Limbaugh calls service members who support withdrawal ‘phony soldiers’

In light of the controversy surrounding MoveOn.org’s criticism of Gen. David Petraeus, I couldn’t help but notice that Rush Limbaugh smeared countless U.S. service members — ranging in rank from private to general — who dare to believe that withdrawal from Iraq is a good idea. As Limbaugh described it, those in uniform who disagree with him are “phony soldiers.”

During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq “phony soldiers.” He made the comment while discussing with a caller a conversation he had with a previous caller, “Mike from Chicago,” who said he “used to be military,” and “believe[s] that we should pull out of Iraq.”

Limbaugh told the second caller, whom he identified as “Mike, this one from Olympia, Washington,” that “[t]here’s a lot” that people who favor U.S. withdrawal “don’t understand” and that when asked why the United States should pull out, their only answer is, ” ‘Well, we just gotta bring the troops home.’ … ‘Save the — keeps the troops safe’ or whatever,” adding, “[I]t’s not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.” “Mike” from Olympia replied, “No, it’s not, and what’s really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.” Limbaugh interjected, “The phony soldiers.” The caller, who had earlier said, “I am a serving American military, in the Army,” agreed, replying, “The phony soldiers.”

Limbaugh, who avoided military service, feels entirely justified in questioning the patriotism of those who did. When Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), a decorated veteran of the war in Vietnam, stood with Democrats in opposition to Bush’s Iraq policy, Limbaugh labeled him “Senator Betray Us.” A few months earlier, after Bush said decent people can disagree about the war forward in Iraq, Limbaugh took issue with the president’s comment:

“I want to respectfully disagree with the president on the last part of what he said. I am going to challenge the patriotism of people who disagree with him because the people that disagree with him want to lose.”

And if that means smearing those who serve in the military, so be it.

MoveOn questioned the integrity of one general. In contrast, Rush Limbaugh described thousands of U.S. troops — including dozens of generals — who recognize the folly of Bush’s Iraq policy as “phony soldiers.”

Where’s our congressional resolution?

We’re living in a “wonderful world of umbrage,” but only when the criticisms are going in one direction. As far as Limbaugh is concerned, those seven U.S. troops who denounced Bush’s policy in an NYT op-ed last month? Phonies. VoteVets.org? Phonies. Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America? Phonies. Gens. Clark, Zinni, Eaton, Batiste, and Johns? None of them count as “real,” because they have the gall to disagree with Limbaugh.

Will this now dominate the news cycle? Will Republicans face pressure to denounce Limbaugh? Will GOP leaders publicly commit not to appear on his show anymore? Will his advertisers be targeted?

Of course not. That’s just not how the game is played right now. Those who wear the uniform will find respect and gratitude among conservatives — just so long as they stick to the talking points. If not, they’re just another adversary who needs to be smeared.

Just to be clear, I genuinely don’t want our political discourse dominated by competing press releases, with each side denouncing the other’s political allies for intemperate rhetoric. The right denounces MoveOn, prompting the left to denounce Limbaugh, prompting the right to denounce Michael Moore, prompting the left to denounce O’Reilly….

We’d have to devote considerable time on the House and Senate floors for daily censure resolutions for those who occasionally say outrageous things. That hardly strikes me as a good idea, but given the conservative freak-out over MoveOn, that seems to be where some of us want to go.

“Limbaugh, who avoided military service, feels entirely justified in questioning the patriotism of those who did.”

welcome to bizarro world. there’s a part of me that wishes some highly decorated iraq veteran will walk up to limbaugh and knock him on his hypocritical ass.

  • …and people who fight the war from the safety of their computer keyboards are heros.

    As I said during Petreaus — they don’t respect Veterans. Not if you gave three limbs for this country. Horoism and treason are defined by a simple yes or no question: do you, or do you not, support George Bush categorically in his war?

    Military service has nothing to do with it. Service IS working for Romney’s campaign. They don’t care about the soldiers, never did, except in so much as they can be used to hide behind as they force through their extremist policies.

    Love the war. Hate the soldier.

  • Flush Rimjaughb had diarrhea of the mouth again, isn’t that cute. Disgusting pig (no offense to disgusting pigs everywhere).

    Operation Chickenhawk onward to Iran!

  • “Limbaugh, who avoided military service (because he had a pimple on his butt), feels entirely justified in questioning the patriotism of those who did.”

  • He belongs to that army know as invincible in peace and invisible in war .
    W.T. Sherman
    I would love to see him do an interview with Kevin Tillman , even better , Ann Coulter in a room with Mary Tillman .

  • Humm…Didn’t two of those “phony” soldiers die very real deaths about 2 weeks ago? Nice job, Rush- what have you sacrificed for the war lately?

  • Just to be clear, I genuinely don’t want our political discourse dominated by competing press releases, with each side denouncing the other’s political allies for intemperate rhetoric.

    I do. It’ll never end until Democrats stop being doormats.

  • I agree with Steve M. If the Dems dont have a Congressional Resolution condemning Limbaugh on the floor by tomorrow, they’re a bunch of “phony legislators.”

    I strongly dislike the “intemperate rhetoric,” but every call for it to stop seems to be timed when we have them in a corner and are about to get a clean shot – never when the R’s have their boot heels on our necks. When I hear a call for “bipartisanship” that isn’t really a call for unilateral Democratic surrender, I’ll take the concept more seriously.

  • The really interesting thing here, though, is that Limbaugh’s show is actually one of the radio shows that’s broadcast in Iraq on Armed Forces Radio, courtesy of Bush political appointees, of course. I’d be really curious to know what the active-duty soldiers currently serving in Iraq, but who disagree with the war and think we should pull out, were thinking when they heard this

    Limbaugh goes pretty far over the top without consequence on a regular basis, but calling serving soldiers unpatriotic is a pretty big fucking deal. Wonder if we can get a mic to a few of them to call in …

  • It’s very simple really:

    Soldiers who disagree with the 30% = phony soldiers
    Republicans who disagree with the 30% = phony Republicans
    Christians who don’t vote Republican = phony Christians
    Americans who don’t go along with the “30%” = phony Americans

    You do the math. 100% of real soldiers, real Republican, real Christians and real Americans believe the war in Iraq is a great idea. How can 300 million people (with the exception of the 210 million who don’t count) possibly be wrong?

  • Perhaps Mr McCain would like to make a speech in front of the VFW—and demand that we kick Rush out of the country. Maybe someone will submit a “sense of the Senate” resolution condemning Rush Limbaugh. Maybe the chickenhawk brigade will demand his deportation to Cuba.

    But no-ooooooooooooooo…that would entail that the right prove itself as something more than a bunch of tail-tucking, draft-dodging, yellow-dog cowards.

    If these conservative whack-job leeches want to attack Iran so badly, then I say let let them be the first wave to cross the Iranian frontier. They can thus either prove their mettle, or—in the words of Mr. Shakespeare—they can “hold their manhoods cheap….”

  • No big surprises here. We’re talking about the drug addicted welfare queen who got rich screaming about junkies and welfare recipients.

    I don’t have a problem with a resolution to flush Rush and I don’t see it as sinking to the level of the Shame on MO.O Resolution. Ask yourself this: How many elected Democrats regularly sit down for chats with MO.O (which isn’t nearly as offensive as the Fat One)? Now compare that number to the number of elected ReThugs, including the fucking Vice President of the United States who appear on that arsehole’s show at least once a month.

  • Where’s our congressional resolution?

    The problem is that progressives don’t play petty games like this. Even if they did, it would wind up making them look bad. They’re held to a higher standard by both the media and the electorate.

    What I would like to see is a resolution to condemn political hypocrisy using this as an example.

  • On the other hand….while I am a liberal pacifist and do not believe the US has the right to invade nations and impose ‘sanctions’ all over the world…Mr Limbaugh does have freedom of speech and while most of the people reading this hate his guts, millions of people listen to him and are led by him and he gets paid very well for what he does.

    So he laughs all the way to the bank, as they say.

  • There’s not really any way to stop the sea change in the modern political discourse that a sizable minority (Limbaugh is sizable by himself) have created. We might as well fight it on its own terms until the people get sick with all of it. They won’t stop until we force them to.

  • If Congress can’t do equal time condemnations about people like Rush, why doesn’t Moveon? I can see Moveon collate some of Rush/Bill/Ann rants, and ask publically why Moveon was censured when they weren’t. It’s a good question.

  • Paul Hackett, Iraq veteran, said it best back in 2005
    ( http://mydd.com/story/2005/8/8/233333/1849 ) :

    “That’s typical for that fatass drug addict to come up with something like that. There’s a guy … I didn’t hear this, but actually when I was on drill this weekend, I’ve got to tell you, he lost a lot of Republican supporters with his comments. Because they were coming up to me, telling me, “I can’t believe he said that! Besides that, he called you a soldier. He doesn’t know the difference between a soldier and a marine!

    “So generally, the consensus is Rush doesn’t know squat about patriotism. He’s typical of the new Republican. He’s got a lot of lip and he doesn’t walk the walk. The fact of the matter is, I went to Iraq to serve my country. I left my nice house, my nice wife by my choice because I thought it was the right thing to do. And man, if I was good enough to be able to see into the future that Rob Portman was going to step down from Congress, I mean I should actually be running for something a lot more than Congress. I went to Iraq because I wanted to serve my country and be with my Marines.

    “I think it probably says more about Rush Limbaugh than it does anybody else that he comes up with those thought processes. And I think it’s indicative of today’s Republican party, which is patriotic lite translated to anybody who serves their country who truly who truly serves their country and demonstrates it by their actions as opposed to their flapping gums.

    “They want to attack us. But the fact of the matter is they can attack me, but I punch back just as hard as I get. Ask Rush how come he wasn’t taking phone calls for the two days when he was on the attack with me. Ask him why his phone lines were clogged up. That’s because he was getting thousands of calls from veterans from this war and other wars who were clogging up his phone lines, giving him an earful.”

    Damn straight.

    Here’s a good question for the conservative Sunday roundtable this weekend:
    “So do you agree with this Viagra/Oxycontin-speedballing, draft-dodging, puke-piece-of-shit?”

  • The Democrats could introduce a resolution condemning this disgusting chickenhawk, but the Republicans would certainly filibuster it.

    Break out the cots!

  • since when does anyone listens to a drug addict, the republikkkan christian right thats who.the rush is a pill popper and the christians love this guy. makes you wonder about these so call christians.

  • Email your congressmen. I sent this to McCain, Kyl, Flake, Reid, Pelosi and Bush:

    Since you deemed it necessary to condemn MoveOn for it’s comments about Bush’s boy the General, I certainly hope the same treatment will be given to Rush Limbaugh for his “phony soldiers” comments.

    Bury em in email and let em know we’re watching

  • KO calls him, “Comedian Rush Linbaugh” whenever he qualifies for the “Worst Person in the World”, which frequently happens. I laugh every time I hear it because I bet that burns that fat rear end. Problem is – if he was a comedian, he’d be out of work a long time ago and probably be standing in line for SCHIP money.

  • Here’s the issue: they want to divert attention to a question of authenticity rather than the actual issue. What they are accidentally conceding is that if Rush did say this, it’s indefensible, so they’re trying to change the debate. Clearly, the Republican Party does not want to get into a debate about whether serving your country is all it takes for respect, rather than fealty to Bush. They want to debate “did he say it” rather than, “Can you be against the war and a good soldier?”

  • You could not be more WRONG!

    You fell for it! You, like the rest of them, have totally taken rush’s words out of context and look like fools and Phony Americans. Watch this video, which is the ENTIRE context of his statements. You owe it to yourselves to do proper research.

    Rush’s Video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY

    Here is ABCNews’ video on Phony War Vets only a few days prior to Rush’s comments:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwnW08uUCLY

    Here is how Media Matters lies:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA3KE7naoSA&mode=related&search=

    Please, I don’t mean to offend. I am just frustrated by too many in this country not actually doing research, only believing what they hear once, without actually looking for themselves for the truth.

    God bless this country, and God bless our troops!

  • ‘phony soldiers’ Do you feel a little bit like a puppet, maybe you are. You’ve gotten totally caught up in the wrangling of 2 parties fighting for power and have forgotten what your mission is as a citizen. If you don’t like the way your representative is supporting your position, vote his butt out of office. Don’t forget who the real enemy is, it’s those that want to kill you because you don’t believe the way they do. Let’s work together to get the govenment we need to protect our country and our borders!

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