Targeting Limbaugh’s role on Armed Forces Radio

About a week after right-wing blowhard Rush Limbaugh attacked U.S. troops who disagree with him on Iraq policy, the subject seems to have grown stale. Dems did their best to generate interest in the story, but the political establishment only seems to care when MoveOn criticizes one soldier, not when Limbaugh criticizes thousands of soldiers.

Worse, any hope that congressional Republicans would be even-handed about this, criticizing Limbaugh the way congressional Dems criticized MoveOn, proved to be naive. In fact, at least one GOP lawmaker wants to reward Limbaugh for smearing troops. How tiresome.

Progressives, Dems, and veterans’ groups can call for an apology that will never come, they can call for condemnations that will never materialize, and they can ask Limbaugh’s employer for some kind of punishment that will never be imposed, but it’s a frustrating endeavor.

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, however, has a feasible idea.

It’s time to put real pressure on Rush Limbaugh. His show is broadcast on Armed Forces Radio, and this time we are going to go straight to the lifeblood of Rush’s show — Congress. Congress has the power to remove Rush Limbaugh from Armed Forces Radio, and it won’t be as easy for elected officials to ignore our call.

Tax dollars are used to fund Armed Forces Radio, and that money is not intended for radio show hosts to spout insults at our soldiers. These “phony soldiers” have simply exercised their right to free speech, as Rush Limbaugh does on a daily basis. Simply because a majority of our troops who return from Iraq disagree with Rush on Bush’s failed war policy does not give him the right to dishonor their service.

Unlike Rush Limbaugh, members of Congress cannot casually brush off the concerns of citizens. Since Rush won’t listen to us, we’re going directly to Congress, who can prevent him from disrespecting and censoring the voices of our soldiers.

Indeed, Limbaugh has a history of these kinds of attacks, going after Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel (whom he labeled “Senator Betray Us”), and Democratic war heroes like John Kerry and Jack Murtha.

Why should taxpayers pay to put Limbaugh on Armed Forces Radio? It’s not enough that he’s paid handsomely to broadcast nonsense stateside?

For what it’s worth, and I think it’s worth quite a bit, VoteVets.org is continuing to keep the pressure on, unveiling a new ad targeting Limbaugh for his attack.

I’d just add that the conservative clowns just can’t help themselves. Right-wing commentator Melanie Morgan was on Fox News last night, insisting that Limbaugh was right to smear troops who support withdrawal from Iraq, calling them “soldiers who are fake, or who are embellishers, or who are posers.”

She even went after VoteVets.org Chairman Jon Soltz, who served honorably in both Kosovo and Iraq, personally, accusing him of trying to “undermine the real mission of our troops, our heros who are out there.”

Some support the troops, some support the mission, but fewer and fewer support both.

I’m ahead of the curve for once! Before reading this post, I got an email from Clark about the ‘dump Rush’ petition, and signed it right away!

  • Now that sounds like an actual idea. Not a stupid letter condemning free speech, but hitting him in the pocketbook for being disrespectful to the troops.

    This Clark guy ought to run for something. Oh, right.

  • I would put it to them this way: Until Rush Limbaugh apologizes to the troops he slimed, he doesn’t get to be on the radio. If he does, then fine. And anytime Rush wants to visit Iraq he can do so, unless his giant bunion flares up again.

  • Racerx wrote: “And anytime Rush wants to visit Iraq he can do so, unless his giant bunion flares up again.”

    Now, now, be fair to Rush: it wasn’t a bunion, it was a pilonidal cyst , a condition so incredibly debilitating that when I had one, I didn’t even notice it for over a year (a doctor finally pointed it out to me).

  • I dunno about this one. Much as I loathe Rush, could this set a bad precedent? I’ not the least bit familiar with armed forces radio, but are there liberal/progressive/non-crentious shows on Armed Forces Radio? Could we inadvertantly set an example when the Rethugs are in power again of them yanking progressive voices off of publically-fundeded media? Goodness knows they went after NPR, you know.

    Just my $0.02 worth.

  • Tiresome indeed. The more things change the more they remain the same…

    (1994) Flush Rush!: Lakeland, Florida — Rush Limbaugh, the loud-mouthed darling of the Religious Right, has taken on an additional responsibility. With a reported $1 million contract, he’s the newly anointed spokesperson for the Florida Citrus Commission. The group found itself mired in controversy a number of years ago when their then official spokesperson, Anita Bryant, led a virulently anti-gay crusade in Florida. Now the Florida Citrus Commission has outdone itself with the appointment of America’s leading bigot.

  • I freaking LOVE this idea. I think it takes care of the problem people had about the Resolution because for the wonks that despise politics, this is good policy. I can’t tell you how much I like this idea.

    This, for me, was such a blatant example of the Bush Adminstration’s politicization and exploitation of the military, and a perfect example of the thinking behind the “phony soldiers” comment that claims our soldiers can only be Republican. I simply see no way one can justify spending tax payer dollars to broadcast this partisan filth. If it fails, then we need to broadcast Air America.

  • A right wing smear machine…nothing will happen…Bush will step in at the last minute and pardon Rush.
    Cheney will appear on his show to gain support for attacking Iran and demand his interview be carried by Armed services radio.

    Reid must face the fact that the republicans have made themselves enemies to democracy and should only be treated like the roaches they are. I knew their outrage over Move on was phony and just another way to get donations and belittle democrats. See senate dems, they tricked you into being fools for them again. If you have any pride left…stop believing anything these fascist say.
    Rush will be taunting the “liberals” with his bull again tonight and senate repubs will be laughing their condescending asses off at Feinstein, McCaskill,Webb, and others. What a pity.
    The party of Hypocrisy demonstrates again that they don’t give a shit about the principle, just how they can use it to smear democrats. Move On did less than Rush did but they condemn Move on and become totally silent when Rush does it. Dems should have known better with a group like this.
    It’s like an auto manufacturer condemning the union and making them strike stopping production. All the other auto manufacturers tell them what a great job they are doing and encourage them to continue making the union strike…meanwhile they are turning out cars at a rate of 500/day. That’s how the dems should feel about that stupid condemnation of their base about now…foolish.

  • Jack Kingston is my congressman [/cringe]. This is a heavily military, conservative district (Fort Stewart, Hunter Army Airfield, and more — every branch including the Coast Guard — we are on the coast, after all) but a retired Lt Col has announced that he will oppose Kingston (a former insurance salesman who never served — but he talks REAL big) as a democrat. It’s also a relatively heavy college student district, considering the population (Savannah State U., Armstrong Atlantic State U., Savannah College of Art and Design, South University). So, I’m hopeful that the later will overcome the former.

  • Much as I loathe Rush, could this set a bad precedent?

    Yep. Can and will. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth when some RePutz introduces legislation to cut NPR from AFN’s radio or Will & Grace from AFN’s TV schedule. Hey look, they show Army Wives, mightn’t that program contain slanderous portrayals of soldiers and their families? Better get rid of it.

    Link to AFN.

    Letters to Clear Channel’s CEO; Boycotts of Clear Channel stations and the companies who advertise through the station and CC’s advertising branch; a donation to VoteVets.Org are all appropriate responses. Fucking with the 1st Am. to “protect” people who are sworn to defend it by people who are sworn to defend it…do I need to point out the dangerous levels of irony here?

  • I too signed the letter from Wes Clark, and added a nice little bit targeted at my own BlueDog rep (Melissa Bean). I even received an auto-reply from her — wo-hoo!

    But I have an idea. . .instead of continuing to propagandize the troops stationed in Iraq, and especially those who Limbaugh insists are “phony soldiers”, how about just letting them come home so they don’t “undermine the mission”? They could be replaced in Iraq with all the chickenhawks.

    This would solve so many problems I can’t even count that high!

  • As a mobilized reservist sent overseas, I just spent a year listening to AFN (Armed Forces Network) radio. You might be suprised to know that AFN is one of the most balanced networks on the planet – I heard NPR, Air America’s Al Franken show, Rush Limbaugh, Tom Joyner, Ed Schultz as well as Kim Komando’s computer show and a wide variety of sport talk shows.

    I was in the Pentagon when Rush was put on AFN in 1992. The bottom line is the AFN mission is to bring popular stateside entertainment to the troops. If he’s popular (and he is, like it or not) you will be seen as hurting the troops if you try to take it away.

    Also – Rush is an entertainer. MoveOn is a PAC. Hence the difference in the reaction. Reasonable or not, that is it.

  • Nope, Nope, taxpayers don’t foot NPR’s bills, at least not many of them; I believe it’s less than 7% of the NPR budget. The rest comes from grants, underwriting, and listener donations. Perhaps that’s why it doesn’t truckle to the administration and isn’t overtly partisan.

  • Clark is bobbing and weaving and juking and jiving—he said the surge was working and the Soros-cide cabal told him as penance he would have to do many acts of contrition. This Dump Rush gig is just one of them. The guy is a chameleon on plaid.

  • NPR is not a partisan hack. Their viewers tend to be the most informed about matters of fact, which I suppose makes them a member of the reality based community by default, but it’s not an advocate the way MoveOn is.

    Let them try to get rid of whatever they think is liberal. That’s the advantage to not having any liberal outlets. There are none to throw off the radio. Until they put Air America on, it’s an empty threat.

  • Responding to his critics on Friday’s show, Limbaugh said he was referring to one soldier specifically, Jesse MacBeth, a vocal war critic who falsely claimed to have served in Iraq. So get your facts straight you socialist morons. Stop feeding off each other’s lies and find out the truth!

  • Why this drug addicted, hate mongerer, rabble rousing fool is allowed to peddle his wares on any station, much less armed forces radio is beyond me. I assume corportate America uses him well and pays him well.

    In fact when you look at GWB and Rush they both are sort of in the clown category. Whilst Dangerous Dick lurks in the background directing the scenes.

  • B Karmik said: “Responding to his critics on Friday’s show, Limbaugh said he was referring to one soldier specifically, Jesse MacBeth, a vocal war critic who falsely claimed to have served in Iraq.”

    So after the fact, after his comments drew some heat upon him, Rush suddenly ‘clarifies’ his remarks and says he’s referring to one soldier specifically. I guess Rush must have a hell of a lisp, ’cause he refers to ‘phony soldiers‘ in the original transcript.

    It’s a shame we don’t have audio comments here, so you could hear us ‘socialists’ laughing at you.

  • Nope,

    Why do taxpayers foot the bill for NPR?? Oh..but..but..that’s progressive…

    NPR is progressive? In what fantasy world is this?

  • The answer is orange:

    Can I get on AFN and say whatever I want? Who controls access to it? If there is any gatekeeper (whether a committee, or a person), then there is no first amendment issue with having Rush banned.

    When will people realize that the 1st amendment is about a right to free speech, not a right to a bull-horn? It is precisely the right to a bull-horn interpretation of the 1st amendment that leads to the view that campaign finance reform is unconstitutional, and also leads to your view that there is a free speech issue with banning Rush from AFN. Think about it…any resource that needs to be rationed, such as airtime on AFN, can’t be a constitutional right. Rights don’t need to be rationed…which is why rationing them is unconstitutional.

  • Can I get on AFN and say whatever I want? Who controls access to it? If there is any gatekeeper (whether a committee, or a person), then there is no first amendment issue with having Rush banned.

    Yes or No: You agreed with the resolution condemning MO.O for the Pet Raeus ad?

    When you’ve answered that please explain how Congress can force AFN to ban Flushie without violating the 1st Am. (Be sure to consult court rulings on 1st Am issues.)

    When you’ve done that you can explain what safeguards will be in place to keep some fRight Wing blowhard from saying (for example) “It has come to my attention that AFN broadcasts the show Will & Grace. Will & Grace contains homosexual characters and I don’t believe taxpayers should be forced to [insert same bullshit reasoning used to cut funds for Limpbags].”

    AFN also runs NPR. What if some host says something negative (or something that can be twisted and spun into something negative) about the US Army? Oops, guess we’ll need to ban NPR too and no one will be able to complain because they had such a big hard on for that bloated junkie they were willing to trash the Constitution a bit more just to get at him. Will you be happy then?

    I doubt it.

    To repeat what I’ve been saying for the past two or three fucking days. This can be handled by private citzens by dealing with a private company: Write Clear Channel to tell them you won’t listen to any of their stations while Flush is on the air. Here, I’ll make it easy for you by providing this link. E-mail addresses for Clear Channel’s Executives. Off you go, but leave the damn Constitution alone.

  • The answer is orange: thanks for completely ignoring my point and the one question I put to you…

    I will attempt to answer your questions to me, and then pose a few of my own back to you, in hopes that you will actually try to engage.

    1. I did not agree with the resolution condemning the Move On.org “Betray us” ad. But I had absolutely no fantasies about such a resolution being a violation of the letter of the 1st amendment (arguments could certainly be made that it was against the spirit of the 1st, but as there was no punishment prescribed, I think that’s even a stretch – it was just Congress taking up its right, however pointless, to voice its opinion on the ad).

    2. Congress can’t force AFN to ban Rush Limbaugh – but that doesn’t stop Wes Clark (who isn’t in Congress) from beginning a campaign to have him removed from its line-up. Again, unless there is unlimited access to AFN, someone must be deciding that Rush gets on, and others don’t. Who makes that call, and why aren’t they thrown in the slammer for violating the 1st amendment rights of me or anyone else that wants equal time to Rush on AFN? This question will be repeated below…I respectfully request that you please show me the same courtesy that I’m showing you here.

    3. The safeguards that will be in place to make sure that right-wing blowhards don’t have the power to ban NPR are the same one’s that prevent Congress from dictating AFN’s line-up to the gatekeeper’s at AFN – namely the arm’s length relationship between the two bodies.

    4. I won’t be happy to see Congress taking a more active role in deciding what gets on AFN, and what doesn’t, but as Wes Clark isn’t in Congress, I don’t see what the problem is.

    Questions for you:

    a. Who makes the programming decisions about AFN, and why aren’t they thrown in the slammer for violating the 1st amendment rights of me or anyone else that wants equal time to Rush on AFN?

    b. Does Congress have the right to exclude funding for AFN entirely (ie, nix the whole thing) from its budget? If not, does that mean there is a constitutional requirement for the American taxpayer to support AFN?

    c. Why is Wes Clark’s desire to see AFN drop Rush Limbaugh a Congressional Assault on AFN?

    d. What other constitutional rights are subject to funding by Congress? Which rights can be turned off simply by drying up public monetary support for them?

    I won’t ask you any more questions in this volley than you asked me in your response to me. If you could please have a go at responding to them, minus the faux- (or at least, IMHO, misguided) outrage exhibited by “Oops, guess we’ll need to ban NPR too and no one will be able to complain because they had such a big hard on for that bloated junkie they were willing to trash the Constitution a bit more just to get at him. Will you be happy then?” and “Off you go, but leave the damn Constitution alone.”

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