Giuliani’s support starting to seriously slip

I’ve been assuming for months that Rudy Giuliani’s presidential campaign would start to falter, as more Americans heard about his tarnished 9/11 halo, his megalomaniacal tendencies, his shameless exaggerations, and for GOP primary voters, his beliefs on practically every social issue they care about (abortion, gays, immigration, guns, and stem-cell research). And yet, where’s the collapse? Where’s the long-anticipated free-fall? Why is Giuliani still leading in national polls?

As it turns out, the collapse took longer than I’d hoped, but it’s just starting to happen.

For example, there’s the new WaPo/ABC national poll, which noted Giuliani’s “dramatic erosion in his support.”

Giuliani’s support dropped from 37 percent in a July poll to 28 percent in the latest survey, and his decline from February has been even more sharp. Then, he had the backing of 53 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents and had a better than 2 to 1 advantage over his closest rival. […]

Over the past two months, Giuliani has suffered sharp declines in support among women and self-identified Republicans. In July, he was the first choice of 40 percent of Republicans and 41 percent of women. The new poll showed that 28 percent of Republicans and 27 percent of women back his candidacy.

Giuliani now stands at his lowest point yet among mainline Republicans, men, conservatives and white evangelical Protestants. Until now, the former mayor had led his rivals for the nomination among these evangelicals; now 29 percent support Thompson, while 25 percent support Giuliani.

There’s the new LAT/Bloomberg poll, which notes that Giuliani is “weaker in the crucial states that will cast early votes in the nominating process next year.” The former mayor now trails Romney in Iowa and New Hampshire, and Thompson in South Carolina.

But the new NYT/CBS poll may be the most discouraging of all for Giuliani.

Republican voters say Rudolph W. Giuliani has strong leadership qualities, and they associate him closely with his handling of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, but those impressions have not translated into a substantial advantage over his party’s other presidential candidates when it comes to who can best fight terrorism, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

Nearly half of Republican primary voters in the poll did not know Mr. Giuliani’s position on abortion — he supports abortion rights — suggesting that he could be vulnerable among conservatives because of his positions on social issues. And many voters said that Mr. Giuliani’s experience as mayor of New York City, which he consistently trumpets, limited his ability to understand their needs and concerns and was not as good a background for the presidency as having been a governor or a senator.

Ouch.

In fact, looking through the internals (.pdf), the news is almost entirely bad for Giuliani. A majority of Republicans believe candidates should be judged on “both their political record and their personal life,” which isn’t encouraging for the serial adulterer and divorcee; his national support has dropped from 38% to 27% in about a month; and 61% of Republicans said Giuliani would be no better than the other Republicans in the race at fighting terrorism.

Obviously, there’s all kinds of time for the race to change (and change back, and change again), but Giuliani is starting the post-Labor Day cycle with a decidedly downward trend.

If he were a stock, I’d short him in a heartbeat.

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  • Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. If Thompson shows himelf to be a viable candidate, rather than a sick and lazy two dimensional cardboard cutout, he will undercut Guiliani in a flash, which looks like it’s beginning to happen. The Rethugs in the hinterlands have just been waiting for someone like Thompson. Rudy was never really their guy. If corporate American piles on the next corporate stooge president will have been born, and we will have a worthy heir to Reagan and Bush 43.

  • For GOP voters its image, authority, and identity politics.

    Rudy’s image is that he’s a tough guy. Its his is style that GOPistas like. Substance is far down the list of qualities.

    After all how did “Dan Quayle in Cowboy Boots” get through the 2000 GOP primary?

    Now with Fred Thompson in the race Rudy has some competition for the identity politics crowd. Fred has a deep voice, he can play the part of a good ol’boy, and he tall. He’s got the substance of Styrofoam but he’s got almost everything The Base is looking for.

    So Rudy goes down in the polls – for now.

  • Don’t call the undertaker yet. He really may have sunk as low as he’s going to sink.

    I think it all depends on whether Thompson is up as high as he’s going to go. I can’t tell. But given how he’s stumbled out of the gate (and given the chaos in his campaign even before he got to the gate), I think it’s possible that Fred might be headed downhill from here. If he keeps rising, Giuliani’s in trouble. If not, Giuliani can hang in.

    A lot also depends on whether Giuliani can fight off the press, which will try to crown Romney after Iowa, or after Iowa and New Hampshire. To some extent I’d actually like Giuliani to win that battle — I’d like him to persuade the press and the country that the primary season isn’t over after those two states, just because I’m sick and tired of the rest of the country having no voice in picking nominees, a consequence of the media’s tendency to overstress the early states.

    Oh, and note that Giuliani’s only a few points behind Romney in New Hampshire, where Mitt (as a near favorite son) should be winning in a cakewalk — that’s significant. Also significant is that Bubba Fred isn’t wiping the floor with Noo Yawk Rudy in South Carolina.

    It ain’t over….

  • Poor Republicans. They have to choose between a flipflopping cult member with good hair, a mean, tough crossdressing criminal, and an old bag who can’t seem to remember if he supported terrorists in reality or just on TV.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of idiots.

  • Rudolf is nothing but a NeoCon Imperialist and 9/11 Evangelist/Manipulator/Exploiter. It’s a given that he will turn out the Reich Wing Authoritarian vote.

    Does anyone else have a problem with the Corporate Military Industrial Media-blessed polls, such as those listed above? How can we, in good conscience, lend so much credence to these polls when they rely on the antiquated technique of polling only landline telephones? Therefore, only people who happen to be home (i.e. not on vacation, at work, or out walking the dog), who choose to answer their phones, and choose to participate in the poll are counted. I call that self-selection and it is not an accurate reflection of national sentiment. But people often base their decision of who to vote for on these polls. I call that a self-serving, self-fulfilling prophecy and I refuse to participate.

  • Rudy took so long to start sinking because, to put it bluntly, the base is kind of stupid and it’s taking them a long time to figure out that he isn’t their kind of Republican. Fred’s a cartoon character; Mitt is a shameless opportunist; McCain has already been blackballed by the Christians and his fluffers in the MSM are now down on him for having tried (and failed) to pander to them. At some point soon, the party will have to make a choice about which one of these clowns to coronate. It will be a decision made in a state of desperation and they may pick exactly the wrong guy to keep the base intact. BUT: once they settle on their guy, the entire party will start singing from the same hymnal and the candidate will be lauded as the second coming of Ronald Reagan. Meanwhile, the Democrats will savage each other and be caught completely off balance when the smear barrage starts.

  • When he made his comments about illegal immigrants I knew he was deader than a Fred Thompson’s head. Rud!e should get full props for actually saying what he thinks rather than what the voters want to hear (I’m surprised the world didn’t end) but he spent months sucking up to Das Base rather than trying to appeal to moderate (sane) ReThuglicans. The moderates were already disgusted and now Das Base is turning on him.

    Buh-bye.

    If he were a stock, I’d short him in a heartbeat.

    Not a naked short, I hope. ;-p

  • I LOVE how every single comment on the page so far is from people who use words like “Reich-wing” “Rethugs” “Das Base” and “GOPistas”.

    So nice to hear that people are still interested in the exchange of ideas and not useless squabbling over entrenched ideological fallacies that lead to Americans – yes, those “Rethugs” and “Das Base” are your fellow citizens – being compared to the members of the freaking NAZI PARTY.

    And you wonder why your candidates can’t ever get out into the middle and convince people that you’re the party of compromise.

  • Giuliani is nothing more than a figure head. Its always “9-11” this and “Im the most qualified blah blah blah.” If it wasn’t for mainstream media backings he wouldn’t even be polling at 1%. What is interesting about Thompson is that he has been secretively campaigning for months now. This company has data to prove it.

    http://www.spartaninternet.com/2008

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