Ahmadinejad denied access to Ground Zero

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who will be in New York next week for the opening of the United Nations General Assembly, requested permission to visit Ground Zero to lay a wreath at the former site of the World Trade Center. After initially balking at the request, NYC Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said yesterday that officials were considering Ahmadinejad’s request.

That touched off considerable outrage. Everyone from the White House, to the Hillary Clinton campaign, to most of the Republican presidential field, all denounced the very possibility of Ahmadinejad visiting Ground Zero. As it turns out, officials will deny the Iranian president access, but for security, not political, reasons.

[Paul Browne, the chief spokesman for Commissioner Kelly] said the request was rejected because the Iranians wanted Mr. Ahmadinejad to visit the area of ground zero where construction is under way, but he said that any additional request that he appear near the site of the 9/11 terrorist attack would also be denied out of concerns about security. Although relatives of the victims were allowed to visit the site briefly on the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, members of the public are not allowed into the area.

Assuming that this explanation is legitimate, and I have no reason not to, it resolves the matter in a fairly straightforward way. Logistics are logistics. Nevertheless, the politics of this are worth considering in more detail.

I appreciate the fact that blogging does not lend itself to mixed emotions, which I admit to feeling in a case like this. My first instinct was to reflexively oppose Ahmadinejad’s request. The man is a dangerous nut, and it’s hardly a stretch to assume that he wants to appear at Ground Zero to improve his own image on the international stage. Given the hostilities between his country and ours, there’s no reason for the U.S. to accommodate his public-relations campaign. If Ahmadinejad wants to appear more responsible as an international leader, there are several constructive steps he can take in his own country.

But the more I think about it, the more I second guess this reaction.

BooMan makes a compelling argument about how we are perceived on the global stage.

[H]ere this man comes, to make an ostensibly good-faith gesture and to pay respects to our dead. Maybe he wants to help himself understand the magnitude of the tragedy so he can better understand why his country is under such a threat.

Is it really a ‘good faith’ gesture? Maybe not. Maybe it is just a stunt to make him look good. One thing is for sure…denying him the opportunity doesn’t make us look good.

My friend Anonymous Liberal, after noting some extraordinarily over-heated reactions from far-right bloggers, added:

Look, I realize Ahmadinejad is not a good guy and has said some scary things, but let’s get a grip. It’s not as if Ahmadinejad or Iran had anything to do with 9/11. He’s a Shiite Persian. Bin Laden is a Sunni Arab. They’re not allies. Never have been. They don’t even have similar goals or aims.

Moreover, don’t we want Muslim leaders to acknowledge the tragedy of 9/11? Doesn’t that help us? Whatever we think about Ahmadinejad, wouldn’t it be constructive to have a prominent Middle Eastern head of state, particularly one that is hostile to America, publicly acknowledge the horribleness of what happened on 9/11? We are, after all, supposedly engaged in a battle of ideas.

But this is all too complicated for today’s Republican Party. Apparently all that matters is that Ahmadinejad is an “Islamofascist” and therefore it is imperative that he not be allowed anywhere near Ground Zero.

If security and safety concerns make the visit impossible, all of this is a moot point. But as a matter of principle, it’s worth considering what the U.S. reaction should be if, say, there were no logistical concerns. After all, Ahmadinejad is a foe, but that hasn’t stopped the Bush administration from sitting down with the Iranians to discuss Iraq policy. Doesn’t that mean we have some kind of diplomatic relationship with Tehran?

This is obviously an emotional question that generates visceral responses, but the nuances and complexities of the situation deserve more than a knee jerk.

To me, the denial seems like a simple step in saying Iran attacked us on 9/11 and we must invade.

Then again, I’m a bit jumpy with our current Government.

  • This is petty and stupid. He’s a head of state, not a “member of the public.” to deny him based on some arbitrary site restriction is bullshit. And frankly, I don’t buy any security excuse either.

    He looks magnanimous, we look like insular assholes.

  • Just guessing that Iranians were killed during the attack and collapse of the Twin Towers, just like the citizens of some 90 other nations.

    I hope that a representative of his can lay the wreath for him. We are all equal in death.

  • One of the simple things here is what is he going to do there? What’s the harm? What’s the worst that’s going to happen? Is he magically going to ressurect those who died and lead the zombie army against us?

    This guy’s a publicity whore. For all we know he’s going to use this as the opportunity to build a bridge to the US to stave off possible attack, and he wants to be spectacular.

    I think there’s two factors: one the thin egos of people who are afraid he might use the opportunity to say something Anti-American (like that’d be a surprise), and those invested in somehow owning 9/11 and the simplistic ideas of good-versus-evil.

  • Of course he should visit the site- I can see no harm coming out of it and possibly some good; but more to the point is “freedom of expression”- as a matter of course, it should apply to all visitors in the country. Thats’s what I believe the U.S. is all about. Now, if someone could just take him to visit the Holocaust Museum in DC, that could yield some tangible results.

  • Here’s a fun exercise – everywhere in the above text that it says “Ahmadenijad” or “the man”, insert “President Bush”. Of course, it doesn’t always produce amusing results, but consider the basic truths that emerge, such as, “President Bush is a dangerous nut”. Too true, Blue. How about, “President Bush is not a good guy, and has said some scary things”. Testify, my brother!

    Now consider how many people WORLDWIDE (not just in the dear homeland) consider Bush more of a dangerous not than Ahmadenijad. I agree America does itself no PR favours by denying him access – what do they think he’s going to do, spit? Slap his leg and start laughing?

  • While he shuoldn’t get extraordinary treatment, beyond what any other visitor should get (i.e. access to non-public areas) the notion that he would be prohibited from designated viewing areas (which is how I understand the “follow-up” from NY) is absurd. I don’t really care who he is, if we want to the idea of being a free country to have any meaning, it means that those we dont like are as free as those we do like. The Supreme Court correctly held that Nazis were allowed to march in Skokie — using our freedoms and public square for the selfish PR needs of an unsavory “enemy”. I have trouble seeing how this is any different.

  • We demand that their leaders repudiate Bin Laden, and then deny them the clearest symbolic act they could engage in to do so? What a terrible mistake.

    The Holocaust Museum idea is a fantastic one.

  • I don’t know, we can go over there and wreck this guy’s country whenever we want, and probably no one will stick up for him. We can go there as soon as he crosses the line, or we can jump the gun a little. What does it matter if we let him lay a wreath? We know that it doesn’t keep us from sticking up for ourselves in a military way against him if we have to. If it’s a dishonest gesture, it’s completely futile as an insult or an act of defiance or anything else. If you ask me, the stunt is getting Americans to fall all over ourselves to deny him access to Ground Zero. These guys are not as powerful as us but they are not dumb. I think we should let whoever wants to lay a wreath and not make big fools out of ourselves by caring too much about it. It really can’t be that problematic to let him into the site, as long as he understands ahead of time what limits the site is supposed to put on the ability to provide security.

  • Whatever the real motivations, Ahmadinejad winds up looking magnanimous and we wind up looking petty. I wouldn’t be surprised to see John Kyl introduce another sense of the Senate resolution condemning all Muslim visits to Ground Zero.

    Idiots.

  • ***The man is a dangerous nut, and it’s hardly a stretch to assume that he wants to appear at Ground Zero to improve his own image on the international stage.***

    Right now, I can think of a lot of “good Americans” who can be defined by this same statement. The current “occupant” of the Oval office is one. The current “occupant” of the Naval Observatory is another. The pompous little twit who used to be mayor of NY—and is now acting like he’s presidential timbre—is a third. (And no—I did not mis-spell “timber.” The term “timbre” is used to decribe the sound-quality of an instrument, and RooDee sounds like a mangled oboe with a shredded double-reed being played by a couple of tired squirrels and a tree-frog. Not a good sound.)

  • Today’s Republicans don’t do complicated. They don’t do nuance. They don’t do policy. All the care about is appearing macho and “strong” (whatever that means). All are in service of that no matter how much damage is done to our image and influence long term. They seem to prefer immediate gratifaction (especially if it helps the electorially in the short term) even when it hurts them in the end.

  • If you really want to put pressure on him, let him lay the wreath, and then invite the whole NYPD and NYFD to show up and watch him. How’s that for psywar? Keep it mum, so his people don’t find out about it. Let him do it with all their eyes on his bacl. Then watch his advisors explain with a whisper in his ear that that’s not a good sign!

    As far as Dennis’ comment at 11, it should be plain to everybody that this guy has done a lot of bad things in his country. No one’s going to believe he’s a hero because he laid a wreath. If we attack his country and people look back on it, it’s going to be easy to see that it was just as likely a dishonest gesture as not. Look at it as he’s the fool for laying the wreath.

  • The man is a dangerous nut, and it’s hardly a stretch to assume that he wants to appear at Ground Zero to improve his own image on the international stage.

    And as Mark has pointed out, only Bush and other nuts like Guliani are allowed to use the dead as props.

    As for Ahmadinejad being “dangerous,” what has he done to earn that label? He’s an asshole to be sure but how much actual power does he wield, even in Iran?

  • Too many people in America want the rest of the world to act as we want them to, and then we’ll reward them by talking to them. We have it ass-backwards. They hate us not for our freedom but for our arrogance.

  • Don’t we want regime change in Iraq? So how tough would it be to whack the guy while he’s there? After all, we could say, we warned you that security was dicey there, but you wanted to go do the damn thing anyway. Now see what it got you? Sorry, Iran, but we warned him.

    No, of course I’m not advocating a high-profile assassination, but how much do you want to bet there are some within the administration that are making just that argument right now?

  • Everyone from the White House, to the Hillary Clinton campaign, to most of the Republican presidential field…

    Good to see Hillary’s tribe got in some irate wrath about the Iranian wreathe.
    That should make her a wee bit more electable…

    Campaign rule #1:
    Never miss an opportunity to show fair, balanced, and gratuitious anger at our legitimate brown-skins enemies. Unless of course you are a Republican in which case put an “un” in front of both fair and balanced.

    Off-topic comment and question to Hillary’s campaign people trolling every post about her:

    1) Don’t forget our group hate for all things Castro!
    Distance yourself from his endorsement of you. Better shoot some smack his way…
    Fast.
    2) Have you folks decided when the best time is to mend things with Sen. Lieberman?
    During or after the convention?

  • I would like to remind this Christian nation that we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us. It’s sound advice. Let the man have his moment at Ground Zero. If NYPD can protect all the Republicans at their convention, they can protect this one man.

    Seeing that hole in person makes the deaths and devastation more real. If we don’t, he is free to make the case that this, like the Holocaust, is imaginary.

  • I can’t believe these comments so matter of factly mention attacking Iran as if that is somehow an acceptable event when it should be a shocking unacceptable possibility. Name one place where anyone has agreed with the disaster of 9/11. Of course we should honor his willingness to lay a wreath at our disaster site. It demonstrates our willingness to believe this was done by terrorists and not Muslims or Iranians or Islamists. It demonstrates that we know the difference and that this mission of our to get rid of the terrorists is not a mission to get rid of anyone believing in the faith of Islam.
    Remarks by Guiliani, McCain, Lieberman and Graham sound just as insane to the Iranians as this guy does to Americans and they aren’t so familiar with our democratic process to not think these are our leaders instead of big mouth politicians who hopefully won’t be around much longer…and not to mention Cheney.

    To deny this gesture for security reasons says a lot about our nation…are we saying we can’t protect our visitors? This is a gesture which should bring our countries closer in understanding and the right is rejecting it for pure prejudice toward Islam. This makes the tragedy of 9/11 all the more tragic.

  • That hole, as you put it Jen, is now a construction site. Got get that “Freedom” Tower built under a deadline.

  • This proposed visit to ground zero IS a publicity stunt but not for the west.
    This is purely for the Umma, the Muslim body politic.

    Those of you that see nothing bad about his visit are incredibly naïve, when & if the video airs in Muslim lands the captioning & narrative will NOT be what you thought it would be. It will be ”lays a wreath in veneration of the great jihadi warriors that died killing the infidels”. You people are simple fools. Welcome to the complex world of Machiavellian politics.

  • Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which. –Animal Farm

  • the nuances and complexities of the situation deserve more than a knee jerk.

    Yup.

    But of course, that’s what we get. Gotta remember that 1/3 of Americans still think Saddam was personally in on the 9/11 attacks. I wonder how many of them thing Iran was?

  • Yes, Rivenburg and ssimmers, we all know that all brown people/Muslims were responsible for 9/11 –no need to remind us.

    And, you don’t have to mention that there really were WMD in Iraq and Saddam was in on 9/11. We know that too.

    Who do you take us for? Incorrigible Reich Wing Authoritarians or something?

  • Everyone from the White House, to the Hillary Clinton campaign, to most of the Republican presidential field, all denounced […]

    Interesting grouping, suggesting a — not entirely palatable — meeting of minds. Is she gonna tap Lieberman as her Vice too, maybe?

    Ahmadinejad may be a preening cock and a nut but he’s head of a state, same as our own preening cock; the two are but two sides of the same nutty coin. And, if he wants to make a gesture, it’s the right gesture to make. Might even be no more empty than the photo-op gestures our own nutjob has indulged in.

    Question: have any other heads of state make such wreath-laying “pilgrimages” to the Ground Zero since ’01? If they had and we don’t allow Ahmadinejad the same courtesy then we’re looking right idiots in the eyes of the world which already thinks of us as arrogant fools.

  • Rivenburg, you have it spot on. What he wants to do is fool us into believing he is laying the wreath for the innocent folks who died there. What a majority of people here do not realize is that he believes everyone that died at ground zero with the exception of the attackers and other incidental muslims…. are infidels and not by his standards “innocent”. He would most definatley be laying the wreath for the attackers and the video would be a HUGE propaganda tool. Wake up everyone and do some reading about Islam…….

  • I’m with what Anonymous Liberal said. This isn’t about him, this is about us. Denying him makes us the bad guy. I’m proud to say that was my first thought when I read the article.

    And I strongly suspect the “safety and security” (as in not political) concerns is a load of bull, and the reason he is being denied is still political.

  • Rivernburg, ssimers and Casador – you are all missing the point. I am perfectly willing to assume what you speculate is correct. He will use the video for propaganda at home, taken out of context and twisted.

    So what?

    a) If it isn’t this particular footage, he will still find plenty of ways to make propaganda film at home. Stopping his visit to Ground Zero doesn’t change that one bit.

    b) We let a lot of people engage in a lot of freedom of movement, freedom of association, and freedom of speech in this country who don’t have the best of intentions in their exercise of those activities. That is part of being a free country: sometimes you take the bad or bad-intentioned with the good. As I mentioned above, that aspect of it is no different than the Nazis marching in Skokie. Indeed, this sort of thing happens all the time, albeit without quite so high a profile – people do things to incite a reaction for their own ill-intended PR purposes. Making a big deal out of it looks weak and gives the would-be PR-maker exactly what they want: attention. The strength of this country and its freedoms is that we can easily withstand the occasional persons who misuse our rights, and have for over 200 years.

  • the obvious part in all this is the kneejerk reaction our cowboy politicians gave was EXACTLY the reaction Ahmadinejad wanted from us. We played right into his hands.

    I can all but guarantee he’ll say the following soon: “We came in peace, and the Americans rejected us.”

  • Or maybe he just wants to honor the Hi-Jackers. Yeah we should allow that. -ssinners

    Right on! After all, we live in Iran, the land of the free!

    You idiots are no better than those you profess to be at war with.

    http://www.goarmy.com

    Enlist if you’re so impassioned.

  • One thing I find interesting is that this denial of access by the Iranian President (I won’t try to spell his name and don’t feel like cutting and pasting) was actually a bi-partisan thing…yet the Republicans apparently did it and are narrow-minded and whatever other stereotype you want to throw out there.

    My point is this: the issue shouldn’t be the “us vs. them” mentality that is adopted by most of us Americans these days (D vs. R in this case). The problem is the system and not the teams playing it. They’re just a symptom. Nothing will change as long as you guys keep inside the box the architects of the political system made for you.

    As far as the actual issue, smarter people could have turned this into a pro-American PR event and beat this guy at his own game as well as ease some of the tension between the West and the East. Oh well.

  • “Wake up everyone and do some reading about Islam…….”

    Huh???

    Apparently, “use infidels as propaganda tool” is one of those lesser known Pillars or Islam.

  • …by the Iranian President (I won’t try to spell his name and don’t feel like cutting and pasting)… -DaveOner

    Actually, this reminds me why I like the watch the MSM when Iran is in the news: I love watching the morons stumble and fall all over his name! I swear, it’s simply not that hard to say. Even if you’re going to say it wrong, just commit.

    Instead you get 40 seconds of:

    “Ah..ahm..idina..ha..ah..maha…mahatma ghandi.”

    MSM, seriously, get phonetic teleprompters if you’re going to use former cheerleaders with botoxed smiles to rely your rhetoric.

    Mah – mood

    Ah – mahd – in – a – jahd.

  • I’m conflicted on this. Iranians were the ONLY people in the Middle East to hold candlelight vigils to show their support for the United States after the 9/11 attacks. If letting their president visit the site helps promote goodwill between the U.S. and the regular people of Iran, I think the visit would be in our best interests.

  • I lived in Iran in 1970. I was treated very well, generally. I once incorrectly called an Iranian an Arab. I was corrected promptly but without anger. I was informed that, “we are Persians!”. I subsequently learned that one of their revered poets, Ferdosi born in 935 b.c. , is read today with as much pleasure as he was for the last 1000 years. I doubt very much if he wished to lay the wreath for some insulting reason.
    I suspect if he wanted to make any point it was that “we are not Arabs”!
    Remember; we overthrew their honestly elected President, Mosadegh, in the 50s because the US and England considered him, “too socialist” and were afraid he would nationalize their oil industry. I wonder if one of our leaders would offer to lay a wreath in a nation that had overthrown an election of ours then installed their own man for over 20 years, (a tyrant), in the place of our elected official. We really need to be to see ourselves from outside our own blinders. Honor is very very important in that part of the world. We have just handed the Iranians, the Shites and Islam in general an insult that will be remembered for a long, long time.
    David Chisholm

  • Who is Ahmadinejad:

    http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2605

    Crimes of Islamic Republic:

    http://www.abfiran.org/english/memorial.php

    Massacre of prisoners in 1987 where bodies of thousands of prisoners were dumped in mass graves: He should visit that graveyard with tombless graves first and put a wreath there:

    http://fleetingperusal.blogspot.com/2007/04/this-is-what-left-endorses.html

    Islamic republic of lies:

    http://fleetingperusal.blogspot.com/2007/09/islamic-republic-of-lies.html

    David Chislom: Iranians don’t define themseleves in terms of their religion, never have and never will. The revolution unfortunately was hijacked by the Islamist thugs and that is where we are today.

    http://www.democratiya.com/interview.asp?issueid=9

    The mullahs do but they are only a small minority and they mostly considered non-Iranian Tazis or collaborators.

    Visit these sites, if you want to know what Iranians really think:

    http://www.Iranian.com

    http://kamangir.net

  • Iran is allied with Al-Qaeda.
    Why is Bin Laden’s son there?
    They are both Islamo-Fascist.
    You Leftists are traitors!
    Death to Islam!

  • Here I thought I was the only one who wondered what in heaven the administration is thinking. (Though the last two commenters might lend me a clue.)
    He asked PERMISSION.

    If he’d just done it, would we have thought to stop him?
    Might we have applauded? (once we picked our jaws up…)

  • America did business with Stalin prior to and during the second world war, right after Stalin had executed, over 1 million Kulaks and other undesirables, including almost all his senior military officers. The people who most promoted this business were generally businessmen, few of whom, I believe were lefties. America recruited many of the lower level Nazis into our intelligence services after the war. America also gave protection to many Japanese medical personell who ran the experimental death camp in China where many Chinese and a few Americans, British and Australians were infected with Plague and many other diseases then allowed to die so as to study the course of the disease. The Japanese medical people call them, “logs”. And while we are counting, how many native American Indians were killed in order to occupy their land. So you Trolls who are baying for blood and frothing at the mouth should be careful about “casting the first stone”. None of us are innocent but most of us are trying to be a better person, are you Trolls?
    David Chisholm

  • David,
    You’re a Typical naive we are the world Leftist.
    Iran is one of the most vile regime.
    They stone Women and Gays!
    I thought you Leftists stood for Women and Gay rights?
    They persecute Jews, Christians, Zoroastorinas and Atheists.
    I thought the Left stood for Minority rights?

    Iran is harboring Bin Laden’s son Sayeed and other high Al-Qaeda operatives.
    In fact some Al-Qaeda operations have been plan and organized in Iran with approval of the Revolutionary Guards.
    See you Leftists support Iran because they’re against the Judeo-Christian order you Leftists hate.
    Iran is the new darling of the Left.
    That’s why Leftists praised even David Duke since he supports there regime.

    Down with the Leftist-Islamic-Nazi alliance!

  • The Leftists-Islamic-Nazi alliance!
    The convergence of Mohamad, Stalin, Mao, The KKK and the Nazis=
    The Modern Left!

  • America did business with Stalin prior to and during the second world war…

    David Chisholm
    —————————

    Hey idiot! Are you defending Stalin? You do realize that two wrongs don’t make a right don’t you? You aren’t arguing that, since the U.S. once did business with terrorists that means it was O.K. and anyone should be afforded the same opportunity, are you? Do you condone the Japanese internment camps that U.S. had during WWII?
    If not, why?

    Who are you to cast the first stone!

    You know what, Dave? You’re a knuckleheaded motherf*cker! Your Relativist opinions are a disgrace to humanity.
    F*ck you.

  • Gosh, Mr Pres,
    I forgot the 2 million Vietnamese that we were reponsible for killing and oh, yes, how about 58,000 Americans during the same war. I guess the 750,000 Iraqis we have killed during this war don’t count? Not to mention the 3000+ American troops already dead. Why don’t you join them? You seem awfully brave under you psudonym, (that means false name, in case you don’t have a dictionary). Of course you express youself pretty well by all the cursing you’re doing so I guess you would be great cannon fodder, or have you stopped wetting your pants yet every time GWB says “terrists”?
    Go sleep off whatever you’ve got that makes you act so vile!
    DC

  • I guess the 750,000 Iraqis we have killed during this war don’t count?
    ———-

    wtf are you talking about?

    Those Iraqis are the victims of Arab violence! IT’s part of there culture of death!

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