Giuliani makes his case

When it comes to foreign policy and national security, Rudy Giuliani is in an untenable position: he’s inexplicably decided to base his entire presidential campaign on subjects he knows nothing about. At some point over the last six years, Giuliani got it in his head that being the mayor of a city attacked by terrorists necessarily makes that person an expert on keeping Americans safe.

With surprising frequency, Giuliani struggles to hide his ignorance about his signature issue. He can’t answer policy questions coherently, he can’t debate the issues persuasively, and he can’t explain his beliefs rationally. Indeed, most of the time, Giuliani is an embarrassment to himself, though he’s a little too arrogant to realize it, and GOP primary voters are a little too gullible to question it.

As it turns out, however, Giuliani’s campaign has come to realize that if their candidate is going to be taken seriously, they’ll have to do what Giuliani can’t: describe a foreign policy platform that he would implement if elected. The result is this article in Foreign Affairs, the magazine of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Now, from the outset, let’s recognize that the Giuliani campaign considers this an important article. Its contents are not just off-the-cuff remarks made an unprepared and inexperienced candidate; this is an article ghost-written by a presidential candidate’s top foreign policy advisors (all of whom are neocons). It’s safe to assume that a large team of trusted aides went over the piece with a fine-tooth comb, making sure it reflects exactly what Giuliani would do as president.

And after having read the piece, I can safely say that Giuliani is as nutty as a fruitcake. His approach to foreign policy is spectacularly dangerous, irresponsible, and stupid. Imagine Dick Cheney with a loaded gun in one hand, and an empty bottle of antidepressants in the other, and you can start to get the idea.

I don’t want to reinvent the wheel here, so I’ll point to a couple of my favorites takes on the Giuliani piece from others. First up, Yglesias:

Giuliani thinks that “we must understand that our enemies are emboldened by signs of weakness” so any expressed desire to cut deals actually undermines our safety and invites attack. The result is a chilling vision of a world where peace can only be achieved through American military domination. […]

This has been the kind of thinking that’s animated the Bush administration at its very worst moments. You get the immediate problem that America’s military edge can be countered by nuclear weapons. So it becomes very important to prevent countries from getting nuclear weapons. This can’t be done through the UN-backed process of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and international law, or even through diplomacy more generally, because that would signal weakness. The only tools available are coercion — military and economic. Of course, signaling an American desire to invade lots of countries only makes other countries more eager to get nuclear bombs. What’s needed, then, is a credible threat to fight a whole series of wars.

James Joyner, meanwhile, (a conservative who used to support Giuliani’s candidacy) described the former mayor as “batshit insane.”

The more I hear and read, though, the more I think Giuliani is either a charlatan or a simpleton. Either he’s lying to us and we therefore have no idea what his foreign policy will be or, worse, this is what he really thinks. […]

Essentially, he wants to massively increase a defense budget that already spends more than the rest of the countries on the planet combined so as to buy more submarines and anti-missile systems to protect us against a land-based guerrilla movement. We’re then going to use that military to go in, apparently, to topple every regime we don’t like and to wipe out every instance of non-democratic badness and spend decades occupying those countries. All, of course, while winning friends and influencing people.

I’ve seen some analyses suggest that Giuliani would be a continuation of the Bush policy. That’s false. Giuliani seems to believe that Bush has been weak and compliant, and what we really need is to be far more forceful in opposing diplomacy, using force, beating allies into submission, and leading through fear.

It’s impossible to excerpt — the piece needs to be read to be appreciated, but like Jim Henley, I was struck by this one sentence from Giuliani’s article:

Aspiring dictators sometimes win elections, and elected leaders sometimes govern badly and threaten their neighbors.

Giuliani seems to have missed the irony.

Imagine Dick Cheney with a loaded gun in one hand, and an empty bottle of antidepressants in the other…

I can dream, can’t I?

  • They prove my point every single day. Republicans advance by out-crazying each other. Giuliani’s ‘position’ is a stream of gibberish festooned with the occasional buzzword. Random syllables can’t be far behind.

  • Mr. Furious: that’s laugh-out-loud funny!

    A pal of mine who is an odd mix of social liberal, fiscal conservative, and extreme national defense hawk says that Rudy is his favorite presidential candidate because “He’s more reasonable on social issues.” If my pal considers “confusing” to be a synonym for “reasonable” then I suppose he has a point.

    I think that Rudy is the scariest presidential candidate by far, but I’m not as optimistic as the Carpetbagger has been in some of his posts that Rudy’s candidacy will melt down before long. The Republican base has only a tenuous grasp on reality at best, and is easily impressed by demagogic tough-talk on matters both foreign and domestic. Rudy’s new articulation of his so-called foreign policy should only make the base’s love for him grow stronger.

  • An empty headed ego maniac. How can anybody be taking this guy seriously? The country he wants to be president of doesn’t exist. I’d say “batshit insane” is putting it mildly. Until his presidential bid he thought “foreign policy” was Puerto Rican life insurance.

  • A realistic peace is not a peace to be achieved by embracing the “realist” school of foreign policy thought.

    That sums it up for me. He needs to throw out reality to get what he wants.

  • The humorous/scary thing is that this is almost exactly what Bush was like before he was elected the first time. Never mind the second time. “Oh what a tangled web we weave . . . “

  • Obama – somewhat loose statements about pursuing OBL into Pakistan regardless of the wishes of the Pakistanis, so he’s supposed inexperienced, dangerous, and unfit for the presidency.

    Giuliani – wants nuclear submarines to fight the GW-GWOT and wants to invade anyone who looks at us funny, so he’s no doubt going to be painted as a masterful foreign policy expert who should be taken seriously.

    Okay.

    Swallowing that was thirst-making work. Can somebody pass me the Kool-Aid please?

  • I don’t think anyone should be surprised that this is his view of foreign policy. It lines up pretty much with his governing philosophy as mayor — never back down, say a giant “fuck you” to your opponents, and use the threat of massive use of force as the only weapon in terms of confronting the problems facing NYC. And unfortunately (for his potential governing philosophy), it appeared to work to some extent, so now he thinks he’s hit upon some universal principle. Let’s just put it this way: if god forbid he becomes President, and he behaves the way he did as Mayor, then we will be longing for the good ol’ days of Bush.

  • “Reality”? Without conscription (a Draft) where is Rudy going to get the troops to fulfill “his Bush-Cheney foreign policy on steriods”? Rudy may be “an empty headed ego maniac,” but he may also have an ass full of cannon fodder on which to draw.

    Speaking of the Draft …

  • Terrorists’ War on Us

    Why is this capitalized? Are they floating the new mantra? Dayum but these people are stupid.

    Here’s what I got from the 1.5 pages I was able to stomach:

    American’s love war and hate peace because we’re cool and love God. But it’s going to take a long war, a war that began with the first WTC attack (not sure why they mention this, it raises questions about the location of the NYC ERC), a war that is still in its early stages nearly 15 years later and could go on for who knows how long until peace and rainbows breakout over the world.

    So. We hate war, love peace, don’t have a fucking army (ten new combat brigades? Sure, I’ll check e-bay), but we’re supposed to vote for a guy who wants to embroil us in the war of the millennium against a widely dispersed, diverse, hard to identify enemy.

    bjobotts is right. “Batshit insane” is too mild a term.

  • We are all members of the 9/11 generation.

    I can’t bring myself to read it, it’s just so painfully awful.

    Everyday is 9/11 in the Reich Wing Authoritarian Alternate Reality (RWAAR) of Rudolf “Hess” Giuliani.

    In Rudolf’s sinister mind, everyday in the United States:
    4 commercial jetliners vaporize.
    3 steel-framed skyscrapers completely collapse at near free fall speed.
    NORAD’s defenses stand-down.
    Dick Cheney runs war games.
    George Bush reads about a pet goat.
    the nose of a Boeing 757 penetrates 9 feet of steel-reinforced concrete.
    19 hijackers under the direction of a man on kidney dialysis in a cave manage a 75% success rate, hijacking commercial jetliners and piloting them into buildings with astonishing accuracy, maneuvering in ways that even commercial airline pilots say that even they could not have pulled off.

    Yes, according to Rudolf, because of all of that, we must give up the American Way of Life and become a totalitarian police state to “to build a lasting, realistic peace.”

    And they say Ron Paul is nuts.

  • A pal of mine who is an odd mix of social liberal, fiscal conservative, and extreme national defense hawk says that Rudy is his favorite presidential candidate because “He’s more reasonable on social issues”.

    Giuliani, given his post-Decalogic personal life, is the only candidate that actually scares me….if he wins the nomination, he can win the general, because voters like this guy are dirt-common.

    Assume arguendo, that for every turned-off fundie who looks at Giuliani and stays home, a fear-addict, or authority-worshiper, or closet racist, who couldn’t otherwise bring him or herself to vote for a southern, Talibornagain Republican comes off the bench.

    Are we sure the former outnumber the latter? Is the superego vote really bigger than the id vote?

    Because we could be gambling the Republic on it.

  • Assume arguendo, that for every turned-off fundie who looks at Giuliani and stays home, a fear-addict, or authority-worshiper, or closet racist, who couldn’t otherwise bring him or herself to vote for a southern, Talibornagain Republican comes off the bench.

    You’re absolutely right, Davis, except for one thing: Also coming off the bench are soccer moms who’ve seen Rudy on Oprah and think he’s a sweet, sad man who suffered greatly on 9/11, all because he speaks in a soft voice and loves his wife and doesn’t wave weapons in public.

    According to a Forbes poll, only 3% of Americans think Rudy is “mean” or “rude.” Only 5% think he’s “cold.” Only 7% think he’s “creepy.” But 20% think he’s “approachable” and 22% think he’s “compassionate.”

    Maybe you really can fool all the people all the time.

  • For anyone interested, I just wrote a post on Martin Kramer, Giuliani’s new Senior Middle East advisor:
    Giulian’s Banana Brain

    A quick scan of his blog shows him to not only be a big wacko, but a HUGE dork. And in a neo-con, no less. Go figure. And yes, this guy’s plan for dealing with the middle-east is to expose their plan for world domination and attack. Great.

  • Actually our enemies (in this case) are products of a culture wherein nearly everything is negotiable. The purchase of a pack of chewing gum can be a process involving ten minutes of haggling over the price. In fact the only you’ll ever get anywhere with them is by negotiating (and negotiating, and negotiating). Given an ultimatum and they tend to assume it’s just your opening offer. Also some folks in that part of the world are still just a teeny bit angry about the Crusades, so if we find they don’t really respond the way we hoped to that “whole series of wars” thing after all, that might be part of the reason.

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