Thompson blames Clinton for military problems

Of all of Bush’s misstatements from the 2000 presidential election, one of the most obviously-false attacks was on military readiness. Indeed, then-Gov. Bush blamed Clinton and Gore directly for “hollowing out” the military. “If called on by the commander-in-chief today, two entire divisions of the Army would have to report, ‘Not ready for duty, sir.'” BC00 campaign aides later acknowledged it was a bogus charge, but that didn’t stop Bush from repeating it. A lot.

Nearly eight years later, Fred Thompson has apparently decided he wants to borrow the same argument.

The U.S. must rebuild its military to fight global terrorism because leaders “took a holiday” in the 1990s after the end of the Cold War, undeclared presidential candidate Fred Thompson told war veterans Tuesday.

“Some people in this country think if we can pull out of Iraq, our problems will be over,” Thompson told the Veterans of Foreign Wars. “You and I know better than that.”

“Now we’re stretched too thin, and our equipment is wearing out,” said Thompson.

When I first heard that Thompson had told the VFW convention that the military readiness has been weakened, I thought he might be taking a subtle shot at Bush. No such luck; he’s blaming Clinton’s policies from the last decade for today’s military problems. How very odd.

Indeed, here’s the exact quote: “Our country was not prepared for our current situation. We took a holiday from history in the 90’s. We cut our military, our procurement and our research and development. Now our military is stretched too thin. We are wearing out our equipment. Our intelligence capabilities are inadequate.”

Most Republican presidential candidates are struggling a bit right now to figure out how, exactly, to keep Bush at arm’s distance. They don’t want to rebuke him (and offend the GOP’s far-right base), but they don’t want to embrace him (and become tarnished by Bush’s failures and unpopularity).

Thompson, however, apparently is trying the novel approach of actually trying to be Bush.

As for the “substance” — I use the word loosely — of Thompson’s claim, as long as the actor-lobbyist-senator is going to criticize Clinton’s military policies, we might as well set the record straight.

Far from taking “a holiday from history,” Clinton fought two wars — and won them both.

Most Americans probably don’t remember the precise outcomes of—much less the circumstances leading up to—those small Balkan conflicts. But I can’t forget them. I covered the end of the war in Bosnia as a reporter and was a speechwriter in the Clinton White House during Kosovo. In both cases it was clear, at least to me and my Balkan-obsessed friends, that Serbian strongman Slobodan Milosevic was engineering ethnic slaughter for his own political ends; that both conflicts, happening in the same country that sparked World War I, could spill over into neighboring states; and that Europe, by itself, was incapable of ending the violence.

America, in my opinion, had no option but to get involved militarily. But much of the national security establishment wasn’t so sure, because the prospects for success seemed so grim. Religious and ethnic enmities in Yugoslavia were, if anything, worse than those in Iraq (at least until recently). At home, Clinton faced a far tougher political environment than Bush later would on the eve of the Iraq War: a hostile Congress controlled by the opposite party; a military that deeply distrusted him; and a pre-9/11 voting public that did not feel that the security of the nation was threatened in any direct way. The administration compounded these problems with a series of mistakes—from its initial half-hearted effort to sell the Europeans on a military strategy for Bosnia to underestimating Milosevic’s resolve to hold on to Kosovo.

And yet both conflicts ended with impressive military victories. In Bosnia in the summer of 1995, Croat and Muslim ground troops, armed (and, in the case of the Croats, trained) with tacit U.S. government support, routed the Serbs in southern Croatia and eastern Bosnia, while U.S.-led NATO air and naval forces pounded Bosnian Serb military positions with smart bombs and Tomahawk missiles. That one-two punch forced Milosevic to sue for peace at the Dayton Accords. Then, in March 1999, after 300,000 Kosovar Albanians had been driven from their homes by Serb troops fighting Kosovo Liberation Army guerillas, NATO launched another air war, this time hitting Kosovo and Serbia proper. Seventy-eight days later, Milosevic pulled his forces out of Kosovo.

We achieved these victories—whether by luck, skill, planning, or some combination—without the loss of a single American soldier’s life in combat. Most important of all, we won the peace, deploying multinational occupation forces sizable and robust enough to keep a tense but reasonably democratic order—an order that holds to this day. As for Milosevic: he was forced from power the next year by a nonviolent democratic mass movement and sent to The Hague, where he died in 2006.

To put this achievement in perspective: no Democratic president since FDR has launched and won a war. Clinton won two.

I’d just add, by the way, that when Bush sent troops into Afghanistan to rout the Taliban, he did so with the military Clinton left for him.

Grampa Fred must be reading from the same book as Rudy, since they’re both suddenly coming out with the “Those fools spent the peace dividend!” argument.

  • He’s trying to construct an entire presidential campaign out of Free Republic discussion threads. It would be laughable if there weren’t the terrifying prospect that he could actually win by doing that.

  • “Some people in this country think if we can pull out of Iraq, our problems will be over,” Thompson told the Veterans of Foreign Wars. “You and I know better than that.”

    Nobody thinks that.

    I’d prefer Hillary face Thompson than Romney.

  • I’d prefer Hillary face Thompson than Romney. -Haik Bedrosian

    Why? She’d lose to either one. I hate to agree with Karl Rove, but there are some Americans in the middle who will never vote for Hillary. States like Indiana with a chance to go blue will stay solidly in the red column if Hillary is the candidate.

    Now, I know you have yourself convinced the that once and future queen is the undisputed candidate, but for some of us who aren’t convinced of anyone yet, your fawning devotion is nauseating.

    Frankly, I think Thompson would walk all over Hillary. If the past two Presidential elections have taught us anything it’s that you don’t have to be smart, win debates, or have and understanding of the world around you to win. You have to be liked, and that is something that Hillary can not overcome.

    So pardon me if I’m not quite as enthusiastic about the hypothetical you adhere to, and frankly hope that it happens just about any other way.

  • i disagree with doubtful. i think any one of the current democratic frontrunners could easily beat any one of the current republican frontrunners.

  • At the end of 2001, Bush sent the “hollowed out” U.S. military (that he had inherited from Bill Clinton less than a year earlier) to Afghanistan, where they promptly accomplished their mission of getting rid of the Taliban. That would make THREE wars won by Clinton’s “hollow” military.

    Actually, our “hollowed-out” military also did an admirable job in the invasion of Iraq. “Mission Accomplished,” remember? That would count as victory number FOUR. Too bad that a fool sent them there on a fool’s errand.

  • Say, Fred… Weren’t you part of the government during that time period? A senator in fact. I don’t remember any fiery speeches from the former Admiral Painter regarding military preparedness.

    Or were you just too busy chasing tail?

  • doubtful, I’m not sure likability will be as significant in this election. a lot of people i know who didn’t like Kerry are coming to understand that the guys you have a beer with probably aren’t who you’d want running the country. i think for every male Reagan Dem or indepedent that wont vote for Hillary, she gets a vote from a moderate suburban Republican woman.

    as for the CB post itself, I can’t believe anyone but the most rabid right will buy Frederick of Hollywood’s nonsense. Lets assume for a moment that all of the egregious lies are true: Clinton/Gore spent 8 years doing nothing but starving the military. How does that relate in any way to the fact that the armed forces have missed recruiting targets nearly every month this year? How is it that all-powerful Commander in Chief Bush has not managed to improve the situation in over 6 years? And why does it matter, since Cheney/Rumsfeld told us we’d only be there a few weeks? Nothing about “Its Clinton’s Fault!” explains any of that.

    Is that his best shot? Call it his David Caruso moment: he’d have been better off sticking to a successful TV gig.

  • Stupid Bill Clinton! How did he not foresee that, once he left office, this country would need a military capable of slogging out an endless quagmire founded on bogus claims and led by incompetent assholes?

  • Al Franken has told the story a number of times of how he said to Paul Wolfowitz “Clinton’s military really did a great job in Afghanistan, huh?”

    Wolfowitz responded by with a typically pleasant “fuck you.”

  • Doubtful #4-

    Unless Ron Paul happens to win the Republican nomination, I will vote for whichever Dem is nominated- Obama, Clinton, Kucinich- whomever.

    You will also vote for the Democratic nominee won’t you? Even if it’s Clinton, right?

    I’m just saying I think Thompson would be easier to beat than Romney.

  • Zeitgeist, just bill,

    I know it’s anecdotal, so I in no way accept it as hard evidence, but my in-laws are die hard Republicans. They have said they’d consider any Democrat except Hillary. She’s off the table before the table even exists. I’m sure that feeling is pervasive. I’d love to have something to back it up. I mean, something other than the poll that shows how much she is disliked.

    I think you are misunderestimating (see what I did there?) the average American, especially in the Midwest. There is a deep seated dislike of all things Clinton and I believe Thompson’s easy going (simple) manner will sell like corn.

    The GOP are masters of the campaign. To believe that they can’t sell Thompson to American is to repeat the same mistakes of 2004 when Kerry was going to sail to victory.

    Politics is about convincing those who haven’t made up their minds yet. Sounds like Hillary has a lot less of those to work with and I’m not looking forward to risking the most important US Presidential race in history on a smaller slice of the undecided pie.

  • It is so tiresome to hear the infernal, interminable ultra-NeoCon ramblings of anational, amoral, imperial corporatists such as Frederick of Hollywood.

    To no one’s surprise, to listen to Thompson tell it the only solution to the threat of terrorism is never-ending war, occupation, American Imperialism and global domination. How is what he and Rudolf, et al. offer any different from the premise of One World Government? Case in point, there is not a “democracy” in Iraq, but totalitarianism. Thompson, like the rest of the NeoCon Brotherhood, do not offer leadership through courage, they offer perpetual intimidation through the psychological trauma of fear, hatred, and lust for vengeance. These are not the substance of a legitimate campaign platform, but the very nefarious tactics that the NeoCon Klan claims to defend against and make “war” with.

    Concerning our National Security (not to be confused with Iraqi National Security), I would defer to the wisdom of Abraham Lincoln, as opposed to the bigotry of Fred Thompson:

    “At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”

  • You will also vote for the Democratic nominee won’t you? -Haik Bedrosian

    Yeah, probably, but I’m a self-identified Democrat. It’s the undecided and moderate GOP that I’m worried about.

    To be honest, I hope I’m wrong if it comes down to it. Just accept that I am cynical to a fault, hence the pseudonym and tired of getting my hopes up only to have them dashed by poor campaigning.

    Let’s also not forget, they cheat.

  • doubtful: ” I hate to agree with Karl Rove, but there are some Americans in the middle who will never vote for Hillary.”

    Just yesterday, Kos posted some poll results. Let’s take a look:

    Alabama:
    Clinton 44
    Giuliani 50
    ———–
    Clinton 47
    Thompson 49
    ———–
    Clinton 48
    Romney 46
    ——————–
    Kentucky:
    Clinton 49
    Giuliani 44
    ———-
    Clinton 51
    Thompson 44
    ———-
    Clinton 53
    Romney 41
    ——————–
    Virginia:
    Clinton 49
    Giuliani 46
    ———–
    Clinton 51
    Thompson 42
    ———–
    Clinton 53
    Romney 39

    The trends in all those matchup are also in Clinton’s favor. The best Republicans can say is, “Rudy still beats Hillary in Alabama” — which probably won’t be true once he actually campaigns there.

    Clinton isn’t my favorite, but you can’t say she’s unelectable when she can beat the GOP frontrunners in Red states.

  • RE Hillary Clinton won’t win if she is the nominee.

    First of all, in light of the closeness of the 2004 election and the seismic shift in 2006, I can’t see Hillary not carrying every state that Kerry did. Ohio is going blue this time for certain. There’s your win. Then add in some other states that will, indeed, flip blue along with Ohio – like Kentucky, Arkansas, and a few more, and Hillary wins in a walk.

    Also, I live in Indiana, and no way is any Democrat going to win Indiana anytime soon. It wasn’t even close in 2004. Just MHO.

  • Of course, this again forces me to add another verse to my entry for Freddy Thompson’s campaign song. My sincere apologies to music majors and anyone else with taste and breeding who may be reading this.

    (Sung to the tune of “Davy Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier:)

    Bored representing ol’ Tennessee,
    Greenest state in the land of the free.
    Moved up to K Street in Washington DC
    To lobby for the rich and powerful, you see

    Freddy, Freddy Thompson – Acting King of the Wild Frontier

    Muddied every creek as a GOP whore,
    Said war is peace and peace is war.
    And while he was handling this bushy chore,
    Compared himself with legends on Fox News 4.

    Like Daniel Boo . . . uh . . . I mean . . ., Davy Crockett – Whatever! . . . from Tennessee.

    He went off to Congress and served a spell
    A lawyer for the lawless writing laws so well.
    They took over Washington, and I heard tell,
    Stuffed our rights up the crack in the Liberty Bell.

    Freddy, Freddy Thompson, seein’ his duty clear.

    Didn’t come home, when his term was done,
    Thar’s money to be made with the friends he’d won.
    Dust off the red pickup, time to use it some
    Fixin’ up his act for a Presidential run.

    Now a family planning group said Honest Fred
    Lobbied to help them kill some fetuses dead
    Ol’ feller looked like he’d been kicked in the head
    So he said “Family who?” and lied instead.

    Freddy, Freddy Thompson, Acting King of the Wild Frontier.

    Bored representing ol’ Tennessee,
    Greenest state in the land of the free.
    Moved up to K Street in Washington DC
    To lobby for the rich and powerful, you see

    Freddy, Freddy Thompson – Acting King of the Wild Frontier

    Muddied every creek as a GOP whore,
    Said war is peace and peace is war.
    And while he was handling this bushy chore,
    Compared himself with legends on Fox News 4.

    Like Daniel Boo . . . uh . . . I mean . . ., Davy Crockett – Whatever! . . . from Tennessee.

    He went off to Congress and served a spell
    A lawyer for the lawless writing laws so well.
    They took over Washington, and I heard tell,
    Stuffed our rights up the crack in the Liberty Bell.

    Freddy, Freddy Thompson, seein’ his duty clear.

    Didn’t come home, when his term was done,
    Thar’s money to be made with the friends he’d won.
    Dust off the red pickup, time to use it some
    Fixin’ up his act for a Presidential run.

    Now a family planning group said Honest Fred
    Lobbied to help them kill some fetuses dead
    Ol’ feller looked like he’d been kicked in the head
    So he said “Family who?” and lied instead.

    Now is he runnin’ or is he ain’t?
    He’s more elusive than a graveyard haint
    Talkin’ trash ‘bout Bill like his kissin’ cousin Bush
    While the other Clinton’s fixin’ to kick him in the tush.

    Freddy, Freddy Thompson, Acting King of the Wild Frontier.

  • Well, Fred IS an actor, after all, and he was pretty good at that. I seem to recall a maxim from somewhere about sticking with something you’re good at. While we’re on the subject, could we stop referring to Fred Thompson as “undeclared presidential candidate” Thompson? What the hell is that? It’s like saying “untrained computer engineer Mark”, or “unarrested war criminal George”. Until Fred Thompson declares his candidacy, he’s just a TV personality with a big mouth, trying on the role of president to see if enough people would buy it.

    I agree that Ms. Clinton should be able to win handily against any of the Republican front-runners (although what they’re doing could only be described as “running” in the loosest of terms, more like a forward stagger), but I devoutly hope she’s not the candidate. Not because I don’t think she could win, but because I fear what kind of president she’d be. I’d much rather see Obama get the nod. I think the MSM sees Obama as the bigger threat, too – perhaps that’s why he’s misquoted so much more frequently than Clinton.

  • Fred Thompson is actually stealing Mitt Romney’s campaign talking points.

    Romney: After President George H.W. Bush left office, in 1993, the Clinton administration began to dismantle the military, taking advantage of what has been called a “peace dividend” from the end of the Cold War (July/August issue of Foreign Affairs).

    Romney: Following the end of the Cold War, President Clinton began to dismantle our military. He reduced our forces by 500,000. He retired almost 80 ships. Our spending on national defense dropped from over 6 percent of GDP to 3.8 percent today. He called it a “peace dividend” (Frontiers of Freedom, April 18, 2007).

    (ref: factcheck.org)

  • For the heck of it, here are some U.S. MILITARY SPENDING figures in billions of constant 2004 dollars (presumably, not including supplementals).

    Source: Center for Defense Information
    http://www.cdi.org

    1989 449.5 + 1.38%
    1990 431.2 – 4.07%
    1991 376.6 -12.66%
    1992 397.2 + 5.47%
    1993 381.4 – 3.98%
    1994 362.0 – 5.09%
    1995 342.6 – 5.36%
    1996 323.1 – 5.69%
    1997 321.9 – 0.37%
    1998 315.8 – 1.89%
    1999 317.1 + 0.41%
    2000 329.3 + 3.85%
    2001 335.3 + 1.82%
    2002 374.1 +11.57%
    2003 447.1 +19.51%
    2004 475.3 + 6.31%
    2005 421.5 -11.32%
    2006 430.0 + 2.02%
    2007 438.5 + 1.98%
    2008 455.5 + 3.88%

  • I second what doubtful has said at #12 and #14.

    There are many, many potential votes for Democrats out there who won’t vote for Hillary. It’s probably because the Republican smear machine has been hard at work on the Clintons since at least 1992. It’s not right, it’s not fair, but it’s a fact.

    I think Hillary would make a good president, but I hope someone else gets the nomination. The Democratic candidate needs to do more than win. He (or she) must win by a historic landslide. The stakes are too high accept anything less. They’ve already stolen the last two presidential elections, and Diebold is still counting too many of the votes.

  • I think Governor Bill Richardson would make a great President.
    There is no way I would vote for Thompson as he was a lobbyist for the rich for 14 years and the biggest liar around next to Bush and Cheney.

  • Clinton AND Bush are to blame.

    Clinton is at fault for reducing our military. Bush is at fault for ignoring the reality of a reduced military and forcing it to stretch beyond its limits.

    They are both to blame for the situation our military is currently in. Don’t be fooled by partisanship.

  • Wow. A Republican twists the situation to suit his position while making Democrats appear weak on defense. Since he has no substance to offer, he must have figured it’d be safe just to repeat the talking points.

  • I don’t give a rat’s patoot if some Republicans (‘and it’s a fact!?!?”) won’t vote for Hillary. Who needs ’em. Again, she’ll take all the states that Kerry took, take Ohio and a few others, and win huge.

    I think it’s a “Fact” (and therefore it is) that huge numbers of Republican women will cross over to vote for the first woman president. They won’t tell their husbands or the pollsters about it first, though. That’s also a fact.

  • If Uncle Fred would actually read his history, he and all the people who say that the drawdown of our military in the 90’s was Clintons fault, would actually see that the plan for the drawdown was actually written by none other then Dick Cheney. I urge everyone to read the transcript of Bush the Senior’s last State of Union Address from January 1992. In it he talks about the goal of reducing the military by 35% by 1997. And he tells the world that his Sec Def Dick Cheney is the architect. And guess what, the military was reduced by 35% by 1997. So if anyone should be taken to the woodshed for hollowing out the military, it should be Cheney.

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