A ‘complicated father-son dynamic’

I tend not to dwell on the Oedipal complexities of the president’s relationship with his father — Maureen Dowd seems to have the beat pretty well covered — but the NYT had a noteworthy piece today on the complex family dynamic.

There are times in the life of George Herbert Walker Bush, the 41st president of the United States and father of the 43rd, that people, perfect strangers, come up to him and say the harshest things — words intended to comfort but words that wind up only causing pain.

“I love you, sir, but your son’s way off base here,” they might say, according to Ron Kaufman, a longtime adviser to Mr. Bush, who has witnessed any number of such encounters — perhaps at a political fund-raiser, or a restaurant dinner, a chance meeting on the streets of Houston or Kennebunkport, Me. They are, he says, just one way the presidency of the son has taken a toll on the father.

“It wears on his heart,” Mr. Kaufman said, “and his soul.”

I don’t doubt it. I’m not a parent, but I suspect it has to be difficult to watch a son or daughter fail as spectacularly as George W. Bush has, and with such catastrophic consequences for the nation and the world. It has to be especially painful when the parent is himself a former president — a historical oddity — who probably wants to jump in and give his floundering son a hand.

We rarely hear about it, or see evidence of intervention, but the NYT piece notes that “the former president is not nearly so distant as the White House would have people believe.”

He is a frequent visitor to the White House. He still loves eating at the White House mess and has breakfast or coffee with Karl Rove, the president’s chief political strategist, whenever he comes, mostly to chew over political gossip. From time to time, he picks up the phone to talk policy with Joshua B. Bolten, the White House chief of staff. He called Mr. Bolten’s predecessor, Mr. Card, about every other week.

Mostly, said Mr. Card, who was transportation secretary to the elder Mr. Bush and views himself as “a bridge” between the generations, the father was simply checking on his son. But sometimes the ex-president would raise a foreign policy question, or suggest the White House reach out to those “in his circle,” like James A. Baker, the former secretary of state, or Brent Scowcroft, the former national security adviser, who has been openly critical of the war in Iraq.

“He made sure that I knew there were experts around that we should be reaching out to or listening to,” Mr. Card said, adding: “I never felt that the former president was trying to meddle in the responsibilities that the president had. But he cares deeply about his son.”

That’s actually kind of interesting. Bush 41 seems to be dropping subtle hints: “You know, I know some competent people you guys can talk to. If you want. No pressure. Here’s the number.”

As to what is said in private conversations between father and son, no one can be certain. When phone calls come in from Houston or Kennebunkport, White House aides make themselves scarce. But Mr. Card says it is clear to him that family talks were not always confined to family matters.

“It was relatively easy for me to read the sitting president’s body language after he had talked to his mother or father,” Mr. Card said. “Sometimes he’d ask me a probing question. And I’d think, Hmm, I don’t think that question came from him.”

Is Card saying intelligent inquiries were so unusual he assumed the president didn’t think of them on his own?

It’s an interesting piece. Take a look.

I’m not a parent, either. Yet I’ve got a mom, and while she respects my independence and appreciates my maturity, she still gives me advice, even if I don’t end up listening. Why hasn’t Bush Sr. told his son some ways to stop fucking everything up? Of course, Bush is under no obligation to listen, but unless Bush Sr. has tried and fallen on deaf ears, he has little reason to complain.

  • I don’t think George thinks he has failed. I think he considers his evil-doing a success. Herbert raised the sonofabitch, so let him suffer along with the American people from the outcome.

  • Mr. Card said. “Sometimes he’d ask me a probing question. And I’d think, Hmm, I don’t think that question came from him.”

    Yes, I would say the clear implication there is that when W. asked a “probing” (dare we read “intelligent”) question, his chief of staff immediately suspected it could not have originated with W. Are Limbaugh and the rest of the Wingnuts going to get the kives out for Card now they way they do on anyone who questions W’s intelligence?

  • Bush 41 seems to be dropping subtle hints: “You know, I know some competent people you guys can talk to. If you want. No pressure. Here’s the number.”

    What do you think the Iraq Study Group was?

    Clearly 41 wasn’t a coke-addicted retard like his son, but was still an evil president. He slaughtered 3000 helpless Panamanians and dumped them in mass graves in 1989. It’s a little hard to feel bad for him.

  • Boo fucking hoo. Who knows what Bu$h senior was involved in during his days at the CIA, and of course we all know old Prescott and his Nazi ties. The Bu$h family has no creed, they have no love of country, they are simply robber barons bilking our country of treasue to line their own pockets.
    I’m GLAD AS HELL that little georgie is a complete fucking moron and failure. Maybe his debacle of a presidency will rid our country of these scallywags once and for all.

  • “Maybe his debacle of a presidency will rid our country of these scallywags once and for all.”

    or maybe not. look at the current cast of characters running for president under the republican banner…………

  • The REAL problem is that Bush 41 didn’t take Bush 43 out behind the woodshed when he was young to teach the hooligan that he can’t always have his way, can’t lie and bully his way through life, that he isn’t the center of the universe. Essentially, Bush 43 began learning that there are no consequences for unacceptable behavior LONG before he came on the political scene, in the company of his parents. Values are taught by osmosis as well as directly in the family.

    I can only hope that George, Sr., and Barb say in privacy, “What have we wrought?”

  • I am a parent. My son is autistic. He’s twenty two now and a good kid who is actually very bright in some ways. I still intervene when he is about to make bad choices. I do it because I love him and I know his limitations. Bush Sr. and Babs were more interested in having another Bush in the White House – even if it was the “wrong” one – than they were in the welfare of the nation. If he had chosen to, Bush 41 could have made sure behind the scenes that his little boy did not run. As a last resort he could have come out in opposition to the son that he knew so well. He did neither. May he have continuous migraine headaches for the rest of his life – just like America.

  • The fact that he hasn’t gone to the White House and beat his little boys ass is proof enough that he is a bad father.

    If I was fucken up my life, much less the country, my dad would he here in a second acting like a parent and setting my ass straight.

    Look a juniors life, look at his siblings, Barbara and Sr are not good parents and just because senior didn’t totally fuck up the country, doesn’t mean jack, and it certainly doesn’t mean he knows how to run it or have any advise on how to do so.

    That article to me is Bush Sr trying to distance himself from his egomaniacal son.

  • Well, I am a parent of two daughters, one is 24, the other will be 21 in October. It’s true – you don’t ever stop being a parent, and you always worry, and you often wish they were still young enough to think you walk on water; that’s a wonderful stage that builds you up for the teen years, when they think your IQ is barely in double digits.

    With this father and this son, there is nothing new about the position they are in. This is not a case of a son who has led a spectacularly successful life, and who has, for the first time, encountered a few bumps in the road. No, this is someone who has failed and failed and failed, and his father is still trying to figure out how it’s possible that he continues to fail, despite all the help he is getting and which is there for him whenever he wants or needs it. Son hates that he has always been a screw-up, hates that Dad is always right, hates that Dad always has to come to the rescue. I would guess that son hates more of himself than his outward persona and big talk would seem to suggest.

    What these people should have done, instead of going into politics and public service, is go into family therapy. Instead of sending other people’s kids off to die because he is too stubborn to admit it was the wrong thing to do, he should have required his own children to join them in the group sessions. I, for one, am tired of this country, and too many young men and women, having to pay the price for one man’s insistence that his massive family dysfunction be played out on the national and world stage.

    I feel bad for any parent and child who are locked in a toxic two-step, but I feel worse for all of us, who are suffering the consequences.

    Hell, at this point, I would donate a few bucks to a fund to get them all into a nice facility, if it meant that would be the end of the Bush reign of terror. I’d even throw in a few bucks to make sure Cheney has an adjoining suite.

  • Boy do I hope the two Georgies thought to record their telephone calls. I also hope I live long enough to hear these conversations. They must be fantastic.

    “Daddy, I don’t like this Per-vez Moo-shar-if character. He smells like poor people and between his uniform and his dark skin tones I keep thinking he’s the waiter, Heh- heh!”

    “Son, don’t worry, he’s in the CIA’s pocket so deep he makes the hookers a the Skull & Bones retreat look like they are just picking lint off your slacks. If you want to order soup from him, go ahead.”

    “Thanks Daddy. I feel better now. Say, is Neil going to be at the summer house this weekend? I need to score some good weed?”

  • You know in his time, George W. Bush was considered by many to have been a man of questionable integrity (Iran/missiles/hostages, the 88 campaign…) and a pretty mediocre president at best. I tend to think his record was a little more mixed than all that but regardless, it remains that in contrast, by any relative measure, George Jr.’s performance in office makes his father look like a damned fine man and a great world leader — a feat that 8 years ago, many people on both sides of the political spectrum would have told you could never be done. How’s that for a father’s day present.

  • My thoughts here are that the apple really doesn’t fall that far from the tree. Daddy Bush may have kept a little more decorum around his corrupt activities, but Iran-Contra definitely illustrates that the corruption gene was already in play. Then if you look at the maternal contributions, combine the arrogance and the corruption of “what we can get away with” and Barb’s traits of vindictiveness, acute self righteousness, and wooden headed stubborness…and there you have it, a portrait of 43.

  • “…I suspect it has to be difficult to watch a son or daughter fail as spectacularly as George W. Bush has…”
    After a while, though, I’m sure 41 has gotten used to it. Has GWB EVER succeeded in anything (without dad’s help)?

  • They are, he says, just one way the presidency of the son has taken a toll on the father.

    “It wears on his heart,” Mr. Kaufman said, “and his soul.”

    Tuff-f’n-s**t. The Shrub is as blatantly a product of his upbringing as any human could be. The arrogance, the sense of superiority and privilege, the absolute denial of any responsibility. The total willingness to destroy anything that doesn’t look like himself. He is his mother and father’s son to the core and if a-hole senior is chagrined at the actions of a-hole junior, he’s got no one to blame by himself.

    Senior can redeem himself by shoving junior off the boat in Kennebunkport and letting him drown. Otherwise, he and junior are one and the same and every failure of the son is directly attributable to what his father raised him to be.

  • King George XLI is the patriarch of this oligarchy. As was Prescott Bush, the Nazi financier that plotted a fascist coup to overthrow FDR, before him. Lil’ Bush is just a lemming, a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

    If it’s true, I think it’s hilarious that King George XLI is displeased with his brood.

  • The whole family are scum, from the grandfather’s treason with the Nazis onward. The nuts didn’t fall far from the bush here.

    I only wish the submarine had failed to rescue the worthless sonofabitch in 1944 and he’d had his liver eaten on Chichi Jima by the Jap commander. He only abandoned his two crewmen when their airplane was hit, despite Navy training that if the pilot didn’t stick with the plane the crewmen had no chance to get out. Typical Bush family me-first-and-fuck-you activity.

    I hope they both die lingering and painful deaths.

  • Wow, reading through the above comments I see some pretty harsh assessments and I totally agree with every one of them. It’s impossible to feel sorry for GHWB. Sure he tried to save Chimpy’s ass through the Iraq Study Group but this son of his is so damn moronic and stubborn he’d rather rub his father’s face in it than take his advice or accept his help. And who ends up paying the price? We do! It’s a sick situation and the sooner we lose these dysfunctional Bushes from the public scene forever, the happier we all will be (despite the crap they leave behind). I hope there aren’t any little Bushes out there being groomed for “their place in history”…

  • I think he’s more heart sick because he’s witnessing the end of his “dynasty.” The Bush name is so tainted that any Bushling following Doofus will get a rather hard time.

  • I have little sympathy – oh some, yes. I can feel some empathy for Bush Senior.

    The thing is he doesn’t seem to have a hell of a lot of empathy for the country. Junior has screwed things up so bad it’ll take us a decade to recover, the Republican party is a corrupt mess of closet perverts, and we’re here watching our economy totter around like Bush junior at a frat party. And HE feels bad?

    Here’s a thought Poppy – do something hard and fatherly that stops Junior.

    The Bush name is tarnished for a century to come. And I say good.

  • George H. W. knew what Junior was like-Babs with a penis-and, if anyone could have, he could have predicted the sort of president Junior would make. He could have aborted the this mess back in the 90’s. He didn’t. He bears full responsibility.

  • If Bush Sr. was a real patriot, he would have stopped Lil’ Moron from running for anything, except the toilet after a good night’s drinkin’. No, this parent feels no sadness for Sr.–just for our country which is having a tough time surviving his evil son. Perhaps he and Bar should be charged as accessories to murder (of our Democratic way of life).

  • He still loves eating at the White House mess and has breakfast or coffee with Karl Rove, the president’s chief political strategist, whenever he comes, mostly to chew over political gossip.

    Interesting. Do they discuss old times as well?

    Sources close to the former president say Rove was fired from the 1992 Bush presidential campaign after he planted a negative story with columnist Robert Novak about dissatisfaction with campaign fundraising chief and Bush loyalist Robert Mosbacher Jr. It was smoked out, and he was summarily ousted.” –Ron Suskind, Why Are These Men Laughing?

    Like father, like son?

  • Looks like the sympathy train for GHWB is having a bit of trouble getting out of this particular station, and rightly so.

    I’d just like to add that it was senior’s capos that oversaw the Florida recount/theft in 2000. George, the elder is as responsible for junior’s clusterfuck as anyone.

    Let’s hope this disaster is enough to put the dynasty down for good. Jeb, George P., and other scum yet unspawn would likely be more than our country could handle.

  • Gosh! The commentators here have as much sympathy for the father/son Bushes, as Son Bush had/has for the people of New Orleans.

  • Anyone who was paying attention knew what kind of President Shrub would be. He’s just as bad as expected and even worse than could be imagined.

  • A long ago analysis by the Village Voice (which I still have) of the almost forgotten Savings & Loan scam showed how other Bushs, in addition to Neil, and their cronies (including James Baker) all made a bundle at taxpayer expense from that raid on the treasury. It also demonstrated that none of them really had any visible means of support. None of them ever had to work very much for a living. Life is sweet for the Bushs.

    Bush Sr., a none-too-bright lapdog to power, always moved to right when he was in political trouble, abandoned his support of abortion to become Reagan’s VP, and basically never stood for much that didn’t benefit rich people. Baker was and is his consigliere, and he was the recount strategist in Florida that stole the election from Gore in 2000. By claiming pain and suffering because of the accurate if nasty comments he hears about his delusional spawn, on VERY rare occasions, Senior is merely protecting his own ‘legacy’ and deflecting the well-earned disgust and disdain his wastrel son has generated.

    Sympathy for the father? Zero. Condemnation for the son? Total. It will take a century for this country, if it even survives the damage they have done, to live down the Bush criminal dynasty.

  • Gosh! The commentators here have as much sympathy for the father/son Bushes, as Son Bush had/has for the people of New Orleans.rukus

    That’s a bad analogy rukus. I think these are better.
    Junior is to the United States as Katrina is to New Orleans.
    Senior is to Junior as global warming is to Katrina.

  • I always thought HW was a pretty mediocre President. And he actually won my grudging respect when he went against his own tax pledge and raised taxes. The more distance we got from Reagan’s and 41’s Presidencies, and the dirtier stuff that has slowly dribbled out, has made me revise my estimation of a middling president downward. But because Dubs has been so blatantly, patently horrible as President, and 43 is not that much different than 41, I’ve had to scale back my assessment even further. So Dubs is now, and forever shall be worst ever, And HW is only like 4 or 5 above him so, I’d put him around 38th or 39th best (g)

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