The ‘Obama Doctrine’

There’s been a fun little debate going on over at Andrew Sullivan’s site among a couple of his guest posters: TNR’s Jamie Kirchick and Obsidian Wings’ hilzoy. The exchange has been quite informative, and since my friend hilzoy is clearly winning the “debate,” it’s been quite entertaining.

Kirchick got the ball rolling with a post about his Providence Journal op-ed on what he calls the “Obama Doctrine,” which he defines this way: “The United States will remain impassive in the face of genocide.” Kirchick explained:

In a July 21 interview entitled, “Obama: Don’t Stay in Iraq over Genocide,” the Associated Press reported Obama’s belief that “the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.”

Pressed about the contention — widely shared by people knowledgeable about the situation in Iraq — that a rapid withdrawal of U.S. troops early next year could lead to genocide, Obama responded, “Well, look, if that’s the criteria by which we are making decisions on the deployment of U.S. forces, then by that argument you would have 300,000 troops in the Congo right now — where millions have been slaughtered as a consequence of ethnic strife — which we haven’t done.”

For reasons that we’ve already talked about, Kirchick is mistaken, and confused about what Obama actually said. It’s not that complicated — Obama wasn’t suggesting genocide is tolerable, and he wasn’t advocating indifference for murder on a grand scale. He was simply making the point that if genocidal attacks alone were the basis for a massive military deployment, we’d have deployed thousands of U.S. troops to central Africa right now. That we haven’t suggests that genocide — or in the case of Iraq, speculative potential for genocide — does not drive U.S. military deployments.

In response to Kirchick’s confusion, hilzoy offered a very detailed post, explaining the variety of reasons that Kirchick’s analysis was off-base. Indeed, using a variety of well-sourced arguments, hilzoy (politely) explained why Kirchick badly misrepresented Obama’s actual policy.

It led to an interesting response from Kirchick.

Instead of acknowledging his mistakes, the TNR staffer suggested his argument was just a thought experiment.

I thank [hilzoy] for her thoughtful reply to my piece on the nascent “Obama Doctrine.” I’m not really sure if there is an Obama Doctrine, but was hoping to be provocative and stir some debate.

Really? Kirchick wrote a piece for publication in a newspaper that accused a top presidential candidate of being indifferent towards genocide. He got basic facts wrong, and confronted with his mistakes, Kirchick argues that he simply wanted to “stir some debate”?

That’s a rather silly response. Professional writers aren’t supposed to submit pieces for publication with errors of fact and judgment just to get people talking, at least not if they expect to be taken seriously.

As for the substance of all of this, Kirchick’s inflammatory argument — Obama is indifferent to genocide — is wrong, but Matt Yglesias noted that it does bring up an important policy distinction.

When you look at different takes on the Darfur situation, you see them divided into two main camps. On the one hand, you have people who are interested in Darfur who don’t normally write about humanitarian issues or Africa, but who do frequently write in support of militarism and in derogation of the UN. In this camp you have Kirchick, The Weekly Standard, Leon Wieseltier, Marty Peretz, etc. These people believe, naturally enough, that unilateral American military intervention in Darfur is the only responsible option. On the other hand, you have people whose interest in Darfur stems from a larger interest in humanitarian issues and in Africa. I’d take the International Crisis Group, the Enough Project, and Africa Action as typical of the latter. If you follow the links, you’ll see that none of these organizations think that what Kirchick is saying about this is correct.

Meanwhile, as Kirchick himself notes, Obama is pretty close to Samantha Power who wrote the book on genocide. Like the people in the second camp, she’s a skeptic about unilateral military intervention as the prime tool of fighting genocide. Indeed, she explains in the book that she thinks this kind of Kirchick-style thinking is counterproductive; sending people the message that if you care about this issue you need to sign on for a costly and geopolitically problematic military intervention leads far more people to say “I should stop caring about this issue” than it leads to say “I should support a costly and geopolitically problematic military intervention.” Thus, they favor thinking pragmatically about actions that might realistically be implemented.

The difference, though, is that if you’re more interested in wielding Darfur as a bludgeon against liberals, the UN, Arabs, etc. than you are in saving people’s lives, this kind of pragmatism becomes less appealing.

One hopes that Kirchick is paying attention.

Scott Horton on his site, NO COMMENT, is also not very happy with Kirchick. He mentions Kirchucks BS grievences against Max Blumenthal and wonders why Kirchick is crapping on one of his publications few defenders in the blogosphere.
With allies like Kirchick, who needs enemies?

  • “That’s a rather silly response. Professional writers aren’t supposed to submit pieces for publication with errors of fact and judgment just to get people talking, at least not if they expect to be taken seriously.

    I don’t know if the WaPo agrees with you. I can’t get the link, but part of Deborah Howell’s “How to Have Your Say” article in Sunday’s Editorial pages seemed to indicate that ‘just to get people talking’ might be a legit reason for the WaPo to print something.

  • Sullivan usually just let in a few of his buddies from the conversvative political poolhall to trash the place when he goes off to do his self-hating republican things. It’s good they got somebody honest in over there too for a little while.

    BTW, what good is the acronym TNR when it could refer to either the The National Review or The New Republic? Although they are getting pretty similar these days.

  • The regulars in The New Republic‘s comments section really don’t like Kirchick, at all. Amusing to see that, given a bigger platform, he’s attracting even more animus.

  • He got basic facts wrong, and confronted with his mistakes, Kirchick argues that he simply wanted to “stir some debate”?

    Ah yes, a favorite cop-out of the coward when he’s just honest enough to know his back’s against the wall. See also: “Playing the devil’s advocate.”

    Given the fRight’s tendency to screech “Traitor! Terrorist Luvah!” when they run out of talking points, I guess this is an improvement.

  • Kirchick : “I’m not really sure if there is an Obama Doctrine, but was hoping to be provocative and stir some debate.”

    So I guess I could be provocative and maybe stir some debate by asking if it’s really true that Kirchick was arrested last week for public indecency? I heard he was schtupping a goat on the hood of his car when the cops showed up.

    Wingnuts always end up in the logic penalty box, but they throw enough sticks while they’re on the ice that they really don’t care. I think it’s time to quit acting like we’re up against people who can be reasoned with.

  • The appropriate agency for dealing with genocide is, of course, the UN. To ignore this, marginalize it or pretend otherwise is myopic and rather stupid. The United States doesn’t need to be humanity’s great savior, it just needs to be a supportive participant, along with the other 191 member states, in all the excellent work the UN does to solve humanity’s collective problems and facilitate its aspirations.

    You know, I think the United States of America has a gigantic ego problem. It is so self-inflated with belief in its glorious, all-consuming, indispensible importance that it cannot see, far less respect and appreciate, the simple efforts ordinary people make, mediated by the UN, to bring succor and benefit to every quarter of the globe. Yet, there alone stands America, nose in the air, trying to lord it over everyone else. It is most unfortunate and unbecoming.

    Of course, generalizations are always false when it comes to specifics. This present posture that America has adopted is definitely a Neocon creation. Bill Clinton, for example, didn’t puff himself up all high and righteous so he could look down his nose at the rest of humanity as if they were inferior.

    It should be especially easy for Americans to understand the relative roles of the United Nations and its member countries. The United States itself is a model history of how relatively sovereign individual states acknowledged a need to have their interactions coordinated by a federal government. It’s not such an inconceivable leap of extrapolation to see that a similar need now exists in the world between relatively sovereign individual nations. Why is it so difficult for so many Americans see the need for and wish to foster such a transition on a global scale? Is it because they fear to lose some vaunted or coveted hegemony?

  • Wow, this same thing just happened on my blog. I critiqued a conservative’s healthcare voucher plan on my blog, finding it to be devoid of any meaningful details, used meaningless numbers, and was most likely full of crap. And his only response was to attack me for suggesting that this was his plan. He was merely discussing options and I misrepresented his entire website by suggesting he was coming up with a plan. He was apparently just tossing out ideas. And no, he didn’t suggest one thing I got wrong or admit that the numbers he used were meaningless.

    I was just taking a break from writing my response when I saw this post. I wonder if there’s something in the Koolaid.

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