Bomb, bomb Iran?

Several readers have emailed lately to suggest I’ve been giving a looming conflict with Iran the short shrift. There were several reports last week that the White House was gearing up to launch a major p.r. offensive about a confrontation with Iran immediately after Labor Day, and the public needs to appreciate the gravity of the situation.

To which I’ve said: maybe. As Kevin Drum noted, “Iran rumors make the rounds of the liberal blogosphere every couple of months, and they never pan out.” That’s largely true, though I’d add another caveat — I’ve been a little skeptical about an attack on Iran because Bush just doesn’t have the troops.

The White House has stretched the military beyond reason, to the point that some troops are going to have to come home from Iraq next year whether the president likes it or not. If Bush launches an attack against Iran, he would commit the U.S. to yet another dangerous Middle Eastern conflict with an Armed Forces that’s unprepared for a third war.

It’s not that I doubt the White House’s intentions; I’m certain Cheney & Co. would love to start dropping bombs immediately, to the delight of Kristol, Lieberman, and others. My concern is that even they realize that they lack the resources to pull it off, and are blustering now as some kind of twisted diplomatic exercise. (I think the idea is for Ahmadinejad to look at the White House and say, “I better give in; those guys are nuts.”)

With that in mind, Kevin raises a compelling argument, “There may be nothing to this, but I’d rather get paranoid now and feel a little embarrassed later than shut up now and feel like an idiot later. Forewarned is forearmed.”

Good point.

Todd Gitlin has a very good post in which he notes that a variety of prominent DC insiders all seem to believe that a war with Tehran is a distinct possibility, fueled in part by a presidential speech last week in which Bush raised the specter of a “nuclear holocaust” in the Middle East if Ahmadinejad gets atomic weapons.

Gitlin said he was reluctant to add “a link to a child’s game of Telephone,” but it’s a warning worth delivering: “If there’s anything we understand about the occupants of the White House, it is that worst-case scenarios are, if not dead certain, to use the phrase of the day, worth taking seriously.”

There’s a genuine passivity to fear. The Democrats have to stand up this week, loud, clear, and demonstrative, and declare that they will not get hustled into supporting a mindless, counterproductive attack on Iran. They will not appropriate funds for it. Half of them in the Senate got hustled at the equivalent moment in 2002 and now regret it, even if are only willing to use the euphemism “if I knew then what I know now.”

One thing they all must know now is who they are dealing with in the White House. The mania of George Bush and Dick Cheney is not the sum of all dangers today but it is, after all, a known quantity.

This time, for sure, post-facto regret won’t do.

It’s painful to realize, from time to time, that we’re dealing with an administration for which very little is beyond the pale. Most sensible people would hear about a military confrontation with Iran right now and say, “Well, that’s madness. A president would have to be crazy to even consider it.”

But therein lies the point — we’ve said that before and should no longer be surprised.

If the Dems roll over on attacking Iran, too, without making the biggest stink we’ve seen in years, they aren’t worth anybody’s vote in 2008.

And as for whether Bush will do it or not, I think everybody thinks he’ll attack Iran from sea and air without sending any troops into the country. Now, THAT’s a move that might really put us on US soil in danger as well as the troops in Iraq. Iran is not a weakling, is very strong militarily with air power and bombs. Bush had better bring the troops out of Iraq if he plans to attack Iran. Iran could certainly decimate the green zone, the embassy, and those US military bases into nothing, not without losses, but it takes only a few bombs to do the job.

The WH is insane to even think about it.

  • Happy Labor Day everyone.

    So it seems to me that the volunteer army, because its size is limited, is having a limiting effect on Bush’s adventuring. If a draft had been still in effect Bush would have all the troops he needed to attack Iran. And Iraq has shown that you can’t do it all with Air Force as Bush used to think.

  • “You don’t need troops….we’ll just drop a few bombs in the right place, disable their aerial and nuclear capabilities, and we’ll have them on the ropes”

    Not an actual quote — just what I imagine is the thinking in the minds of the President, Vice-President and various neo-cons.

    These are the same people who really believed Iraq would be “a cakewalk,” and who didn’t plan for anything except for the best-case scenario. You don’t think they have “a surefire way” to attack Iran…and do you doubt they want to?

    The assumption (I assume myself) is that once the bombs start dropping, the squishy middle of America will fall in line, and the liberals will be marginalized.

  • I believe that congressional Democrats will give Bush the additional $50 billion he wants for Iraq without even a whimper of debate. They will also give him whatever he asks to take the war/invasion/occupation into Iran (and Syria). He is that nuts, and they are that spineless, greedy, soft and marshmallowy. I’ve come a long way from my initial Pelosi-inspired enthusiasm about the outcome of the last elections: Democrats are as useless as tits on boar.

  • I do not believe there will be an attack on Iran. The reason is out on my driveway. $6 a gallon gas would pretty much end the next election before it begins.

  • If we still had a draft, everyone’s sons and daughters would be exposed to the mess in Iraq instead of the burden of the war being carried by just a few. If there was a draft, the college campuses would be in turmoil and the Democrats might even have located their spines by now. And invading Iran would be impossible politically.

    I don’t buy the argument that lack of troops will keep Bush and Cheney from attacking Iran. When have they ever been influenced by reality before?

    As for paranoia, I’m the one who thinks that Bush and Cheney won’t willingly leave office in 2009. When they see that all their misdeeds will be exposed and undone by a Democrat in the White House backed by a filibuster-proof Senate, “national security” will demand drastic action – postponing the election, or even martial law.

    Excuse me while I add more tinfoil to my hat.

  • Last Tuesday, Raw Story reported on a paper, “Considering a war with Iran: A discussion paper on WMD in the Middle East” that speculates on what US action against Iran might look like. Is it credible? Who knows. But it’s an interesting read.

    One of the problems of an administration that makes up it’s own rules is that it’s impossible to predict what they will or will not do, thus becoming a destabilizing force in the world whether it acts or not.

  • It would be ‘crazy’ to attack Iran! That having been said, does anyone believe that sanity prevails in the White House?

    #1 The same Neocons who sold us war on Iraq are continuing to say that bombing Iran will cause their citizens to rise up and throw out the religious rulers.

    #2 Don’t be surprised if it eventually becomes public that the Repugnican masterminds believe that starting another war will help them keep Congress & the White House in 2008.

    #3 Be very surprised if the Dumbocrats suddenly grow a set of gonads and do anything to stop another war.

    #4 Be very surprised if the Dumbocrats do anything other than roll over if/when Bush has us attacking Iran.

    The Dumbocrats continue to play for ‘political advantage’ in 2008. To not stand up for our country and its Constitution is equivalent to be a willing participant.

  • Bush can bypass Congress by citing Senate Joint Resolution 23 of September 18, 2001. Among other things, it authorizes the use of military force against “those who plan, authorize, commit, or aid terrorist attacks against the United States and its interests — including those who harbor terrorists.”

    The administration has already floated the idea of designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization.

    The notion that aerial bombardment will destroy Iran’s military capability is suicidally delusional. We have complete control of the skies over both Iraq and Afghanistan now and we’re not exactly winning in either place.

    OkiefromMuskogie wrote:

    As for paranoia, I’m the one who thinks that Bush and Cheney won’t willingly leave office in 2009. When they see that all their misdeeds will be exposed and undone by a Democrat in the White House backed by a filibuster-proof Senate, “national security” will demand drastic action – postponing the election, or even martial law.

    Provoking a catastrophic reaction from Iran would justify assuming extraordinary powers, in the eyes of G.W. Bush. Both Bush and Cheney would be perfectly willing to let their country die for them.

    Hand me down some of that tinfoil.

  • I’m not convinced a lack of troops would stop Bush and Cheney. I think they plan to bomb Iran and they expect the Iranians to be so shocked and awed that they won’t dare retaliate.
    Then the very serious pundits will talk about how no one could have forseen that US casualties in Iraq would jump logarithmically, gas would be $6 a gallon or that NATO would pull out of Afghanistan.

  • We did not have the troops or money to invade Iraq so they were redirected from Afghanistan so I do not think a lack of resources would stop Cheney. We do have the naval support in the area to launch an air assault on Iran but I think we lack the compliance of the countries in the area. If Israel decides it is a good idea then all bets are off.

    I agree that mandatory enlistment and a draft would quickly put a stop to the occupation of Iraq and force the country to reconsider its imperialist ways.

  • I don’t know- he’s not stupid or crazy, he’s just an asshole. I doubt it will happen. If it does it will be intended to be limited to an airstrike so there will be no immediate need for the ground troops.

    If Kevin is worried about looking wrong, he should consider what the point would be of getting us all to be wrong, and if that’s worth it- if it’s the White House’s game. If your explanation is right, that it’s all saber-rattling (an explanation I’ve left on your site a couple of times) then it probably doesn’t help Iran disarm because it’s such a longshot move. All it does is make us all talk about Craig, Vitter, Bush’s lies, and how the GOP are screwing the country less, and about this BS more.

  • What makes anyone think the administration is going to ask before they act? They’re like the teenager who knows Mom and Dad will say “no” if asked, so they’ll do what they want without explicit permission – besides, Bush/Cheney already have some authorizations to use military force that you know they can – and will, if they want to – conflate into justification for expanding the insanity to Iran (“but Mo-oom, a couple months ago you let me do the kinda-sorta-same thing, so I just figured you’d say yes to this too, and I didn’t have time to call you…”).

    Maybe we’re all paranoid – but it’s not like we don’t have reason to be. There’s a level of desperation that makes all of us worry that something even bigger and more insane will just look like bold and decisive to a man and an administration that is not looking so much for answers to problems as they are looking to regain the power that Bush/Cheney and minions believe is their right.

    Meanwhile, where is the leadership from those who are senators and representatives? And by leadership, I don’t mean, where are they giving the Iran speech…no, I mean, where are they in terms of their legislative power? What are their plans once Congress comes back into session? Will it be another case of Hillary and Obama waiting until they think no one is paying attention and their votes are meaningless, or will they be out in front, leading on this issue. Because I have to tell you – if they cannot muster some leadership now, what, exactly, should we expect if one of these people is elected president? Leading is not something one only does when it is safe to do so, when one’s job is not on the line – leading is something that happens when everything is on the line – most especially the lives and futures of the millions of people who will feel the consequences of one’s action – or one’s failure to act.

    Tinfoil, Tums and Tylenol – what no one will want to be without this Fall.

  • I’ve been wondering whether the conservatives are starting to really worry about running out of oil. In that case, the conservatives may see emerging technologies as a gamble against the surer, better-play-it-now card of provoking a war that will give us more access to oil in the gulf. Getting us into an unfinished tangle would provide a don’t-change-your-horses argument for keeping the Republicans in the WH in ’08.

    But if that were the case, I think there would be more indicators of it already. I think it more likely that this is just a short-range thing, and the risk the WH is more worried about is shorter-term political interest, in which case the risk of a larger war against turning out poorly both strategically and politically at home, would be the bigger gamble. Immediately after how debilitating the Iraq war has been on the US military, risking a large war with Iran is the crazy, desperate move.

  • Bush’s decisions are destroying our military and looting our treasury. It could be incompetence I guess.With China and Russia using Iran as a proxi, I suspect the price we pay for and Iran attack will be very high.

    All this said I am beginning to believe that all this is intentional. We are still in a cold war with Russia but we just dont know it. We know the KGB controls all of the oil wealth of Russia. I suspect if we dug deep as to who is really funding the neocon effort and other war mongers we would see that it is our comrads on the other side of the world who have the largest untapped reserves of oil and gas in the world. It is in the best interest of Russia and China for that matter for us to depleat our monitary and military resources and get bogged down in a regional conflict. Heck, this is the same playbook we used on Russia that we thought ended the cold war.

    Money and blackmail are driving the leaders of this country to make what looks like stupid decisions that are totally supporting those who would wish to eliminate the US as a significant world power.

    Sounds crazy on first read… but think about it for a while. Who really benifits from what we are doing in the mideast?

  • Even if I thought an attack on Iran was a good idea, the Bushites are NOT the people to be in charge of one.

    Freaking incompetents.

  • I could see a replay of the British sailors being captured by Iranian forces, only to US sailors.

    Plenty of huffing & puffing, followed by a ‘rescue attempt’ or a ‘limited response’, in an attempt to ratchet up the violence.

    After adequate ratcheting and additional violence; despite our ‘best efforts’ at containing the situation, our learned village elders will press the case that we ‘have no choice’ and that the Iranians are ‘forcing our hand’.

    Queue up the media with their ‘Countdown – Iran’ or some-such.

  • Attack Iran? Sounds like Cheney’s idea of a hobby. This WH crowd is nothing but wimps and posers who are endangering us all by their chickenhawk cowardice. The Dick had other priorities during Nam, but today he thinks nothing of using our fine men and women in uniform as pawns in his efforts to corner the global oil markets for his friends in the military-industrial complex. The blood of my fellow citizens is on Mr. Cheney’s nose – we need to begin to see it for what it is! -Kevo

  • Lieberman has already got a resolution condemning Iran through the senate with a unanimous vote. Bush has declared that Iran’s behavior are acts of war. He has authorized our forces to respond in kind.

    That $50 billion additional the WH requested is to cover the initial costs of attacking Iran. It was a surprise to Gates yet it’s Gates’ budget…guess he couldn’t really budget in attacking Iran.

    The ‘rumors’ circulate every couple of months because they have been planning this for months. Now “the Guardian” article which is referenced at “the Nation”.com reports that our military has drawn up an attack plan using our bombers to take out Iran’s entire military and nuclear facilities. And Bush’s war supporters are convinced that Iran wants to put Burkas on all our women and kill all our men. Insanity prevails here. It has been ‘leaked’ that there is “no stopping this attack”.
    Hell yes I’m paranoid.

    Everyday I live in fear of my president …of what he might do next. Bush and the corporate war profiteers want permanent war and chaos. They are getting exactly what they wanted from Iraq and they don’t care about anything with Iran except to stop or slow down oil production to control the price of oil and make a fortune. The “christian reich” is pushing hard for it also.
    Bush has claimed that he will make it impossible for the next president to leave Iraq. He has also claimed that congress has no right to interfere with military operations on Iran.

    He stated that he will not leave office before “dealing” with Iran…he will not leave the situation with Iran “open ended”.

    Bush has done everything but announce tomorrow I attack Iran. He will do everything in his power to carry out this attack unless he is stopped by congress. The only way he can be stopped by congress is if the republicans in the senate cannot get enough votes to continue funding the occupation in Iraq, or Bush/Cheney are impeached.

    The people won’t get fooled again but congress might by believing things like, “I just didn’t think he’d do that…that he’d go that far” in spite of the fact that everyone is telling congress that that is exactly what he will do. Congress always believes they are smarter than the people they represent.
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  • Bombing Iraq would add how many decades/centuries to the sacred and lucrative WOT? There is almost no limit as to how long a country or ethnic group can hold a grudge. I wonder what the longest running feud, with at least intermittent violence or the potential for it, is?

  • Re: #15, I think the hawkest of the hawks want to go to Russia eventually. Sounds amazing, but there it is.

    I think the best thing for liberals is to be neutral on Iran, not behind attacking them now, but not opposed to disarming them.

  • The ONLY way this liberal would be “for” attacking Iran would be in self-defense, absolutely not for any of the reasons the Bush administration has given for their so-called threat to the US. Iran has as much right to develop nuclear power and even nuclear weapons as any country that has developed them in violation of the NPT, and that includes Israel, as well as several other countries. (I mention Israel because of the rumors that the Israeli government is in league with the US to cow and probably attack Iran.) And the US has led the pack in violating the terms of that treaty as well, refusing to gradually get rid of its nuclear weapons and instead increasing its arsenal.

  • I think the hawkest of the hawks want to go to Russia eventually.

    I meant this in a pipe-dream kind of way, in that they’d like to go over there if somebody could figure out a way it would work, not that people who already hold the levers of power are already planning on going over there.

  • The Army and Marines are stretched thin, but the Navy is readily available.

    The Pentagon has drawn up plans to take out Iran’s air defenses via Tomahawk missiles and carrier-based aerial bombing.

    A Navy carrier group has just completed doing this exact exercise and is currently steaming towards the Strait.

    Could be “gunboat diplomacy”, but I think the fix is in and the strike is happening.

  • Many good points raised here today. I think they will definitely try some insane “think tank” scenario about air-strikes against all the facilities mentioned in the Guardian article.
    After all, they think the shock and awe part of Iraq went pretty well. Why not toss some armaments at Iran too.
    Problem is, Iran will probably retaliate against Israel, and then all hell will break loose in the region.
    Bush is a madman. Cheney is deranged, and the congress is fiddling while the republic burns.
    It’s gonna take more than tinfoil, tums, and tylenol to get through this.
    I’m drinking to distraction waiting everyday to hear the news that this white house is going to give the world an open invitation to attack us again.

  • Got anymore of that tinfoil to share, OkiefromMuskogie? I’m with you. I don’t see how the Bush/Cheney boys cover their criminal hides after 2008 unless they decide to stay.

  • It’s easy to se who would benefit from a war with Iran: The Republican party. Once the Dems split on the issue, the Republicans win the presidency with any scumbag they throw out there. Of course after that there’s hell to pay, but controlling the WH has got to be one of their priorities. Otherwise its war crimes trials maybe.

  • It is just a matter of time until the U.S. bombs Iran.

    I am 100% certain this will happen under the Bush Administration.

    I favor this course of action. You cannot negotiate with the regime in Tehran.

    The Iranian Muslim has become impossible to deal with. The Iranians will never end their nuclear program until they are confronted wth all the air and sea power of the United States. It will be an interesting next 12 months.

  • Some things come to mind while sitting in my bunker in the swamp.

    1. Never start a war you can’t win.

    2. We have met the enemy and it is us.

    Invade Iran? Completely insane. But with Cheney and Bush safe in their bunkers, the idea is not so insane. At least for them. They have NOTHING at risk. Not life, not limb, not money, not anything. Again Bush asks the American people to make the sacrifice for “Freedom” and “Democracy”.

    And I ask…just what sacrifices have you made.

    Of course the answer is NONE. But they will never admit it as long as they can convince, nay brainwash others to do the fighting for them and their war profiteer cronies.

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