Dobson to GOP: I’m not bluffing

After attendees to the Council for National Policy’s meeting dished about their willingness to abandon the GOP if Rudy Giuliani gets the Republican presidential nomination, there was some talk that the religious right leaders were bluffing. There’s simply no way, the theory goes, that these far-right leaders would help elect a Democrat by withholding support from the GOP nominee.

Indeed, Giuliani himself seems to think the threats are irrelevant, in part because he hopes to win over conservative voters, even if he draws opposition from conservative leaders. Asked yesterday if he’s concerned about losing the religious right’s support, Giuliani said, “I don’t worry a lot.”

Focus on the Family’s James Dobson wrote an op-ed in the NYT today to clarify what happened at the CNP meeting, and what he plans to do next year.

After two hours of deliberation, we voted on a resolution that can be summarized as follows: If neither of the two major political parties nominates an individual who pledges himself or herself to the sanctity of human life, we will join others in voting for a minor-party candidate. Those agreeing with the proposition were invited to stand. The result was almost unanimous.

The other issue discussed at length concerned the advisability of creating a third party if Democrats and Republicans do indeed abandon the sanctity of human life and other traditional family values. Though there was some support for the proposal, no consensus emerged.

Of course, it’s worth remembering that Dobson & Co. don’t need to “create” a third party that reflects their extremist beliefs — one already exists. It’s called the “Constitution Party,” it’s ridiculously conservative, it has a spot on the presidential ballot in 41 states, and the party would sooner disband than nominate someone who supports abortion and gay rights. For that matter, a leader of the Constitution Party was present at the Council for National Policy’s gathering. It’s a match made in … somewhere unpleasant.

Dobson’s message today was fairly straightforward: he and his allies don’t care about “electability”; they care about fealty to a far-right agenda. If Giuliani’s the nominee, they’ll walk.

It is, to be sure, a risky endeavor — for everyone.

For Giuliani, it’s a message that undermines his “electability” claims. His basic campaign pitch is that he’ll keep the right together, and peel off some votes in the middle. If the religious right is talking about breaking off, it’s a tougher sell for the former mayor.

For Dobson & Co., though, it’s an even bigger gamble. The religious right has been coasting for over a decade, having convinced the Republican establishment that without theocratic activists, the party has no foot soldiers.

It’s been a bit of shell game that no one in the party wants to push too far. If Dobson and his allies do break ranks, it actually puts their credibility on the line in a way that’s never happened — if Giuliani can win the GOP nomination and (gasp) the presidency without so much as a hint of support from the religious right, no one will take the movement seriously again.

It gets back to a point I raised earlier in the week — these religious right leaders are making bold threats, but they really don’t have any choice. Dobson & Co., not to mention their loyal followers, believe they have enormous influence in Republican circles, and can dictate the party’s direction. If the Republicans nominate a pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-gun control, thrice-married serial adulterer who wants to invest in stem-cell research, the religious right’s masquerade will be over. It will be obvious that the movement is practically powerless in the party, and the groups’ benefactors will have far less reason to keep writing the checks that keeps the movement afloat.

Dobson’s op-ed is provocative, but it’s driven by self-preservation instincts. Dobson, in other words, isn’t bluffing. Whether that matters to the party or not remains to be seen.

Rev. Dobson, Please please start a party for religious nuts. Then maybe the Republican party can return to its normal policies instead of being stark raving insane.

  • Money talks. Despite the potential bucks the fundies have, the “country club” ones have even more, much much much more.

    Real Repubs should demand a separation of church and oligarchy, now!

  • “Then maybe the Republican party can return to its normal policies instead of being stark raving insane.”

    huh? even if the religious nuts left the republican party, the party would still be stark raving insane.

  • Certainly if Hizzoner Rudy Mc9/11 took the Republican nomination with open opposition from from the religious right that would be a major black eye for them. But I think he would have to actually be elected president in the face of a full-on, religious right backed, third party drive for the White House taking a double digit share of the general election vote for Republicans to finally be free of them. I don’t see that happening.

  • Just bill,

    You must be too young to remember that the Republican party used to be fiscally responsible. Always weird on social issues, at least in my life time, but not rabid. There used to be sane Republicans, honestly, mostly Rockefeller Republicans.

  • Dobson is bluffing. He is hoping that the eventual nominee will be someone more to his liking. If that fails, he will meet with Giuliani and then embrace him, declaring that he is now convinced that Rudy shares his values about “the sanctity of human life.”

    There is no way that Dobson will give up his seat at the Republican table, even if he has to eat a little crow to keep it. Without the Republicans, Dobson would be powerless. He couldn’t stand that.

    I wish that nutcases like Dobson valued the “sanctity of human life” when the current occupant of the White House is plotting preemptive wars against nations populated by non-Christians. Apparently human life isn’t sacred to Dobson unless it isn’t born yet.

  • jen, i’m 55 years old, and i have always thought the republicans were bat-shit crazy. but then again, i was just a librul hippy when i was young…. 🙂

  • “the Republican party used to be fiscally responsible”

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA

    oh geez.

    Responsible to WHO? To their corporate overlords, that’s who. To the rest of us, they have always been as irresponsible as they could get away with. They were ALWAYS perfectly willing to grind us into dust and take the blood from our veins to feed their insatiable thirst for profits. Corporate profit is their god, and it always was. That’s why they always opposed things like blacks being able to vote, Social Security, and corporate oversight.

    Fiscally responsible my ass.

  • Jen:

    I’m old enough to remember when Republicans were both fiscally responsible and sane on social issues. Those folks must have all drunk the kool-aid, or died. The worst streak of insanity that infected the Grand OLD Party was rabid anti-Communism.

    Sad to say, I agree with Just Bill. If the Dobsonites left the Republican party, it would be dominated by the neocons, with their zany economics, imperial foreign policy, and police-state ideas about “homeland security.”

  • Ron Paul raised something like $5 million this last quarter. That suggests that a streak of libertarianism remains within the Republican Party.

    While I still think their economic priorities are horribly skewed–as Duhbya showed again with his Heroic Veto yesterday–a Republican Party minus the Christatollah Crowd would be good for the country. We need their healthy skepticism (as opposed to dogmatic negativity) about the reach of government and the competency of its practitioners; we need their green-eyeshade mindset.

    First, drive out the Dobsonites; then declaw the Norquistians; and voila, you’ve got a viable party that’s distinct from the Democrats but at last once again in line with the mainstream of American ideals and traditions.

    A man can dream.

  • With all this as context, it is rather difficult to believe Dobson is truly doing God’s work here on earth. -Kevo

  • Anyone else find the “sanctity of human life” especially repulsive? You know, if you mean abortion, say abortion. These liars claim to hold human life dear even as they cheer on Bush’s Republican Iraqi bloody occupation, and they mostly love the death penalty.
    I agree with Jen & JRS, Jr – good riddance.
    But dajafi – what about the confederate racists portion of the Republicans?

  • This is a good gamble for Dobson et.al. Unless something drastic happens, it is likely that there will be a Democratic administration in 2009. Dobson is betting against a weakened and dispirited Repulican electorate.
    If (when) the Democrats take control of the White House (and the Senate), the Religious Right will step up and claim credit. Most of us in the reality-based community will recognize the real culprits (unpopular war, elitist economic policy, gross incompetence), but there will be enough true believers in the Republican leadership to give the Religious Right’s claim creadence, and allow them to maintain or inhance their influence over the Republican Party

  • If neither of the two major political parties nominates an individual who pledges himself or herself to the sanctity of human life, we will join others in voting for a minor-party candidate.

    Neither party? Is this dipshit trying to make us laugh until we choke? Ooo yes, the Democratic candidates are sooo worried about losing their once faithful Talevangical voting base. [snort.]

    He knows damn well he’s talking about the GOP candidate and only the GOP candidate, but being a huge coward as well as a world class arsehole he has to make his “threat” to both parties.

    So yes, what Jen Flowers said. On behalf of the entire country take I hope Dobbie and the other pigs take their rabid pack of Bible waving bigots and go find some drooling lack-wit who is willing to get slaughtered in the next election. Afterwards they can have the satisfaction of whinging about about how they were persecuted and cast out by Democrats and Republicans. Cue Tori Amos’ “Crucify” and grab another box of nails. Happy days.

  • Dobson:

    The secular news media has been reporting in recent months that the conservative Christian movement is hopelessly fractured and internally antagonistic. The Los Angeles Times reported on Monday, for example, that supporters of traditional family values are rapidly “splintering.” That is not true. The near unanimity in Salt Lake City is evidence of much greater harmony than supposed. Admittedly, differences of opinion exist among us about our choices for president.

    That divergence is entirely reasonable, now just over a year before the national election. It is hardly indicative of a “splintering” of old alliances. If the major political parties decide to abandon conservative principles, the cohesion of pro-family advocates will be all too apparent in 2008.

    Where to begin…

    First off, Dobson is whistling past the graveyard, big time. A significant portion of his flock is more concerned with the death and destruction in Iraq than they are with hating gay people and putting American women back into the reproductive dark ages. They are splintering.

    And “conservative principles”? Like punks starting wars that cost trillions just so they can play Armageddon Airstrike and show their dad how bad ass they are? Or maybe conservative principles like stealing those trillions of dollars from our kids and transferring them to the bank accounts of people like Dick “Go Fuck Yourself” Cheney? Or maybe he means conservative principles like playing World Policeman Who Pisses Off All His Allies And Stirs Up Decades Of Trouble.

    So far, Dobson and his band of moral midgets have held forth that forcing unwilling women to have children is more important than stopping Republicans and their corporate overlords from killing millions of real people. Most of America disagrees. So off he rides on his hobby horse.

    Good riddance. Please take lots of your friends with you, Jesus wants you to form a third party!!!

    PS, if he forms that third party I will send him a nice letter and a check. The right needs to have their own Ralph Nader.

  • A possibility that is not being considered here is that Dobson and crowd are looking at the political landscape and judging that after Bush the Repubs don’t have a chance in 2008. They may be making the calculation that it is better to split now and then when the Repubs go down to defeat, they can say, “See what happens when you piss us off.” Dobson may be calculating that he can then come back in 2012 stronger than ever as a savior to the Repubs. If they stick with a losing Repub candidate in 2008, some Repubs may finally start asking what good is Dobson and his ilk.

  • The only way Dobson can truly affect the national outcome today is if he gathers his entire “flock” (I’d prefer to use the term “herd,” but the cows would take comparison to Dobson as an insult)—and vote Democratic. GOP values are geared only to support the social conservative movement by reactive legislation—dealing with abortion by outlawing it. Democratic values could effectively be geared toward the social-conservative issue of abortion; not by making it illegal, but rather by establishing and funding a national program that offers a real, viable, and functional alternative to abortion.

    The abortion machine is fed, to a great extent, by expectant mothers who are (1) too young to adequately care for a child, (2) not equipped with the prerequisite knowledge necessary to care for a child, and (3) financially incapable of caring for a child. The Bushylvanians don’t want to address these issues because the only workable alternatives amount to “socialism”—and Okie already touched on that issue w/ #10.

    Find a Democratic candidate who will make the development of a national program that offers these expectant mothers some real, working, and fully-funded alternatives to the abortion clinic a front-burner part of their presidency—and you’ve found a Democratic candidate that’ll siphon off a huge chunk of social-conservative votes in ’08.

    Because then you’ll have a Democratic candidate that embraces the “sanctity of human life”—and is willing to put the full power of the National Treasury behind it.

    Indeed—money talks….

  • But dajafi – what about the confederate racists portion of the Republicans?

    Fair question. To some extent this is a problem we can hope diminishes with time (as it has over the past 50 years or so), but I’m also probably conflating the racists with the Dobsonites. Hate blacks, hate gays, hate Jews except for their instrumentality in bringing the Left Behind novels to life… haters are haters.

    I don’t think the Norquist crowd are racists per se. They’d probably prefer not to have “those people” in their clubs, but they also grasp that talent is talent and that discrimination in this economy carries a fairly severe economic price. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s my take.

  • Dear God,

    If you exist, please come and pick up all the trash you left behind. The sooner the better. The stench coming from it is overwhelming.

    Thanks in advance,
    The Loyal Opposition

  • “If neither of the two major political parties nominates an individual who pledges himself or herself to the sanctity of human life” – Dobson

    Who is their guy ??
    Mitt the Mormon or Fred the “I don’t particularly care to have a conversation with him (Dobson).”

    Could Dobson be testing the D ticket, seeing if anyone bites ??

  • Wouldn’t it be lovely if Dobson decided to run third-party candidates for congresssional and senatorial positions as well?

  • This is brilliant imo. There are no decent religious right candidates this year anyway so Dobson needs something to shore up his power. Putting his credibility on the line for something as limited as defeating Giuliani (which is going to happen anyway once Republicans find out where he stands on a host of issues) is a far better strategy than actually backing one of this pathetic bunch.

  • Dobson’s message today was fairly straightforward: he and his allies don’t care about “electability”; they care about fealty to a far-right agenda. If Giuliani’s the nominee, they’ll walk.

    Or…Giuliani will win the GOP nomination and then loudly proclaim that he is pro-life and anti-gay, that his prior statements are “no longer operative” because he’s seen the light. Dobson, et. al., will then say, “we’ve looked Rudi in the eye and saw that he has a good soul. We fully support and endorse him.”

    Whether or not the Dem nominee will ruthlessly use this flip-flop remains to be seen. If they do, the Dems win the whitehouse and we’ll have a chance to course correct from the lsat several years. If they don’t Rudy and totalitarianism wins.


  • Edo: Or…Giuliani will win the GOP nomination and then loudly proclaim that he is pro-life and anti-gay, that his prior statements are “no longer operative” because he’s seen the light. Dobson, et. al., will then say, “we’ve looked Rudi in the eye and saw that he has a good soul. We fully support and endorse him.”

    Ya beat me to it!

  • Casey (#15) and MW (#18): I doubt that Dobson is capable of thinking strategically at that depth, and in that long a time frame. Four years is a long time for a man his age to spend on the outside looking in.

  • There are several groups of Conservatives. One is the “Deist” branch, who have several
    million “not conventionally religious” supporters. They think like Thomas Jefferson, Ben
    Franklin, and George Washington, in terms of religion. Their political opinions are so
    strong that it is almost a political religion. They hate the morphing of the DEMS into a
    true SOCIAL DEMOCRATC PARTY. They hate the “low level invasion of America” by the 20+ million illegals who are being recruited by the SOCIAL DEMOCRATS to be the VANGUARD of the millions of new workers and peasants, for their revolution. The DEIST PATRIOTS are so angry that they may use the tens of millions of firearms they possess, to counter the final take over by the Mexo-Socialists. This is the greatest problem of all, but it will take 4 to 8 years of “HILLARY RULE” before the situation spins out of control. This is 1907 and the 1917 upheaval is coming for America…by 2017 or sooner!

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