Religious right leader reiterates threat to GOP

Several reports have made clear in recent weeks that prominent religious right leaders are threatening to break with the GOP if Rudy Giuliani wins the party’s presidential nomination. As part of my ongoing fascination with the subject, the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins addressed the subject today during a conference call with reporters. His comments are worth considering in detail.

Perkins began by arguing that, for social conservatives, “there’s little distinction between” Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani. While conceding that the two are “not identical,” Perkins added, “If they’re indistinguishable on so many issues that are vital to these voters, it’s hard to see why you should vote for one instead of the other.”

Asked about the recent Council for National Policy meeting in Utah, which he attended, Perkins said:

“I was at that meeting it’s been misconstrued a little bit. It was not a declaration of intent, it was a declaration of principle that there is a line we will not cross. If the party chooses to break its commitment to creating a culture of life, we’re not going to go in that direction with the party.

“There’s only one candidate who has this issue, and that’s Mayor Giuliani. It would be very problematic for the party to nominate a candidate who broke with 30 years of Republican Party history.

“There’s no desire to create a third party, no action underway, simply the statement that if the party breaks with social conservatives, then social conservatives will break with thee party. It’s an if-then scenario.”

Ed Morrissey believes Perkins’ remarks suggest he may have “reconsidered the statement from ten days ago,” when Perkins and his allies vowed to support a third-party candidate if Giuliani gets the party’s nod.

I have an entirely different read on this. Perkins seems to be taking a this-is-a-promise-not-a-threat approach. In fact, far from a reconsideration, Perkins seems to be taking an ever harder line than Dobson — “[I]f the party breaks with social conservatives, then social conservatives will break with thee party.” There isn’t a lot of wiggle-room there.

What’s more, as Greg Sargent noted, “In 2004, President Bush won 78% of the white evangelical vote, or about 18% of the total electorate. If Rudy lost half of that, it would be nine points down the drain.”

As long as we’re on the subject, I wanted to also respond to a compelling point Kevin Drum raised yesterday. Responding to my argument that Dobson, Perkins, & Co. really will bolt if Giuliani is the nominee, Kevin said concern for the federal judiciary might pull the religious right back into the fold.

Dobson might be pissed, but what he really cares about is judicial appointments, and he knows that even Giuliani will appoint judges that he likes. Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, by contrast, certainly won’t. So in the end, even if Rudy gets the GOP nomination, he’ll swallow hard and endorse him.

Maybe, but it’s worth noting that Dobson has considered this point, and is threatening to leave anyway. On Monday’s Hannity & Colmes, Hannity mentioned that Giuliani has pledged to appoint judges like Thomas, Alito, Scalia, and Roberts.

HANNITY: We know if Hillary is elected that she would appoint people like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and we know she supports partial-birth abortion. In that sense, if that Rasmussen poll is right, the result will be far worse for the cause that I know you passionately and deeply believe in.

DOBSON: It will be terrible, Sean. That’s absolutely true. But you’re taking Rudy’s word on his intention to appoint strict constructionists to the Supreme Court, and I would like to remind you that he has a terrible record in New York of appointing judges. He appointed some of the worst possible judges.

Dobson has no doubt read this Ben Smith piece from March.

A Politico review of the 75 judges Giuliani appointed to three of New York state’s lower courts found that Democrats outnumbered Republicans by more than 8 to 1. One of his appointments was an officer of the International Association of Lesbian and Gay Judges. Another ruled that the state law banning liquor sales on Sundays was unconstitutional because it was insufficiently secular.

A third, an abortion-rights supporter, later made it to the federal bench in part because New York Sen. Charles E. Schumer, a liberal Democrat, said he liked her ideology.

Cumulatively, Giuilani’s record was enough to win applause from people like Kelli Conlin, the head of NARAL Pro-Choice New York, the state’s leading abortion-rights group. “They were decent, moderate people,” she said.

With this in mind, I don’t think judges alone will keep the religious right on board.

Exxxxxcelent.

Go Rudy!

  • To reiterate my earlier comment — withdrawing the support of the religious right from the plutocrats who control the GOP & costing them the election would be the most effective way for the fundies to show how crucial their support is.

  • Why is this worth noting when you know Guiliani is such a joke and doesn’t have a chance in Baghdad of being president. btw…I thought people quit using the term ‘partial birth abortion’ as there is no such thing. That is known as a miscarriage..

  • Religious right leader gives tugs on GOP’s hand and says “Pay attention to me!” Religious right leader stomps his feet and sulks.
    Religious right leader holds breath until he turns blue…

    Pathetic. I don’t think the GOP will survive as a viable party if it decides to kiss up to these cretins again.

  • I think Rudy just got a lot of support from the left.

    🙂

    On another note, this makes no sense at all (from Perkins):

    If the party chooses to break its commitment to creating a culture of life, we’re not going to go in that direction with the party.

    Um … they didn’t seem to bolt when Bush decided to invade a country which, in turn, has led to tens of thousands of deaths.

    Or do they only care about the lives of white christians?

  • The fundies still haven’t tumbled to the fact that the Republicans have done little more than pay lip service to their issues all along. For years the Republicans have been getting the rank and file to vote against their own economic interest with pandering catch phrases and a few bucks shoveled to Christian charities. Until 2006 there was nothing to stop the Republicans from introducing any number of far-fetched bills to “protect” marriage or ban abortion on demand, instead they kept telling the Dobsons and Perkins of this world that the check was in the mail.

    In the end, the fundies may find that the core principles of today’s Republican party are indeed; “Never give a sucker an even break and never smarten up a chump.”

  • This is the point I was making somewhere else the other day. Dobson et al has no reason to believe that President Rudy, with a DEMOCRATIC Congressional majority, will appoint anti-abortion, anti-gay judges. President Rudy has every incentive to “cave” and submit pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-CORPORATE judges that the Dems would then rubber stamp. The RR sees this, and sees that this would be WORSE FOR THEM then President Clinton submitting pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-corporate judges for the Dems to rubber stamp. Because at least with Clinton they have someone to fundraise and demogogue against. Rudy is one of “theirs” and his election would not only show the world how impotent the Religious Right leaders truly are, and how unnecessary it is to tack rightward on abortion and gay issues, but also eliminates their ability to scare their followers into ponying up cash to run an opponent to Rudy.

    No, I don’t think they’re bluffing. I think they want the country to know that if they’re voting for Rudy because he looks the most “electable” that they should stop and think again.

    What interests me is what happens if they knock Rudy out and one of the others in the gaggle (Romney, Huckabee, Brownback) get the nomination instead. If they support him and he still loses, do they lose their influence? Will the rest of the GOP think “if only we’d run Rudy we woulda won”? It seems the the best-case scenario for retaining power is a Rudy nomination followed by a Clinton election, since I really don’t think ANY of the GOP gaggle are going to win next year.

  • “then social conservatives will break with thee party. It’s an if-then scenario.”

    Did Perkins really typo “thee” for “the”?. Pretty funny either way.

    I’d love to be able to put a “It’s PRESIDENT Hillary to you, Limbaugh..” on my car. Maybe I will anyway.

  • What? Dobson hasn’t gotten a single SC justice that he wanted.

    Roberts– a corporate whore who will do what Big Business wants, not at all committed to Dobson’s anti-sex crusade.

    Scalito– yet another crony capitalist, yeah he’s Catholic, but he’s not a bible-thumper.

    Bush has been stuffing the lower courts with so many wingnut nominees, that maybe Dobson is happy. But I don’t think they’ve gotten the theocracy they’ve wanted, and they’re pissed at Bush and Rove about that, and clearly they trust Ghouliani and Romney and McCain even less.

  • “Several reports have made clear in recent weeks that prominent religious right leaders are threatening to break with the GOP if Rudy Giuliani wins the party’s presidential nomination.”

    Oh, Jesus Mary and Joseph, just LEAVE already!

    A Middle East quaqmire, global warming, and the economy are more important to Americans right now than abortion and gay marriage. Including among Republicans. So any chance you have of getting Huckabee as your front runner is going from “slim” to “sheeah, right”.

    Stop being a bunch of teases. Either shit or get off the pot.

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