‘It will be with us for the rest of the century’

When describing the nation’s counter-terrorism campaign, we generally hear quite a bit about a “generational” conflict, but John McCain kicked things up a notch the other day, claiming the “global war on terror” will last quite a few generations.

“I … firmly believe that the challenge of the 21st century is the struggle against radical Islamic extremism,” McCain said. “It is a transcendent issue. It is hydra-headed. It will be with us for the rest of the century.”

Josh Marshall pondered exactly what this claim means.

Now, think about that. That’s ninety-three years…. McCain states it as a matter of fact that the war against militant Islam will still be the defining national security threat for this country in 2099 and for years after.

I know we customarily give a rather wide berth to rhetorical excess in the theater of politics. But what on earth is McCain talking about? Not long ago it was enough to sate the historical vanity of the War on Terror mongers to dub it a ‘long war’ or ‘generational struggle’, which it may well be. But apparently even that is now insufficient. Only an entire century will do. It is almost as if as the concept in the real-world present looks more and more ill-judged and foolhardy its credentials must be buffed up by giving it more and more ridiculous lifespans ranging off into the unknowable future.

I think that’s true, but I’d add that McCain’s vision is, if anything, understating the timeline. Based on the hawkish take on the Middle East, a “war on terror” will last at least through the 21st century, and almost certainly beyond.

We are, after all, hoping to stem the tide of religious extremists committing brutal acts of violence. In Christianity, such religiously-inspired violence spanned about a millennium. Under McCain’s approach to this conflict, won’t we be combating Islamic extremists at least that long?

We’re engaged in an undefined, open-ended war against an undetermined enemy that spans several continents and is unaffiliated with any specific nation-state. I’m rather surprised McCain was willing to limit his vision to just the 21st century.

Indeed, as long as we’re looking at this in a big-picture kind of way, a McCain-like vision of a “war on terror” can’t end until we’ve “won.” I’m curious how those who share McCain’s ideology would define “victory” in this context.

When the Middle East is dominated by democracies? That won’t do it; people can vote for terrorists. When al Qaeda is destroyed? There are other networks that can and would take its place. When religious extremists are no longer motivated by their faith to commit acts of violence? That might, um, take a while.

For that matter, the political implications of this could be fairly broad. The administration and its allies argue, for example, that certain powers have to be extended to the federal government at this crucial time because, of course, we’re engaged in a war against terrorists around the world. Just as soon as the conflict is over, the president won’t have to ignore pesky laws like the 4th Amendment anymore. But in the meantime, we should all be patient. And if you’re not, you’re obviously soft on terror.

The “meantime” is indefinite, though, because there’s no foreseeable conclusion and we’re not sure who we’re fighting.

I feel better; how about you?

Fair enough.

We’ll continue our stuggle until we’ve reduced to the threat to the point where we can intercept terrorists when they’re just in the planning stages…

Catch them BEFORE they get materials for a dirty bomb.
Stop them BEFORE they invade a military base and shoot up the place…
BEFORE they set fires to gas pipelines under airports
BEFORE they gain expertise to make proper roadside bombs in London….

Hmmm…..

This isn’t frightening enough. We need more enemies. Who can we tick off?
Cheney! Get on it, man!
We needs people a-feared! Orange alert!

  • From all indications, it is not a prediction but the fervent wish of the Authoritarian party that the so-called WOT continue through generations. It’s their ongoing wet dream. Otherwise, we’d have done things to diminish treats and tensions rather than empower our adversaries. Instead, it’s full-speed ahead, straight to hell. Have a nice day.

  • Well, fortunately for us, the Middle East is new to this whole war thing and for the United States it’s old hat. 😐

  • In an effort to shore up faltering support with the GOP base, McCain now endorses war without end. And why not? Batsh*t crazy has become their gold standard for leadership.

  • Well, we know one thing for sure – we won’t have McCain with us for the next century, so what does he care if he resorts to over-the-top rhetoric?

    What I’d like to know is what we’re planning to do about the religious extremists in this country – the ones that want the Ten Commandments in government buildings, who want to legislate the tenets of their religion, who have decided that God must now be a part of every political campaign? How long before they adopt more frequent and more radical incursions on constitutionally guaranteed freedoms and rights?

    It seems to me that eliminating the kind of violence that was perpetrated upon us as a nation, and which is occurring against other nations around the world – is a worthy endeavor. It is just as worthy to stop the killings in our own cities and towns, committed by Americans against other Americans, isn’t it? Oh, wait – that’s just regular old crime – never mind. And if what is happening in Darfur is not worth trying to stop, I don’t know what would qualify.

    The world is a dangerous place – America is a more dangerous place, now that we have allowed the government to erode the kinds of things that used to afford us some kind of protection from being ripped from our beds in the middle of the night, never to be seen or heard from again.

    It may be a new kind of fight, because of the randomness of it, but where is our moral authority if we are, in effect, terrorizing our own citizens by making them afraid to talk, to send e-mail, to write letters to the editor, to protest the actions of our government?

    It’s not a war. Maybe it’s a “Safer World Initiative.” Maybe it’s a “Freedom From Fear Initiative.”

  • Well good. If it’s such a long-term problem then we can take the time to address it with long-term solutions like education, empowerment of individuals and communities, justce, etc.

  • How pathetically naive. The “war on terror” will continue as long as the American people continue to allow themselves to be a bunch of ignorant, fear-crazed bigots blindly allowing the thieves in Washington and their corporate owners to loot the U.S. economy and globalize poverty.

    “Terrorists” will be manufactured as required to keep the level of dread sufficient to maintain passive compliance from the peasants.

    To the extent that it exists at all, Al Qaeda is the CIA’s Foreign Legion.

  • Yep, we’ll never defeat a Nefarious Tactic or a Psychological State. There will always be nefarious tactics and psychological states, that’s part of the reason why it’s irrational to declare “war” against these things.

  • Anne hits upon a number of notions that are, I believe, simply convenient avenues for the mind-bending, nation-stealing propaganda campaign being leveled against us. While we are busy working ourselves into a frenzy hating enemies, standing ever more firm in our religious beliefs, believing that “security” is some sort of achievable goal, we relinquish our freedom to those who have catapulted the propaganda for exactly that purpose.

    The events of September 11, 2001, threw this nation into a temporary insanity which has yet to run its course. And if the authoritarians among us get there way, it will become permanent.

    We can get as outraged or frustrated or depressed as is our capacity, but what matters in the end is that we keep thinking clearly, paying attention, and understanding what’s really going on behind the insanity. That, and what we do to keep revisionist authorities from writing freedom out of the history books.

  • Hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis have been murdered by our forces(including contractors) just to kill a few hundred terrorists. Millions are homeless…lost everything because of America. Ask the grandparents and cousins of the brutally raped and murdered 14y/o whose family was murdered also by our soldiers how soon it will be before they stop hating us. Did I say us? I meant McCain and his ilk who pushed for this war policy. If this happened to you how long would it take for you and yours to let it go. And don’t bring up 9/11 because that had nothing to do with Iraq. That’s like attacking the Indians for Pearl Harbor. The horrors of the Bush/Cheney administration has taken hate and revenge on America to a new level we’ve not experienced before. If we were to punish our own then all of America need not be blamed and we just might gain some partial redemption for the crimes of a few.

  • I’m sure in the 1930s people in the U.S. thought that the struggle against fascism would last for decades. They were wrong.

    Do doubt people in the 1950s believed that the fight against international communism would take a century. They were wrong.

    We can’t predict the future.

  • Well, GWB implied back in 2001 that the GWOT is a continuation of the Crusades, so I say, what the heck, we might as well go for a full millennium (First Crusade, 1095) of clueless religion-driven stupidity and poorly planned stupidity-driven war.

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