‘Time to take a stand’

I suppose it would be blogging malpractice if I let Paul Krugman’s latest gem go by without mentioning it.

Here’s what will definitely happen when Gen. David Petraeus testifies before Congress next week: he’ll assert that the surge has reduced violence in Iraq — as long as you don’t count Sunnis killed by Sunnis, Shiites killed by Shiites, Iraqis killed by car bombs and people shot in the front of the head.

Here’s what I’m afraid will happen: Democrats will look at Gen. Petraeus’s uniform and medals and fall into their usual cringe. They won’t ask hard questions out of fear that someone might accuse them of attacking the military. After the testimony, they’ll desperately try to get Republicans to agree to a resolution that politely asks President Bush to maybe, possibly, withdraw some troops, if he feels like it.

That sounds about right, particularly the expected kid-glove treatment Petraeus is likely to receive. War supporters have created an environment in which the General is practically sacrosanct. To question his conclusions, whether they’re supported by evidence or not, is to question the military. A couple of months ago, Harry Reid alluded to some skepticism about Petraeus in passing during a conference call — and the right is still talking about it as if Reid had committed a crime. (I did a post in July with a mild question about Petraeus’ credibility, and Hugh Hewitt responded that my concerns made me an “anti-intellectual screamer,” which may very well be the most projection-like insult I’ve ever received.)

Indeed, I saw a fascinating conservative post this week that argued Petraeus will “speak for the American military” next week, so criticism should effectively be off limits: “When General Petreaus [sic] comes back to the United States to brief the President and Congress, he will not do so as a partisan. He promises that, “The Ambassador and I are going to give it to them straight and then allow the folks at either end of Pennsylvania Avenue make what clearly is a national decision.'”

And if Petreaus says his assessment will be neutral, it has to be neutral. After all, he “promised.”

As such, I suppose this observation from Krugman should be considered beyond-the-pale.

Gen. Petraeus has a history of making wildly overoptimistic assessments of progress in Iraq that happen to be convenient for his political masters.

I’ve written before about the op-ed article Gen. Petraeus published six weeks before the 2004 election, claiming “tangible progress” in Iraq. Specifically, he declared that “Iraqi security elements are being rebuilt,” that “Iraqi leaders are stepping forward” and that “there has been progress in the effort to enable Iraqis to shoulder more of the load for their own security.” A year later, he declared that “there has been enormous progress with the Iraqi security forces.”

The assessment wasn’t true, and it was obviously intended to have a specific political effect. It’s the kind of decision that leads to some legitimate skepticism about Petraeus’ independence.

To question Petraeus is simply to challenge dubious conclusions. On the one hand we have ample evidence from Iraq that shows no evidence of the “surge’s” success, and on the other we have Petraeus arguing that violence is down in Iraq just so long as you don’t include much of the violence.

As Ezra put it, “Next week, Petraeus will not be acting as a general and he will not be acting as a soldier; he will be acting as a media campaign. He is the White House’s press strategy, and the degree to which the press and the Democrats internalize this will largely dictate how the testimony is received.”

That point about the press is particularly significant. As Steve M. noted, if Dems are assertive in challenging Petraeus’ report assessment, conservative war supporters will go apoplectic, but mainstream reporters might do the same thing: “[T]he tough questioner or questioners will be tried in the media and found guilty of unspeakable decorum breaches as well as treason. And that will be the story: Dirty hippie Democrats still hate the military, just like in the old days.”

Dems better be ready for all of this.

Update: W.B. alerted me to this interview with Petraeus in the Boston Globe, in which he says that “what our troopers have achieved is measurable and important.” Call me overly sensitive, but I think there’s an implication there — to question the success of the “surge” is necessarily to question what “our troopers have achieved.” In other words, to support the troops is to support Petraeus’ version of their mission.

Just remember George Tenant and Colin Powell. They were trusted by a majority of people, too, but caved in to the Bush cabal’s lies and bullying. Petraeus may have to learn the lesson late, and you wonder why.

Let’s hope he’s got the right stuff and will be unwilling to play the numbers game insisted on by the Bush administration. But maybe we should just expect more of the same.

  • “Dems better be ready for all of this.”

    I can state with confidence that they won’t. I haven’t a clue what Reid and Pelosi want. Some leaders. I do know they don’t want to ruffle anyone’s feathers. Or offend the Republican minority. The phrase “wimp factor” comes to mind.

  • Dems better be ready for all of this.

    They’re ready all right. They’re ready to drop to the ground assume the fetal position in unison.

  • Senator Webb front and center, please. He ought to have the kind of cred needed to repel these nonsensical charges.

  • I put this on the prior Petraeus post, but I think it fits here, as well:

    Well, I assume Petraeus will be under oath, and I also assume there will be a transcript, so there will be something in writing, even if it is not a comprehensive report with things like footnotes and source information.

    It does, though, sound a little like it could be a game of “20 questions,” or “Hot/Cold” with members of Congress asking questions in an attempt to get complete information.

    Why can’t the committee require him to submit a written report? Petraeus is coming to Congress to fulfill a mandate of legislation – seems like it needs to be made clear that he is there to accommodate them, and not the other way around.

    It’s interesting, isn’t it, that for so long the promise of this vaunted “Petraeus Report” was worked into every public statement and press conference the President and his minions have given since the “surge” began, but as we have gotten closer and closer to the deadline, and the news has failed to get better and the independent reports have failed to support anything being said by the administration, what is being telegraphed by the WH is a “report” that it appears will be far less substantive than anyone was expecting. In fact, it almost seems like the report has gone from being the be-all and end-all in support of the strategy to something that gets right to the conclusion without providing the chapter and verse that led to it. It’s going to be lip-service to Congress, with the big French kiss to the WH.

    It would do my heart considerable good to have someone question Petraeus on the inherent conflict he has in essentially reporting on himself, which would – or should – elevate the independent reports to the level of a check on the bias Petraeus is bringing to something he apparently will do anything to avoid admitting is a failure.

    This is going to be absurdist, kabuki theater at its most absurd.

    Bleah.

  • OK, the General is not supposed to be partisan, but he appeared with Hugh Hewett, and I assume there was no answer to a request from Glen Greenwald.

    Please correct me, if I’m wrong here.

    And does anyone know why this Confederate Yankee guy is known as “Gun Counting Gomer” by Tbogg?

  • Drat!

    That’s: They’re ready to drop to the ground and assume the fetal position in unison.

  • CB, please leave Confederate Yankee to the likes of Sadly, No! and the aforementioned tbogg. They will serve up the merciless mockery he deserves.

    BuzzMon, I believe that CY is a gun dealer. Hence, tbogg’s name for him.

  • And that will be the story: Dirty hippie Democrats still hate the military, just like in the old days.”

    I’m with kishin. Every Dem senator should yield their time to Senator Webb. And he should have a giant poster behind him with a photo montage of him in his marine uniform and him as Secretary of the Navy under Reagan. Preferably shaking hands with Reagan.

    And Webb should preface every question with “as a veteran of our armed forces and a former Secretary of the Navy under President Reagan, I’d like to ask you about…”

    Every question. In fact, he ought to end every question the same way. “Again, I ask that question as a senator who is a veteran of our armed forces and President Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy.”

    Do it for every question. maybe the MSM will get tired of it enough that they’ll be too embarassed to try to paint him as a “dirty-hippy”. And they’ll have a hard time editing out that fact when they show clips.

    Then we send out people like General Wesley Clark to do the hard work on the far right “news” outlets to defend Webb.

  • It seems to me that Dems could get to the heart of the matter by simply ignoring the happy-talk and concentrating on the benchmarks. The splurge was supposed to create an environment for progress in certain areas — so did it or didn’t it? When anyone, including Petraeus moves the goalposts, simply move them back.

  • “War supporters have created an environment in which the General is practically sacrosanct.”

    This is true to some extent–in the world of the 29 percenters. And it sounds just like what Karl Rove would push. But I highly question if this is a true statement outside of the Fox News/Rush Limpdik crowd. In fact, pessimist that I have been, I feel pretty confident that if the Dems were to grill Petraeus as they should then the vast majority of the American public will look at it as the Dems doing their jobs and not as the Dems being sissy traitors. But that is not what the Dems will do, especially the primarily southern based Bush Dog Dems. I think the real problem is that the Dems do not want to risk anything at all (and by doing so risk a large chunk of their reputations) knowing that if the US is still in Iraq in 2008 that it will help with elections in 2008.

    Morons and chicken shites.

  • Based on the way he’s planning to lie about the success of the surge, Petraeus seems more like Benedict Arnold than he does a credible source.

  • Why don’t the Dems invite the authors of the NYT Op-Ed, who served on the ground in Iraq, to testify alongside Petraeus? We’ll see who “supports the troops” after that.

  • CB, just look at the way the reichwing is going after Fareed Zacharia (sp?) He said on air that ethnic cleansing is already occuring, something well documented. And he is being lambasted today.

    Over at No Quarter, Brent Budowsky has a very nice list of questions Congress should ask General Petreus, copy those and send them on to your reps and senators.

    And God help us all. Since we know we won’t get any releif from our so called leaders.

  • What kishin said in #4.

    All the Democrats need to do is put Jim Webb out in front of the cameras at every opportunity. His kid is in Iraq, he fought for this country, and he knows how to spell out the important points in brutally understandable language. He takes no shit from anyone, he knows his stuff, and there’s no way you can call him soft on anything.

    Hello… Clueless Dimocrats… Get Webb out there NOW. I’d love to see Petraus face Webb with the cameras rolling.

  • Webb as been weak in challenging the GOP talking points recently. So don’t look to him to be standing up and saying anything that the press will cover.

    What?…are you just trying to make the Dems introspective to the point of being incapable of asking questions at all…(your message..”Don’t worry…just remember, everything depends on this”)

    War supporters in the media will smear and belittle anything the democrats say short of just praising the great General. Petraeus’s report was and is predictable since it is no longer the report of a military man but a PR of a CEO for Bush WH Inc. Because of his recent non-military political campaign Petraeus is no longer credible on Iraq and neither is Bush.

    Except for the war supporters who need no encouragement the rest of the public already know this General is just another Bush lackey and we watch his report to the Congress like a circus act. The only interesting part is how the democrats will respond to the dog and pony show he brings to Washington.

    Anyone paying attention already knows Petraeus’s report is just more phony PR and to the war supporters it doesn’t matter what Betrayeus says.

  • I will be shocked if the Dems don’t just bow and kiss the good general’s ring. After all very few of them have loved ones in harm’s way. I am almost as angry with the Dems as I am with the republic-thugs. Why is it so hard to get an honest self assessment? We will never solve any of our problems without actually doing the math.

  • I’d breach some decorum here, but out of respect for CB (and not wanting my comment to be deleted), let’s just say that I don’t think very highly of Army Gen. David H. Petraeus’ opinion or the No Peace, More War Movement.

    Maybe Bush’s Pet-raeus will replace Snowflake at the podium, since he’s basically just a PR man anyway.

    It’s a very sad statement that our military has been politicized to the degree that a General is used as nothing more than a political hack to advocate American Imperialism. Congress absolutely should take the opportunity to publicly extract as much information from the Good General as possible. Congress has the right and the obligation to question the military leadership in the Congress’ Constitutional role of supporting the U.S. Armed Forces.

  • Hey bubba****comment 12***you suggest that the Democrats think that if we are still in Irag in ’08 it will help them win elections…they will win in ’08 anyway but they will be blamed for all the problems of withdrawing troops so that they will lose in 2012 just because they didn’t make Bush end his own fiasco.
    Dems claim this is Bush’s war…but they refuse to make him end it and he is throwing it off on them to withdraw which will cost Dems the presidency in 2012 which is what the GOP has planned all along since they know they don’t have a chance in ’08 anyway. Why Dems can’t see this is beyond me. Make Bush end is own war and start withdrawing troops before ’08 or lose in 2012 as all problems of withdrawing the troops will be blamed on them.

  • CB’s post, Krugman’s essay, and every comment above are profoundly depressing. The Dems will cave (they are already caving), the General will be worshipped, and any actual tough questioning will be shouted down by the war loving msm and their masters on the right. Just look at how popular O’Hanlon remains. Four intensely negative reports on the “surge” in the last week by competent agencies charged with that task, and it won’t impact policy on the ground at all.

    The “reality-based community” watches and howls impotently as BushCo does its thing, shaping the reporting of reality to their ends, even if they couldn’t actually manage to change the laws of human nature and physics so reality matched their words.

    It’s like Gore’s quote the other day, about being so saturated with outrage that you have to download some of it to an external hard drive to make room for more.

  • I think the president owes it to the American people to give a televised statement to the press, about why this al-Qaeda-in-an-American’s-clothing, General Traitor, was picked to deliver this report to the American people, about how he planned to lie about the success of the surge, explaining that Petraeus has been fired from the job, and giving a fact-based assessment of the surge instead.

  • bjb–can’t disagree with you but I wasn’t suggesting anything other than the Dems feel they have 2008 locked up so why rock the boat. The point of my post was that if they spoke out and grilled Petraeus I do not believe the public would consider them antiamerican or traitors or cowards or cut-n-runners, and that any claims to the contrary would play with 29% of the public but not the vast majority of the public and that the Dems have nothing to worry about by grilling Petraeus.

  • I’ve been amazed for some time how all the bad things that could happen to our country have come together at the same time: a fratboy for president, a mean old bastard, whose lawn you were afraid to cross when you were a kid, as vice-president, an exhumed SecDef full of arrogance, an AG who did more damage to the constitution than any terrorist could ever hope to do, a Republican congress who, when they weren’t collecting bribes or chasing youngsters, took almost child-like pleasure in backing the Fratboy’s stupidity, and lastly, a cowardly Democratic minority who still doesn’t understand the outcome of the 2006 elections (yes, I know the bills wouldn’t be veto-proof – pass ’em anyway, let Bush veto, send them again and again).
    If this continues and the Dems fail to develop a backbone, it won’t be too long before someone writes a “Rise and Fall” book and the title ending won’t be “of the Third Reich”.

  • I’d like to know where this guy gets the moral authority to tell us what to do with the troops, when he can’t even near-to-honeslty tell us what’s going on with them.

    For anybody who doesn’t know: Petraeus claimed that recently, attacks were down 75% from last year- what Petraeus “meant” by this statement was that attacks were down 75% compared to the most violent month from last year- and other officials later corroborated that this is what this statement referred to. Recent (post-surge) violence was actually about the same as more ordinary months from last year.

    Read all about it here.

  • Congress needs to grab this “betrayal” of the US military by the scuff of the neck and bury their foot in his rectum until the shoe is sticking out of his mouth. How is it that the troops—forced into a quasi-“bunker-mentality” stupor by being crammed into “urban safe-zones” like the Green Zone—ever hope to accomplish any military goal at all? They patrol a street, go back to their nest, and the rats come back out to play. There is no gained ground that’s still gained the next day; every block becomes a Pork Chop Hill that must be won, over and again, on an almost-daily basis.

    In four-and-a-half years, US forces have yet to effectively secure one major Iraqi city in its entirety, solely because this war is being fought from a collection of settees and recliner-chairs in the WH. Petraeus is not commanding these forces; the Spew Hewitts and Shill O’Riellys of the Right are doing it.

    And they’re failing to a level never before imagined by any military organization on the face of the planet.

    Get out of the Green Zone and wage war, or bring the warriors hope and let the Reich pundits go to Baghdad. Maybe they can talk the insurgency to death….

  • I’d actually be very surprised to see Democrats just roll over on the White House without a fight. I can’t see any way it would be in their interest to do so. But it’s certainly true that they’d better be damned good and ready to fight the PR war. The Republican PR machine is still a pretty well oiled machine and our political press corpse can be such a hopeless pack of a$$holes, they just keep falling for that same tired old shtick over and over.

    It does occur to me that the right-wing position seems to be that this is all about Gen. Patraeus and thus, to so much as greet any blue skies tale he tells with any sort of skepticism is to impugn the honor and sacrifice of our valiant men and women in uniform, yadda, yadda, yadda. I don’t actually think that will work but it might still be more effective to treat Patraeus as the good soldier sent out by his CinC to do the White House’s dirty work and faithfully doing his duty, than to attack him directly as a bad actor in his own right. So you might very well see more shooting past the general than at him.

    Or I suppose could just be a starry-eyed optimist and the Democrats could turn out to be the great big wusses everyone else around seems to think they are. Guess well find out soon enough. Either way, the best I’m realistically hoping for in this round is to move the argument down the field. Barring some drastic alteration of the balance of power just appearing out of nowhere, I’m not seriously expecting to see any touchdowns this month. I sure wish I knew what Harry Reid had in mind though. He can be full of surprises, that one.

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