germans (1740s, 1840s, 1850s, 1880s)…

    Those Papist Irish… Italians… Poles… Czechs… (1790s, 1840s, 1850s, 1870s, 1880s, 1890s, 1900s)…

    Them damn Chinee (1850s onwards)…

    Robertson and the rest of the white trash descendants of transported pig fornicators are what is wrong with America. Always have been, going back to before the United States was the United States, always will be…

  • Hey Pat, why you build a law school and no medical school? You think Jesus was a lawyer? Why you trya so harda to get you people working in the WH and notta in a yor hospitals…oh I forget, you don’t have a hospital. All other religions have a hospital how come you don’t? Why you even call yourself a religious organization instead of just a political organization? You a dangerous not Obama

  • If Obama is really lucky, Robertson will continue lashing out at him.

    Steve B… you may be right with that.
    I hope so.
    Still it is a risky game to pull on the crazy old lion’s beard.

    Perhaps so long as Rushdie Obama is merely “dangerous” and not a “terrific danger” he’ll avoid the crosshairs of the faithful:

    “You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don’t think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United … This is in our sphere of influence, so we can’t let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability.”

    Nevertheless:
    Careful what you ask for.
    Remember: These folks are loons!
    And Obama is but one measly adjective away from Hugo Chavez!

  • Ed Stephan said:

    . . . all of whom are nothing but con-men, hypocrites, perverts, and snake-oil salesmen.

    Ed,

    As a longtime snake-oil salesman (in the natural foods industry), I object to being lumped in with con-men, hypocrites, and perverts, but especially with Pat Robertson and his (b)ilk(ed).

  • Pat sees the Constitution as a veneer of freedom.
    He wants us all to have only those freedoms as allowed by Pat Robertson.

  • colonpowwow (#11),

    There is a pretty substantial article of snake-oil salesmen in Wikipedia. While “snake oil is a traditional Chinese medicine used to treat joint pain” I was employing “the most common usage of the words … a derogatory term for compounds offered as medicines which implies that they are fake, fraudulent, or ineffective.” Since religion is, imho, a “product with exaggerated marketing but questionable or unverifiable quality” the term seemed appropriate. Didn’t intend to offend.

  • Great post. I wonder if most Southern Baptists today remember that, up until the SBC was taken over by conservatives in 1979, that Southern Baptists had been at the forefront of the fight to keep church and state as separate as possible. Doubt it.

  • In a way, Obama set himself up for Robertson’s inevitable criticism with his flawed formulation: “…no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of non-believers.”

    Yes, that reflects that new religious flavors have been added to the once-dominant Christian culture. But when you’re talking about America as a republic, not a culture, we were never a “Christian nation.” This is the sense that Robertson means it — which is why it’s absurd for him to imply that the separation of powers or the Electoral College are somehow grounded in Christian doctrine. Obama could’ve explained (assuming he believes) that a secular nation doesn’t just leave room for non-Christians to join the party; it doesn’t even check religious IDs at the door!

    Even so, for anyone to make such a coherent secularist argument on CBN is a bold stroke. Robertson can dismiss it as a “veneer,” but I would hope that Americans can recognize genuine sophistication, intelligence, and moderation when they see it. (Hey, does that mean Robertson views himself as the model of moderation??)

  • Pat Robertson is the one who is dangerous. He and others of his ilk are the inspiration for abortion clinic bombings and the murder of Doctors, as well as being responsible for spreading hate and prejudice far and wide. That man is a con man and a charlatan who has bilked millions from the faithful in the name of Christian decency and made himself very rich and powerful in the process. If we lived in a truly just society, he would be serving a prison term for fraud. Obama lowered himself by appearing on the show because Robertson intended to assassinate his character before he even appeared since he wasn’t running as a republican. Robertson hides behind his religious credentials, but he is nothing but a tax free propaganda machine for the right wing.

  • Robertson doesn’t even fall back on the “Judeo-Christian” stuff – it’s all “Christian” and that’s it. Gotta wonder how Jumpin Joe Lieberman feels about that.

  • I’d be curious to hear what candidate Clinton has to say about all of this given her husband’s cavorting in various churches both as President and private citizen.

    I appreciate Obama’s remarks as well-considered if a bit late in the game. He isn’t exactly a stranger to pandering to a religious audience all the same. He appears to take Amy Sullivan a little too seriously.

  • Robertson’s little more than your average, run-of-the-mill “flim-flam fundie.” He’ll peddle whatever he thinks will get the most fear-induced donations from the infirm, the elderly, and the home-bound crowd who buys into such rubbish with minimal arm-twisting. Rex Humbard was doing it 60 years ago on the radio.

    Flim-flam-fundies, all of them. You want to shut the little porridge-head up, then find one Robertson-fan and convince them that they could put their money to better use by giving it directly to those in need.

    Free clinics; homeless shelters; homes for battered women/families—hell’s bells, give a buck to Habitat for Humanity instead of these flim-flam-fundies….

  • Robberson can find solace in that he might become the Minister of Ecclesiastical affairs under King George XLIV. — JKap, @2

    Out of curiosity… Why XLIV? Either he remains George XLIII, or else (much more likely) becomes George I, given that it’ll be a New America. No?

  • “Robertson doesn’t even fall back on the “Judeo-Christian” stuff – it’s all “Christian” and that’s it. Gotta wonder how Jumpin Joe Lieberman feels about that.”

    Good point! I happened across the 700 show one afternoon and had a listen.
    Good old Pat said he supposed we really needed to support the Jews. To hear
    the way he spat out the word Jew made my skin crawl. You could just tell poor Pat was so disgusted.

    JB

  • America and our democratic institutions were built on the Christian faith. There is no question about it….

    O RLY?

    Article XI of the Treaty of Tripoli begins thusly:

    As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion

    So who’s a liar, Robertson or George Washington?

  • look,politics and politicians are shit. When you mix Pat Robertson and christian religion with politicians and politics, what do you get? Pat and republiKKKans you all are full of SHIT! Oh Yea, one more thing,How are you,republiKKKans, treating those young boys in D.C.

  • Our country is religious but our nation is secular, and was founded upon secularism.

  • robertson is a mason and he knows that our country was founded on masonic and diest ideas. he is just making chaos because thats his job in the national spot light… order out of chaos…

  • “When I hear today’s embodiment of stupidity, Commander Codpiece (aka Conman-in-Chief), utter “God bless” it takes all I can do not to hurl a Latinate Harry Potter curse at the whole nation for its tolerance of the man’s unConstitutional behavior. ” -Ed in comment #6.
    Ed, I think someone already did point a wand at America and yell “Stupefy!”

    -Lala

  • Here’s some quotes that tend to disagree with Pat-

    Here is what our Founding Fathers wrote about Bible-based Christianity:

    Thomas Jefferson:

    I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.
    SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS,
    by John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short

    Jefferson again:

    Christianity…(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. …Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.

    More Jefferson:

    The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves…these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.

    Jefferson’s word for the Bible?
    Dunghill.

    John Adams:

    Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?

    Also Adams:

    The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
    Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:

    The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.

    Here’s Thomas Paine:

    I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible).

    Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to ‘God’ to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator’s name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible).

    It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.

    Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins…and you will have sins in abundance.

    The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.

    Finally let’s hear from James Madison:

    What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.

    Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote:

    Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.

    These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.

  • So, in other words, Robertson doesn’t want anyone making any moderate, sophisticated, intelligent comments about freedom of religion. Because…that’s not what Robertson’s christianity is about?

    Demcorats should save their breath trying to talk to crazy christians. The moderate christians are already supporting Dems. They’ll never get the conservative evangelical vote.

  • I certainly hope that Obama’s message here is consistently repeated to the more devout in the US, specifically becuase of Robertson’s response — simultaneously reliant upon history and utterly ignorant of it.

    Yes, the Framers were indeed largely pious, Christian men of their day. As such, they were eminently aware of the dangers in commingling government and religion, especially as concerns freedom (and as concerned the Enlightenment ideals of that day). Being good citizens and being good Christians are not mutually exclusive ideas, and a key reason for the separation rule.

    Robertson’s comments, ironically, smack of the Pharisees et al. trying to trick Jesus into commiting treason — over taxes, of all things — to which Jesus replied: “Then give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

  • I think what Robertson really fails to recognize (and really needs to examine) is the fact that, regardless of whether this nation was founded on Christian principles (I think good arguments can be made either way….and just so you know where I’m coming from, I’m a non-believer), the people who founded it and wrote the Constitution set it up as a ‘living document’. They realized that the world and time they lived in would change, and therefore, the country (and Constitution) needed to be set-up in a way that it could survive and evolve with these changes. Therefore, even if this country was founded as a Christian nation, as Robertson and many others would argue, it is not solely a Christian nation any longer and, whether Robertson and the others like it or not, the rest of us do have rights and interests that should also be considered and respected.

  • Ha! Shows what everyone from you guys to obama to robertson knows about US history. The US was founded as a theocracy by penguin separatists during the third ressurection of Lord Christopher Walken of the Chicken and Pears.

    Phaw!

  • Jesus never even existed. Robertson’s lord is a myth, which makes this cult even more of a treat to civilized society.

  • RELIGION… leads the root of all evil… money is a far second. Anybody who believes the Earth is only 6K years old, humans walked with Dinosaurs and tries to impose their delusions on the rest of us is a dangerous evil fool

  • Both PR & BO make the same mistake: by lumping “Christians” all together in one big happy group. At NO TIME in it’s 2K-history have Christians been united in their morality, interpretation or practice of their faith. The writers of the Constitution weren’t really concerned about non-Christian religions: they were concerned that one of Christianities many sects would take over & dictate to the rest of the country. Europe was still reeling from the centuries of constant brutality, suppression & outright warfare from the Reformation/Counter-Reformation, and it was a very valid concern. They were making the United States a safe place for (& from) Presbyterians, Lutherans, Puritans, Episcopalians, Catholics, Baptists, Quakers, and so on & so forth. I’m sure they also felt it a good idea to protect the Jews as well as Deists & agnostics.

    PT likes to present the (ludicrous) image that “Christians” are all the same, and that by doing so, he is encouraging the assumption that he is their leader. A nice trick, and one too easily fallen for by the left. Yes, the Evangelicals have a lot of influence, but their power comes from their money & their fanaticism. It does not come from their plurality. They are very much in the minority among Christian Americans. Most Americans, no matter what their faith, like to go with a “winner,” and so PT gets a lot of airplay by presenting himself as such.

    I think it would behoove the left to acknowledge the Evangelicals, but make it very clear that they are not representative of Christianity.

  • Assuming for a moment that the U.S. was, in fact, founded by evangeligal Christian zealots (which, of course, is an absurd proposition, as so well documented in previous replies) and that therefore the U.S. should always be run by evangelical Christian zealots, does Pat Robertson then believe that Britain should be run only by Celts, Picts, and the offspring of Roman soldiers; that Mexico should be run only by Aztecs; and that Greece should be run only by believers in Zeus and the accompanying plethora of gods and goddesses? For that matter, why shouldn’t the United States be run only by Native Americans? If he’s arguing that only the strongest and most recent conquerers get to make the rules and get to impose their religion on everyone else until they’re overthrown, then that’s not a very Christian attitude. But then again, no true Christians would confuse Pat Robertson with a Christian.

  • Really what he just won’t come out and say is he feels Christians are somehow special citizens and those that aren’t (or aren’t the right kind) are second class.

    And he’s one of the people that will whine about ZOMG Christians being oppressed.

    Hypocrite. And I really wonder if he thinks Jesus would act this way.

  • Does anybody remember or care that a number of our nation’s founders (Jefferson, Paine, Franklin, and many more) were NOT Christians? They were Deists. They totally rejected all of the so called miracles of Jesus, and did not recognize him as “the Saviour.” For Robertson to say we were founded as a Christian Nation is to deny the facts of history. Perhaps he is mistaking the founding of the nation with the Salem Witch Trials of the previous century?

  • Let me explain how this works from someone raised in a fundamentalist household. The more it makes sense, the more it reveals Satan’s stranglehold on human intellect and wisdom.

    In short, the more sense it makes, the more we should avoid listening to it. There’s really no way to win here.

    wow… that’s just sad…

  • I agree, that sounds like a pretty self defeating logic and yes; very sad indeed. Religion and Pat Robertson are the root of all evil and the scourge of any healthy social and political discourse. God said that, I “heard” him.

  • Our Nation was built on the premise of ‘SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE…That is why our forefathers came from England.and why our CONSTITUTION formed the ‘SEPARATION OF CHRUCH AND STATE. Religious dictatorship is what our ancestors escaped from. These radical Fundamental Religious Right people remind me so much of the fanatical Islamic we are in a war with…HELLOOOOO!
    But, how can anyone take Pat Robertson seriously? Well same like minded people, and THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE DANGEROUS!

  • Yes, anything that goes against what they think, in their way of thinking, has to be from Satan, and so it becomes a ‘HOLY WAR’ with Satan…So, there is no way to win with them. In fact, it eggs them on to think they are being ‘WARRIORS FOR THE LORD!”

  • Plus….it brings back some viewers they have lost and keeps the money in to have Pat Robertson and his like to show they are in a war against Satan….”See, we told you, and we need money to fight Satan. The coffers always fill up when something like this is going on…This is what they live for!

  • Robertson does (or DID) own a GOLD MINE with Liberian DICTATOR Charles Taylor.

    GOLD over GOD, Pat??

    What WAS that saying about a rich man gettting to heaven like a camel trying to get through the eye of a needle??

    Hmmmm…?

  • I love hearing the Reverend preach. He gets me so worked up, I could just, well you know. I’d do him in a heartbeat. He drives me crazy and as you know, he has to drive cause I get in trouble when I drive. xoxoxoxo, me.

  • You know, this meme that America was founded on Christian values is, well, wrong. The founding fathers were Deists, not Christians. Yes, they believed in a higher power but believed it existed within.

    So even Barack Obama is spreading this meme…

  • Allow me to make a clear historical distinction here that Christians tremble when they read it. The first colonies in America were found by Pilgrims, but our country was found by highly intellectual philosophers/revolutionaries. Jefferson & Franklin were Deists that recognize the danger of ALL religions, & that is precisely why they made sure to separate their government from ALL religions. Pat Robertson’s fundamental mistake is stating that the Pilgrims found our nation, but such statement is historically inaccurate. Again, Deists found our nation, & they envisioned nut cases like Robertson making ridiculous claims, like the one he stated against Obama’s religious views, & that is why they did not set up a theocracy under a Christian banner in America.

  • In April, 1997 two pilots who worked for Operation Blessing charged that planes linked to Robertson and his ministry flew mostly to haul equipment for ADC’s private diamond operation. Robert Hinkle, the chief pilot told reporter Bill Sizemore that of about 40 flights within Zaire during the half-year period he was there, “Only one or at most two” were related to the humanitarian mission of Operation Blessing. The rest were “mining-related.”

  • This is a must read article. One that you’ll want to forward to anyone that tries in vain to defend Robertson:

    http://www.msmagazine.com/sept03/sizemore.asp

    This one’s a dozy! It show’s how Robertson uses his non-profit status to further his personal wealth.
    How many are aware that he is in charge of a nuclear power plant his family owns in trust? Ever wonder why he hates environmentalists?

  • You can’t turn around without hearing some politician calling on the Almighty, and every catastrophe (e.g., Katrina) is addressed with multiple “Days of Prayer” (followed by years of misery). In keeping with the efficacy of prayer as expressed in Mark Twain’s LETTER FROM THE RECORDING ANGEL (highly recommended), I have composed an orison our Right-wing hypocrites can say in all sincerity. To wit:

    God of the hurricane, Lord of the quake,
    Bless the Armed Forces who kill for our sake.
    Give us our bread by the sweat of men’s brows,
    Protect every loophole our tax law allows.
    Deliver our bodies from ills wracking those
    Who suffer, unable to pay through the nose.
    Forgive us our National Debt — if You’re willing —
    As we all forgave the late Ken Lay and Skilling.
    Lead us not into court where a Liberal presides —
    In short, please preserve our Conservative hides!
    (Amen — Selah too)

  • I don’t believe God nor Jesus would allow this man, Robertson ,in thier house. How can anyone believe what comes from this empty suit, without even a soul. I as a Christian Love everyone and my relationship to my God dictates I even Love Mr Robertson, but my respect he has not earned and I will not give.

  • It will be a great day when people finally realize God and Jesus are creations of mankind, Not the other way around.

  • i thought that old mofo was dead. or was it the fat old mofo, falwell? hell, i can’t tell these nuts apart anyway.

  • I live out in Washington State which, though mostly moderate to liberal, is sorta schizoid in that the folks who are religious and conservative realy have it bad. Nowadays, some of these mouth breathers openly deride Democracy as evil on the grounds that it it’s insufficiently moral and needs to be replaced with literally God knows what. They’re keeping it under the radar but I’ll lay even money that the next terrorist attack comes from one of these guys.

  • Anybody remember Adolf Hitler saying to the people of Germany before WW11,
    ****GOD IS WITH US**** and everyone knows what happened to Germany. The FOOLS that believed that crap about religion are mostly dead now. ALL religions
    are bad for one’s health and have set mankind back a couple of thousand years. There’s one thing about Robertson though, he will die and rot like his dumbass buddy Falwell.

  • The “origins of our nation” to which Pat Robertson refers include slavery. Most of us have moved past the origins of our nation as the sole determinant of how we should live today.

  • Robertson is so out of touch with the public of this nation as well as reality. And I want to know why he was not arrested for his calls for killing off Chavez.

    Oh, if he reads this, Hinduism pre-dates Christianity by, oh, at least a thousand years. And there were other Sons of God/Saviours of Man before the myth of Jesus was created.

    Signed by a Follower of the Ancient Ones

  • This predator’s days are numbered.

    Adding to June’s orison:

    shut out the truth
    silence the host
    play the part of the holy ghost
    control the things that they need most
    then rape their souls from coast to coast (operation ‘blood diamond’ operations)

  • I hate the way that this frame page is set up. It provides a ‘Submit Comment’ tab before the anti-spam entry frame. Fix it, please…

  • I’ve typed gloriously, only to punch myself in the face for not remembering to scroll down farther.

    ORANGE – god hammick!

  • Robertsons is utterly predictable; what he says hardly seems worth commenting on.

  • “America wasn’t built by black people,” Robertson continued. “America wasn’t built by Asian people. America wasn’t built by Hispanics. America and our democratic institutions were built by the White race. There is no question about it…. And I think to put White people on a par with black people, Asians, etc., I believe this man is doing a grave disservice to our nation.”

  • Pat Robertson is EVIL and nothing but a money-hungry, power-hungry PHONY. I’m amazed that he has any following at all. How can anybody take this guy seriously?? He’s always calling homosexuals an “abomination” — well, to me, Pat Robertson is the abomination! He ought to keep his stupid trap shut and knock it off with his outrageous and ridiculous “predictions”. He makes a mockery of Christianity. The guy’s a sick joke.

  • your all idiots, and intellectually dis-honest and probably fat and or ugly too. I love the fact that you can’t change history as much as you try. This nation was founded on christian principles and there is nothing you all can do about it. Dribble on you pagan, sodomist loving baby killers…. I can’t believe that Jesus loves all of you and if any single one of you would have been the only person on the planet God still would have sent his son to die on a cross for you to redeem you from eternal death. To feel the repulsive disgust that I do for you democrates and to know that I am to love you as I love myself tells me that God still has a lot of work to do on me. I wish GOD would do another Sodom and Gamory on the select FEW in our nation and kill you, your wife, your children your animals, the grass trees and all plant life in your yard, destroy your houses and the very memory of your existance. You see because whether you believe it or not is irelevant, there is a soverign God who did destroy every living thing in Sodom and Gamory and you will stand before him one day. Go Hillary And Osama Go. This is the greatest present you all could have given the Republicans…..a women running for president and a black man running as vice-president. Your all so stupid… Good Job !!!
    I’ll be the one waving buy to you all with a smile on my face as you leave the thrown being lead off to eternal hell.
    See Ya.

    David Hopkins

  • Obama and possibly many others who look at the Christian faith with political, social and logical mindset would never get the true meaning of Christianity. To assume and project a political view to the Christian belief might be brilliant and acceptable to those who really have every reason to fight against the faith. Obama and company should understand that Christianity is more than social interaction and service attendance. Christianity is even more than the belief itself. You are either for or against the faith. There is no middle ground sustained by convenience or self motivated enthusiasm. Again, some of the comments on the board ought not to be reduced to insults, but should reflect our maturity and good sense of judgment to share objective opinion on issues. Name-calling or labeling is not the reasonable progression. If anyone cares to know, the very format of the governmental system; Presidency, Secretary of State, Congress etc that we have in this country were directly copied from the Church in Rome. I know some would file papers to court very soon for these to be changed. What a beauty is democracy! The spirit of the constitution of the United States of America was founded on the very doctrine of the Christian faith…such as liberty, justice and equality before the law. Other belief systems can speak for themselves. The legalistic approach of Obama to the issue of Church and State is political. Although, we must embrace the changing times and accommodate some adjustments, but it would also be very wrong to forget our roots. Just like the trip, Obama made recently to his father’s country in Africa. It simply represents that, while he is an American, he also recognized his ancestral root in Africa. Your root will always be your root. You cannot welcome expansion and destroy the foundation. You cannot separate your belief from your person. Obama is a good example to this fact with the above example. His prophesies do not match some of his performance. A careful observation of Obama’s views shows an academic mind, a good speaker and a blend that tries to portray finesse but needs flat hard surface to walk on. The name Barack Obama is a African and not American. change your name to reflect the influence of the American in you and your clamour for change.

  • Dear LaLa — I don’t know how else to reach you, but I’ve turned your pithy comment into my signature, viz:
    “I think someone pointed Harry Potter’s wand at America and yelled ‘Stupefy’!” — LaLa, 8/2007
    If you’d rather I didn’t use it, or would like a different attribution, please leave comment.
    Thanks!
    Connie

  • Obama should be smeared. He attends the church of the black David Duke for the last 20 years. And now I am scared of Obama. Very scared. His preacher talks like a very crass version of Hitler.

    I guess I must be the the only person who thinks that anyone who attends a church like this for 20 years, calls this guy his spiritual guide, has this guy marry him and baptise his children is alarming. Especially in the context of what we know his wife thinks.

    Seems to me like we are electing a black David Duke to office. Obama is just a smooth talking front for more racism and more hatred. Gotta go with Hillary. The thought of this preacher and louis Farakhan over at the white house “advisin’ ” makes me cringe. Sorry.

  • Re: David Hopkins post
    “your all idiots, and intellectually dis-honest and probably fat and or ugly too.”

    You need to capitalize and correct the spelling for “You’re” and “dishonest” needs no hyphen. Also, “fat or ugly too”??? What does that have to do with anything?? Are you twelve years old??

    “This nation was founded on christian principles and there is nothing you all can do about it”

    An astounding number of posts on this topic have provided an avalanche of evidence to the contrary. You, however, seem to believe that your own willpower is sufficient proof.

    “I can’t believe that Jesus loves all of you”

    Speak for yourself, there, buddy…

    “eternal death.”

    Oh stop it – if you’re dead, you’re dead. You don’t have to throw the “eternal” on it, for dramatic emphasis.

    “To feel the repulsive disgust that I do for you democrates”

    Who are the “democrates”? Neo-Greek philosophers?

    “God still has a lot of work to do on me.”

    Ya think??!??!?!??

    “I wish GOD would do another Sodom and Gamory on the select FEW in our nation and kill you, your wife, your children your animals, the grass trees and all plant life in your yard, destroy your houses and the very memory of your existance”

    This is great – Sodom and Gamory!!!! HA!!! You should really sober up before posting, pal. Here’s a question, though – if you’re already dead, why would you care if your grass was destroyed? Oh – and by the way, you think like a terrorist.

    “Sodom and Gamory” 2nd time

    Oh, enough already. It’s SODOM AND GOMORRAH. Sodom and Gamory sounds like a law firm. Why is it that I am agnostic and I know the bible better than you?

    “Your all so stupid”

    This is so ironic – the fact that you misspelled “you’re” TWICE while telling other people that they’re stupid.

    “I’ll be the one waving buy to you”

    Are you a stockbroker? I’ll be waving “sell” right back.

    I really hope your post was satirical. Because if it wasn’t, and you actually expect people to take you seriously, you are a sad, strange little man. Either way, your post was HILARIOUS and I very much enjoyed it. You’re a very funny guy.

    Thank you,
    – J

  • Let the muslim be president. Let us show our children how foolish and stupid we are. A trojan horse filled with more muslims licking their chops in high hopes Obama gets elected. What better way to destroy the United States from the inside out (like a microwave cooker). We are meat heads, fess up, we teach our children not to talk to strangers, but we turn around and trust our childrens future with a stranger? I had a good 8 years with the Clintons who cleaned up after one Bush, God help the next president elected to clean up after this mindless Bush who only knows how to $$$$ spend spend spend like a spend addictor in need of his next spending fix.

  • It appears that Robertson and Obama have butted heads in a less public environment.

  • Although I have no intention to vote for the naive Sen. Obama, I have not found any factual statement connecting him with any religion other than Christianity. Studying other religions is not beleiving in their teachings.

  • Robertson was right. Our country was founded on Christian beliefs and should continue on that Christian foundation. Its fine if you want to worship in some way that contrasts Christianity, thats your American right. But you must understand the majority rules and our God, the God, will hold precedent in this country. To accomadate every religion is absurd. If you want that to happen feel free to go to a country that supports your religion. Trying to change what God himself helped implement is dangerous and a slap in the face.

  • So I called the 700 Club to confess my sin – I’m voting for Obama. And you know what? They offered to pray with me. Yep. I’ve got to give credit to the CSR – she tried to say that she didn’t think that was a sin. I asked her, “then why would Pat Robertson say such bad things about him, and ask us to pray that the acceptance speech get rained out?” She said, “oh yeah, he did say something like that…he is pretty conservative.”

    It’s so scary that there are people in the world like Pat Robertson and even scarier that people follow this moron. Teaching people that voting for Obama is a sin?! WTF is wrong with you people?

  • To all the peeps who have quoted politicians stating how they felt about the bible, separation of church & state, the founding of the country NOT being christian. Well, there are people who are going to be against Obama no matter what you say to them, it’s like beating a dead horse! Doesn’t do a thing! I realize that you all probably already know this, I’m just stating it. I do not understand this mentality except that it might be referred to as, “ignorant”. I think it might be taking the easy way out actually. Instead of having to think logically, and reasonably, you can lay it all on God’s shoulder’s and have FAITH that things will work out. And of course they always do, if it’s not what you wanted, you say, “Well, it was God’s Will”. Not the sharpest tools in the shed….

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