Stumbling onto Giuliani’s open secret

Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s personal life has been a mess for quite a while. No one needs to go dumpster diving to learn the details; they’re all out in the open — three marriages (including one to his cousin), repeated extra-marital affairs, left his second wife by way of a press conference (he told reporters before telling his spouse), estranged from his kids. “Family Man of the Year” he is not.

Apparently, though, no one is supposed to talk about this. Former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack (D), a close Hillary Clinton ally, had the audacity to allude to reality during a TV interview this week, and all of a sudden, our suddenly-scandal-averse press corps are all a flutter.

Rudolph W. Giuliani’s marital history seeped into the presidential campaign yesterday, a day after a supporter of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton drew attention to Mr. Giuliani’s personal life in a television interview in New York.

Mr. Vilsack told New York 1, the cable news channel, that voters in the rest of the country would come to know details about Mr. Giuliani’s life that people in New York have known for years…. Pressed for details, Mr. Vilsack replied: “I can’t even get into the number of marriages and the fact that his children — the relationship he has with his children — and what kind of circumstance New York was in before September the 11th and whether or not he could have even been re-elected as mayor prior to September the 11th.”

The Giuliani campaign swiftly linked the remarks to Mrs. Clinton. “It’s not surprising the Clinton campaign is going negative and personal so early,” a statement from the Giuliani camp said.

Maybe someone can explain this to me. Rudy Giuliani is willing to march in a St. Patrick’s Day Parade with his mistress — an acknowledgement of infidelity so audacious that an NYC columnist compared it with “groping in the window at Macy’s” — but in the midst of a presidential campaign, it’s wrong to suggest that Giuliani has a messy personal life?

Who wrote these rules? And why didn’t they apply in the 1990s?

So far, the bulk of the media attention is skipping right over the fact that Vilsack’s comments were accurate, and instead dwelling on the notion that he brought up some verboten subject. Here’s ABC’s Jake Tapper, for example:

Despite Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton’s longtime stated opposition to “the politics of personal destruction,” one of her top advisers has attacked the personal life of Republican presidential front-runner Rudy Giuliani.

Though this may be the first such high-profile attack on the personal life of a presidential hopeful launched in this highly competitive election season, the New York senator notably refused to distance herself from the comments.

Look, the media has been extraordinarily polite. Every reporter in the country knows about Giuliani’s scandalous personal life, but they’ve apparently all decided that there’s no reason to cover a presidential race by noting a candidate’s shameful conduct.

I’m just not sure how the media managed to come to this conclusion now, while holding the Clintons to an entirely different standard. In 1992, every major news outlet in the country insisted that Bill Clinton had “character” issues after a tabloid ran a story about an affair. This breathless interest in his personal life continued on through his presidency — and beyond.

Indeed, as recently as a year ago, the New York Times published a 2,000-word, front-page dissection of the Clintons’ marriage. It contained no real news, few named sources, and plenty of gossip masquerading as political coverage. Observing that the Clintons typically spend 14 days of each month together — hardly unusual for a couple that includes a senator and a peripatetic former president — the Times opted for the half-empty conclusion that the two lead “largely separate lives.” The story also made an oblique reference to a Canadian politician named Belinda Stronach, the significance of which would likely be grasped only by insiders and people who read tabloids at supermarket check-outs. In a cover article last year, the Globe claimed that Stronach and Clinton were more than just good friends.

But if Vilsack mentions Giuliani’s personal life, even in passing, it’s the “politics of personal destruction”? Are you kidding me?

Even Giuliani himself said at a recent GOP debate, “The reality is that I think someone’s private life, someone’s family life, is something that you all look into to determine how are they going to conduct themselves in public office.”

With all of this in mind, why do reporters want us to believe that Vilsack did something wrong by alluding to accurate scandals that the media already knows about?

The MSM is more upset at not being the arbiter of taste and culture (ie: setting the agenda) than highlighting the fact that Roodee married a borderline psychopathic social climber with the grin of the Joker. Roodee must be their buddy or something.

  • Who wrote these rules? And why didn’t they apply in the 1990s?

    Or the 1980s. Go back and look at some of Gary Hart’s whitepapers from his ’84 campaign. He was absolutely freakin’ prescient on needed military reforms and economic reforms. No one knew or cared to learn what he had to say (or to benefit from that knowledge) because the blonde he was with was much more interesting (and easier to cover with a lower IQ).

  • This is not a problem. Rudy is trying to pick fights with Hillary like he thinks he’s in the general already. But he’s not going to the general. Romney is. Clinton is. Then the politics of personal destruction come back into this in a major way. Hillary’s been hardened like a diamond from fifteen years of intense scruity. We know everything. Plus she has the shield of Abigail Adams, et al. She can’t be dented. Romney can. Rudy certainly can and the more he makes a fight out of this the worse it is for him. Not that it matters. He’s not going to the general. Romney is.

  • Here is where the Clinton campaign can literally kill the Giuliani campaign once and for all. Hillary and Bill are on their first marriages, demonstrating the maturity and committment that is needed to build a strong relationship, a marriage, a country. Giuliani literally cuts and runs at the first sign of difficulty, leaving behind a wake of broken promises, broken relationships, and damaged people.

  • Oh, brother.

    Let me see if I can figure out where the problems are for Rudy and the GOP in this one.

    First, Rudy has the right to defend himself and respond as he chooses to whatever is said about him. He’s already said that one’s private life should be private. If that’s his position, does it become, by extension, the position of the GOP?

    Second, if the GOP has to come over to the side of private = private, in order to appear in sync with Rudy, how does that affect some of their other platform issues? Like, say, abortion, which a lot of people believe is pretty much a private matter. Like sexual orientation and gay marriage – again, pretty personal. How about the vaunted “family values” and the sanctity of marriage and the best-for-the-children-two parent home? How does someone with multiple marriages and divorces, adultery and children who were affected by all of it, act as the standard-bearer for these things?

    Finally, if the GOP says that Rudy represents them, is the GOP shifting its own positions, or just sacrificing their core beliefs in pursuit of political power?

    The GOP with Rudy: coming soon to a location between a rock and a hard place.

  • Looking for dirt in all the wrong places. Rudy will not stand scrutiny. There’s so much there that if held to the same treatment the press gave Bill Clinton, they could have buried Rudy by now. He’s zero across the board and the press refuses to spotlight him. It’s hardly the “politics of personal destruction” to turn your head and look.
    It’s like showing up at a party dressed as a rooster only to find it’s not a costume party. The press pretends Rudy is wearing a tux and accuses Vilsak and Clinton of using the “politics of personal destruction” for saying my god he’s dressed like a rooster.
    A rooster that cock-a-doodles 9/11 every morning.

  • I can’t believe ANY Democrat is worried about looking like “meanies”. Remember Kerik, Rudy’s mobbed-up best pal ever, and his scandalous cheater’s nest feathered with taxpayer dollars? The one he stole from the 9/11 rescue workers? Jesus these Republicans are dirtbags. And we should wipe their faces in their dirbaggery, because a) it’s a legitimate issue and b) because they would do to us in a heartbeat.

    But Nooooo…

    With all the shit Rudy did right out in the open, I wonder what a Democratic version of Ken Starr could dig up if they went digging around a little with money to pry loose information? And how many other Larry Craigs are there in the Republican party? We only found out about him because he hit on a cop. What if the Democrats hired someone to locate all the closeted gay Republicans who make their living cheating gay people out of their civil rights?

    The politics of personal attack is not going away, and we need to learn to play the game as well as they do, or we need to give up. Period. The pundits say “nobody likes negative politics”, but last time I checked they’re still fucking morons about everything. Literally everything. Negative advertising works, because it’s easier to make someone dislike someone than it is to get them to like someone. Get over it.

    I say if the Republicans hand you a lead pipe with their name on it, bash them over the head with it. Don’t hand it back to them hoping they won’t use it on you, unless and until they start acting like human beings. So far, that’s not happening. So wake the hell up.

    Dems keep bringing knives to a gunfight, and acting all surprised when they get killed.

  • Rudi’s personal indiscretions don’t matter to the GOP, party or press. Look at Reagan, divorced and half his children were estranged from him, and yet, he was elected and annointed the second coming.

  • The rules did apply back in the 1990/s …just not to everyone.

    They only applied to non-Republicans (like Clinton), because our media is now solidly Corporate/neocon Republican/destroy the earth for a buck/lie and misinform/propaganda ridden.

    Progressives need to buy a few good national TV stations, radio stations and newspapers… if they are to stand any chance against Corporate world dominion and propaganda.

  • racerx is right. let’s remember rudy had his own cheater’s nest (with private elevator!) in the bunker at WTC7. that’s why it had to be in walking distance of city hall! and he hadn’t started cheating with judi at the time, he was still cheating with christine.

  • bjobotts said:
    Looking for dirt in all the wrong places. Rudy will not stand scrutiny. There’s so much there that if held to the same treatment the press gave Bill Clinton, they could have buried Rudy by now.

    Actually, I firmly believe that if ANY Republican Presidential candidate were subjected to half of what the Clintons endured, they would be lucky to stay out of prison, much less be elected President of the United States.

    If George W. Bush had been investigated (his oil company, the Air National Guard, etc.) in 1999, he would never have been elected in 2000.

    Remember, folks, only liberals get investigated.

  • Republicans stand four-square behind the concept that what they do with their genitals is their business – and what you do with yours is their business too.

  • This is so simple. It doesn’t fit the media CW narrative about “America’s Mayor” and thus is not discussed. “We” simply know that “the Mayor” is steadfast and strong reliable. Whereas “we” all know that Hillary is cold and calculating, a money grubber, and probably a lesbian, so stories about her personal life are entirely reasonable.

  • Q: Who wrote these rules? And why didn’t they apply in the 1990s

    A: Newt Gingrich and Tom Delay. And they still only apply to Republicans.

    Democrats have to respond to every hit against their personal lives whether it’s true or not!

  • Having endured life in NYC when Rudy was the mayor, I can attest to the fact that it was something the general public knows nothing about. We were literally living in a police state mentality in which ordinary citizens were cautious in their dealings with the police. There was so much police harassment especially towards the homeless and the helpless, entrapment squads constantly roamed thru Central Park trying to get people to purchase pot from them so that the nearby undercover detail could arrest them for possession. Racial tensions in this city under Rudy were unreal, with numerous cases brought against the police department in which the police were found guilty. The number of civil rights abuse charges against him and his administration when he left office was unbelievable.

    The people of NYC couldn’t wait for Rudy to leave office. After 9/11 Rudy had the nerve to suggest that he was so indispensable that perhaps we should postpone the mayoral election and simply let him serve a third term. The people laughed at him. He was hated by us before 9/11 and is still hated by the vast majority of New Yorkers who prefer not living under his ruthless and corrupt administration.

    And while we’re at it… don’t forget that Rudy lived in an apartment with 2 gay male friends of his for a period of many months after his marriage… his second marriage broke up. I don’t have any problem at all with that being the case, but his supporters in Peoria might.

    Bury this man in the eyes of the public so that he goes back to being the insignificant politician he was on his way to being, before the tragedy that he’s milked to death for obvious reasons. If Rudy were to run for mayor of NYC he would be both booed and laughed out of town.

    The resident minority of New Yorkers who cheered Rudy on as mayor are the same minority of New Yorkers who support the radical, militant, war crazed policies of the war monger currently living in the White House.

    One last thing… some investigative work should be done regarding the lady Rudy’s now married to and hopes to turn into the First Lady of this nation. She was known as an upper east side social climbing gold digger. I live in the upper east side, and that’s what her reputation is known to be to New Yorkers.

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