Thompson, Iraq, and nukes … oh my

Actor/lobbyist/senator Fred Thompson has been running for president for several months, but doing so in a way that allows him to avoid debates, questions, reporters, and pretty much anyone who might confront him with a request for some kind of information.

I have a hunch it’s because the poor guy doesn’t know very much, particularly on matters of national significance. Last night, on Fox News — the only “news” network on which he’ll appear — Thompson said a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq would lead to “the whole” Middle East going “nuclear.”

If we leave [Iraq] under bad circumstances, we’re going to have a haven down there for terrorists. The whole area, I’m afraid, will become nuclearized. The Sunni countries are looking at what Iran is doing. And if we can’t help with stability in that part of the world, they’re going to help themselves, and they’re going to go nuclear.

On a related note, Thompson went on to argue that al Qaeda has a presence in Iraq as a means to procure nuclear weapons, as well. “We have al Qaeda out there we know trying to get nuclear weapons,” he claimed. “We have 40 countries that have fissile material that could make a bomb.”

Just to be clear, Thompson wasn’t using the phrase “go nuclear” as some kind of colloquialism to describe a catastrophe. He meant it literally — if the U.S. decided to stop intervening in Iraq’s civil war, Iraq would necessarily acquire nuclear weapons, as would other countries, and terrorist networks, in the region.

It’s like listening to foreign policy analysis from the drunk guy at the end of the bar. It’s no wonder he’s desperate to avoid a public forum outside of Sean Hannity’s desk.

To drive the point home, tomorrow night, the Republicans presidential field will gather for its fifth debate. Thompson has decided not to show up, preferring instead to make a taped appearance on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. (He’ll announce online at 12:01am, a few hours after the debate ends.) It practically screams “cowardice,” but Thompson’s flacks are already trying to spin it.

RUSSERT: Mary Matalin, on Wednesday night, all the other Republicans will be on a stage debating in New Hampshire. Fred Thompson will be on Jay Leno. Is that appropriate?

MATALIN: And guess what? Who do you think has the largest audience at that time? Jay Leno has 31 percent of the audience at the time immediately preceding the video. This is a message-driven campaign, and we want to drive people, and the biggest place to do that was Jay Leno.

Hearing her make the argument, I almost felt embarrassed for Matalin. By her logic, candidates should never debate or answer tough questions, just so long as a comedy and/or talk show is available with better ratings. Matalin’s argument seems to be, “Thompson is running for president, but he’s too important to actually campaign.”

As Michelle Cottle put it:

Fred, Fred, Fred. If you and your team want to quash the widespread grumbling about your being a spoiled, lazy candidate basing a White House run on little more than your Hollywood celebrity, why do you keep behaving like one? […]

[Thompson] doesn’t need to convince America he’s funny or charming or human. He needs to convince us he’s not a dilettante and that he has the stones for this fight. Meticulously ducking an opportunity to discuss (no matter how shallowly) various issues with his competition is hardly a promising sign.

Let’s see, Thompson can’t answer questions, can’t understand Iraq, can’t keep a staff together, and can’t raise money. What a force to be reckoned with.

And Thompson gets his intelligence assessments from where, exactly? Making stuff up out of thin air to that degree is shameless and embarassing even by Republican standards.

I recall years ago when the son of Barry Goldwater was running for office in Arizona and never participated in a debate, constantly declining because of “other commitments long planned.” Nobody could figure out who the guy was or what he stood for other than having a famous last name. He lost the election by a landslide and was never heard from again.

We can only hope that history will repeat itself here.

  • To be fair, I think what the old geezer was trying to say was that if we left then Iran would “take over the area” (which is debatable) and if they did then they would build nuclear weapons (somewhat debatable), and then Saudi Arabia would need to get their own. Which is possible, especially with Pakistan being Sunni.

    That’s what he was blathering about.

    Of course he wants to send other people’s kids to die so that this mismanagement can continue.

  • Nukes…Bad. War….Good.

    Guest starring on ABC this fall in the hilarious new serious, Cavemen, its actor/lobbyist and Corporate Military Industrial Imperialist, Fred “Retread” Thompson.

  • It’s like listening to foreign policy analysis from the drunk guy at the end of the bar Rud!e Guliani.

    Same diff.

    This is a message-driven campaign, we want to drive people, and the biggest place to do that was Jay Leno.

    So the campaign is driving the message and people. Right. Straight Talk Express Part II.

    And where are these people being driven? The answer seemse to be Far Away. I don’t watch Leno but it seems the average late night talk show host isn’t known for his Republican friendly view-point or audience.

    No wonder Matalin sounds a tad testy.

  • That so many in the GOP regard Thompson as their great hope for winning in 2008 speaks volumes about how desperate they are that he looks good to them, how low their standards are after two Bush terms, and how little they have, other than fear, to drive the debate.

    I think the Dems could run a really great ad on fear, showing each GOP candidate and highlighting the loony things each wants to do, or believes. “You want to be afraid of something? – be afraid of these people.”

  • Let the fear mongering begin! No need for substantiated fact just get on the teevee and bring up mushroom clouds and terrorist and Americans will run for cover in the warm embrace of conservative values.

  • I was hoping he wouldn’t run and save our political process the embarrassment but he’s too self centered to spare us.

    Everything out of this guys mouth is fear fear fear. They’ll get nukes…they’ll kill us…if they don’t their buddies will. It’s just pathetic. He uses smears and attacks on Democrats as his main campaign platform and then falls back on spreading fear of terrorism and how America must attack its enemies. He’s another phony trying to con the American public like some TV or movie role hero. What a joke…and people give him money. Awful lot of ignorant people in America who will get no return on their investment with Thompson.

    Now that’s the political audience to discuss issues with…the midnight Jay Leno viewer. That’s really letting “America” know what you stand for and what you’re about. This guy’s a joke who is using his Hollywood TV image to manipulate a campaign. He’s a dunce and why he thinks he’s viable as a candidate must be due to a huge ego. His dedication as a senator quickly changed when he thought he could get more money being a lobbyist.

  • I think a glimpse into the “real” Fred Thompson was seen in his video response to Michael Moore, I think in connection with SiCKO – it was one of the most reprehensible displays of meanness I’ve seen in a long time.

  • The Sunnis already have nukes. They are in Pakistan. And the Pakistani are prefectly happy to kill Shi’ia whenever the opportunity presents itself. Which is why I’m not the least surprised that the Persians in Iran (who are mostly Shite) want their own nukes.

    Now, our being or not being in Iraq has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether Iran gets nukes. In fact, being bogged down in Iraq within striking distance of Iran makes us even less able to prevent Iran going nuclear, not more.

    So if Iran does go nuclear, will Saudi Arabia? Why not? The Carlisle Group probably has a contingency plan to set that up right now. God knows they are prefectly happy to sell everything else America owns to Saudi Arabia or the Gulf Coast states.

  • Hmmmm. Ignorant, lazy incurious guy who is publicly personable spouts lies and gins up fears of heathens with WMDs. Nah, no one like that could ever get elected.

  • Beyond Thompson’s ignorant rantings, I am so sick of the right wing blathering involuntarily about Iran and nukes, Al-Quaeda and nukes, etc. etc. etc. When the hell is someone going to point out that if we were REALLY serious about terrorists getting a nuke or dirty bomb, we’d have to realize that 1), they would have to smuggle it into our borders, as there are NO arab or Islamic countries (including Iran) that have the capabiity of launching a missile that could reach our shores, and 2), all of the materials that could make a ‘suitcase’ bomb, the real threat here, are readily available in Eastern European ex-Soviet states, where we SHOULD be concentrating our efforts to stop nuclear material proliferation.

    Back to Thompson, my feeling is of overwhelming dissapointment that the citizenry of our country is so collectively dumbed down to the point where an average actor/lobbyist turned bought and paid for senator, ex Nixon defender in Watergate, can seriously be considered for the presidency. Oh wait… they re-elected George in ’04…

  • Piggybacking on Dennis:

    It’s like listening to foreign policy analysis from the drunk guy at the end of the bar.

    Thanks Steve.
    Sounds like he has got the right stuff for America.

    But… is he comfortable in his own skin?
    Does he look like someone you’d like to drink a case of Bud Light with?
    Who is his favorite Nascar driver?
    That says a lot about a man ya’know.

  • Oh, and he plays your typical, ‘old boy southern style character on Law and Order. That should appeal to the southern red state republican rednecks. Or do you think that show is a little too complicated for them? They would have to follow a story line rather than watch cars go in a circle 500 times…

  • Man, you libs are scared of this guy!

    Yep, I’m afraid of anyone who’s afraid of his wife. The man may be held to account, the wife never. This goes double when the wife is younger than the man’s own daughter.

    Thompson is, like Ross Perot, a tabula rasa. Like Perot, the more that people learn about him the fewer adherents he’ll have.

    Save your energy for explaining why a cross dressing adulterer should be president.

  • “the poor guy doesn’t know very much, particularly on matters of national significance.”

    Surely a man who has: practiced law for some 30+ years, including stints as an assistant U.S. Attorney, worked as a campaign manager for a U.S. Senator, served as White House counsel, investigated presidents and civil servants (including Watergate), who is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and a Visiting Fellow with the American Enterprise Institute, and who served 9 years in the United States Senate can be expected to know a little about “matters of national significance.”

    You promote political novices such as John Edwards and Barack Obama, not to mention a one-and-a-quarter-term Hillary Clinton, yet display some profound ignorance and hypocrisy by claiming Thompson doesn’t know very much.

  • Re #15 and 17, maybe when your boy puts some starch in his spine and actually declares his candicacy and starts showing up for some debates like every other candidate on both sides, we’ll have something to listen to.

    Until then he’s just another yellow elephant, too afraid to come out and fight like a man.

  • “I almost felt embarrassed for Matalin….”

    Is it possible for anyone to feel embarrassed for someone who’s even more of shrew that Anne Coulter? Here’s the stuff of fright movies: an affaire d’amour between Matalin and Coulter. How could you tell from an equally frightening affaire d’guerre?

  • Thompson’s the only guy I know who can go into a tailspin, crash, and burn—without ever getting his feet off the ground. And given that he’s clearly “the FraudNews Network Candidate,” I wouldn’t be worrying too much about shrill little man-cubs like “pawn” H. and “shill” O. these days. All blow; no go….

  • #18,

    So just to be clear, he’s stupid for not declaring yet? That’s what makes it okay to say he “doesn’t know much?”

    Interesting philosophy.

    To follow up on your pining for “something to listen to,” Thompson has been blogging, publishing commentary, and has had a radio show for months now, so you’ve got plenty of opportunity to bash him on the issues.

    #20,

    Do you want to say something substantive, as in a rebuttal of a position Thompson has taken, or just continue with your inane ad hominem diatribe?

  • “Thompson has been blogging, publishing commentary, and has had a radio show for months now, so you’ve got plenty of opportunity to bash him on the issues.”

    All nice, safe, protected venues where he doesn’t have to actually confront people who disagree with him live and on film. Read what I said again, Mr. Troll. I never said he was stupid. I said he was a coward. And so he is, until he proves otherwise.

  • #21,

    Seems what I said was pretty substantive, when you look at how badly Thombo’s campaign apparatus is bleeding from the throat. Also, I’m “substantively” curious: Just how much of a chance are you giving this “one network wonder” of a somewhere-between-this-and-that candidate?

    Oh, and torglodyte—your buddy Thombo’s in violation of federal campaign laws. Either he’s a candidate, or he gets to give all the money back. That is, if he’s gotten the bugs out of his book-keeping system—which I’ll doubt until the proof is presented—in a public forum….

  • […] a way that allows him to avoid debates, questions, reporters, and pretty much anyone who might confront him with a request for some kind of information. — CB

    It’s not just the issues that he prefers not to discuss; it’s also (perhaps primarily?) the “issue” of money; there are different standards of accountability for money collected for a campaign than for money collected “for general purposes” (exploratory). As long as he doesn’t announce his candidacy, the $2.300 per person for primaries (and ditto for general elections) does not kick inso that, once he does announce, he can start collecting a-fresh.

    I’m convinced that, if it hadn’t been for the lawsuit currently on the books against him for just that money/accountability “issue”, he’d have postponed announcing even longer.

  • 22 Curmudgeon,

    You said “maybe when your boy puts some starch in his spine and actually declares his candicacy and starts showing up for some debates like every other candidate on both sides, we’ll have something to listen to.”

    To which I pointed out that he has laid his opinions out. Never did I allege that you called him stupid.

    And the name calling is unnecessary and childish.

    23 Steve,

    “tailspin, crash, and burn—without ever getting his feet off the ground.” is not what I would call substantive.

    You did not state one single fact or specific instance of anything that relates to your metaphor. Care to try again?

    And you misspelled troglodyte.

    24 libra,

    You are incorrect. He has discussed “the issues” profusely in a large number of blog entries, articles, speeches and radio broadcasts.

    The fact that he is postponing his candidacy will not affect him legally, if anything it has frustrated his base, which wants him to declare.

  • He has discussed “the issues” profusely in a large number of blog entries, articles, speeches and radio broadcasts. — Lihach, @25

    You don’t seem to be aware that there’s a difference between “state” (declare, announce one’s position) and “discuss” (defend one’s position, debate, respond to questions and doubts). Sigh…And here I thought I was the only one here whose English was perhaps hobbled by not being fed to me with my mother’s milk…

    The fact that he is postponing his candidacy will not affect him legally, if anything it has frustrated his base, which wants him to declare. — same source

    How’s a pear related to a willow-tree (to use a Polish phrase)? His legal position has nothing to do with his base’s desires. You, sir, are failing “logic 101”

  • Mr. Benen,

    Your an idiot and Thompson is going to be your next president. You know what is even better than that…..There is NOTHING you or any of your other sudo intellectual cut and run commentators can do about it because you are so far away from the majority it is truly laughable. Talk Talk Talk….that’s it. All you can do is dribble.

    Go Clinton and Osama Go……

    Have a great day!

    David

  • #26 libra,

    I would not characterize an individual running for president (presumably) as “preferring not to discuss” any issues. In fact he’s prohibited from debating without announcing his candidacy.

    So what are you mad about?

    He’s not breaking any campaign finance laws either. Now I can think of a few candidates who have issues with their campaign contributors… Hillary Clinton and a Mr. Hsu, for example.

    But to follow up, no one has replied to my point that Thompson does in fact know quite a bit about “matters of national interest.”

    Certainly compared with the meager government service of Obama or Edwards.

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