Avoiding an honest debate on S-CHIP

With Congress poised to vote tomorrow on an effort to override the president’s veto on healthcare for low-income children, the president used part of his White House press conference today to explain why he rejected the bipartisan measure.

“Six or seven — in six or seven states they spend more money on adults than children. And finally, the eligibility has been increased up to $83,000. That doesn’t sound like it’s a program for poor children to me. And I look forward to working with the Congress if my veto is upheld to focus on those who are supposed to be covered. That’s what we need to get done. […]

“Some states are spending more money on adults than children. That doesn’t make any sense if you’re trying to help poor children…. And finally, to increase eligibility up to $83,000, in my judgment, is an attempt by some in Congress to expand the reach of the federal government in medicine.”

When right-wing voices started smearing the Frost family a couple of weeks ago, Malkin decried what she saw as the left’s reluctance to have “a good-faith argument” about S-CHIP. It was ironic, of course, considering the source, but putting that aside, Bush’s comments this morning were a reminder of why good-faith arguments are difficult in today’s political climate — the president is simply willing to lie.

It’s tempting to think that maybe Bush is just confused. Maybe he’s addressing the State Children’s Health Insurance Program without really knowing what it is, or why he doesn’t like it. Given the president’s limited intellectual prowess, this seems like a distinct possibility.

But we’ve been at this one for a while. The S-CHIP debate has been front-and-center for weeks, if not months. Bush has to know what’s he’s saying is false.

Today’s argument focused on two specific claims: 1) the bill he vetoed increases S-CHIP eligibility up to $83,000; and 2) states are misusing S-CHIP to insure adults.

On the first point, Bush has repeated this bogus claim repeatedly, but repetition hasn’t made it true.

On the second, Bush has the entire dynamic backwards. In some states, S-CHIP has been used to insure adults, but only because the Bush administration gave those states waiver to do so. If the president doesn’t believe this makes any sense, he shouldn’t have embraced a policy he disagrees with. For that matter, the S-CHIP bill Bush vetoed addresses this and makes it harder for adults to get coverage under the program.

The NYT devoted an entire editorial to this bogus talking point last week, calling it a “distortion and a diversion.”

In his radio address on Saturday, Mr. Bush complained that six states — Minnesota, Illinois, New Jersey, Michigan, Rhode Island and New Mexico — “will spend more S-chip money on adults than they do on children” in this fiscal year. That might sound outrageous at first hearing, but there are often good child-centered reasons for covering certain categories of adults.

Surely it is sensible to enroll pregnant women, to make sure the prospective mother and her fetus get good prenatal care even before the child is born and becomes eligible. And in some cases it may even be reasonable to offer coverage to low-income parents, if only as bait to get their children enrolled. New Jersey hardly deserves presidential criticism for what look like enlightened policies.

The state currently enrolls some 83,000 adults and 124,000 children in its S-chip program. The adults account for more than 60 percent of the program’s costs because it is a lot more expensive to cover adults than children. A small number of the adults are pregnant women. A small number are childless adults supported solely by state funds, under a program that is being phased out. The overwhelming majority are poor parents, with family incomes no higher than 133 percent of poverty — or $27,500 for a family of four.

To imply that this is an abuse of the S-chip program reflects an ideological determination to disparage public insurance no matter how much it helps poor families and their children.

Mr. Bush failed to acknowledge that all of the states that extended coverage to adults did so under waivers granted by the federal government, mostly by his own administration. In its first term, his administration actively encouraged states to use any unspent S-chip funds to cover adults.

That was back when Mr. Bush was espousing “compassionate conservatism” and the administration was looking for efficient ways to reduce the number of uninsured Americans. Now Mr. Bush calls any expansion of S-chip a step toward “government-run health care for every American.”

That Bush can’t defend his policy position without lying says a great deal about the merit of his ideas. Hopefully, lawmakers who are on the fence about the veto override are paying attention.

Does he have a policy position? Other than “government should be a tool for rich people – the poor and those of modest means can just find a quiet corner to die in, because we’re not lowering the ladder to help you?” Because every time the man opens his mouth, something like that falls out of it.

Really, he treats the ordinary people as though their utility is in making the rich richer. We’re just cogs in the great wealth machine – not recipients of it – and when we grow tired, or sick or have our homes flooded or ripped to shreds by tornadoes, when our jobs go overseas, when we can’t spend money at the mall – we are of no use, and therefore it is a waste of the government’s money to help. I feel sometimes like we aren’t real to him – we’re more like exhibits in some great human zoo.

This man is so disconnected from reality it’s sick.

  • Gosh Steve, the man isn’t lying, he’s “catapulting the propaganda” with an effing trebouchet!

    I sincerelly hope there is a special corner of hell for people like him and his followers.

  • He acts like he wants a discussion of the issue but he tells congress what it should do and then tells reporters and others to shut up or ignores them when they challenge his position.

    How much of the public is aware that Bush is lying about his statistics and that he “knows” he is lying about it and does so anyway.

    To suggest Bush is disconnected from reality ignores the truth. He knows the reality facing the poor but basically chooses to lie about it and make sure it is not ‘his’ reality and that the poor should just accept that he should not be expected to care. After all it’s their own fault.
    One day we will have single payer national health care for all Americans and I can only hope it’s over his dead body…as he so stubbornly insists.
    If his veto is upheld it won’t be because of the majority but only because of not getting a two thirds majority in the House.

  • Really it would be nice if the MSM would point out every time the adult issue (or the 83000 issue for that matter) is raised that those are subject to waivers many given by the very administration that now assails them!

    I wont hold my breath. . .

  • Right or wrong there is a tendency for government programs to coverage-creep. Look at how many categories of people are receiving Social Security for reasons way different from retirement. Waivers become the norm. Hopefully this bill covers that and all of the money will go to the needy not just to the wanty.

  • I’m glad to see you point out the objective is to never have an honest policy debate. As Clinton said, “They win when we have an argument. We win if we have a conversation.”

    Republican politics is all about exploiting emotions to get people to vote for policies clearly at odds with their personal interests. If everyone knew what we were doing, they’d vote for us. So we can never, ever discuss what’s really going on.

    They want to get rid of Social Security. But they say they want to save it. So, we discuss who has the best option to save SS — which is almost always the Republicans plan to bankrupt it and whither it on the vine.

    We never had a debate on the wisdom of invading Iraq. We’ll never have a debate on the wisdom of attack Iran. We’ll never have a debate about how our government can achieve what it wants to achieve regarding surveillance, without allowing present and future Nixons to devote those resources to partisan enemies.

  • Bush has to know what’s he’s saying is false.

    Since when has this stopped him?

    The new Republicans know that if they tell the truth, they will NOT get elected. Picture a congressman running for reelection getting up in front of a middle-class family and saying: “If elected, I promise to cut taxes for the rich. We know it won’t help any of you (unless you’re a Mercedes-Benz or Lexus mechanic), but my freinds don’s think they have enouth money. I promise to ignore pollution to help corporations make more money to help stockholders. I know none of you have enough stocks to make a really major difference — this will only help the ones with a couple-hundred-thousand or more in stocks — but it will help companies move jobs overseas. I promise to preach loudly against abortion, but will cut funding for family planning, sex-education and contraception. etc.”

    Seriously – if these idiots told the truth, they would be luck to poll 24% nationally. Oh. Wait. Bush is polling 24% even with the lying.

  • If you want to see someone anxious for honest debate, catch Marsha Blackburns poll on S-CHIP here: http://blackburn.house.gov/ I swear this was the actual question, and these were the actual choices:

    Do you support raising taxes to expand the SCHP program that would provide health care to disadvantage children, while allowing illegal immigrants easier access to free, taxpayer-funded health care?

    No — I already pay too much in taxes and don’t want to fund illegal immigrant health care 4.86 % (69)

    Yes — I believe in further expanding the welfare state and creating an additional entitlement program. 92.82 % (1319)

    Yes — But, we need reauthorize the program as it was originally intended with minimal additional taxes. 2.32 % (33)

    The results of the poll must be making her head explode.

  • Bush is an immoral — not a-moral, but *immoral* — SOB. Lying, about any subject, including children’s healthcare issues is but a minor one of his sins.

  • catch Marsha Blackburns poll on S-CHIP

    That was the funniest thing I’ve seen all day. I love that wording. Why didn’t she just make it “Do you support raising taxes to expand the SCHP program that would provide health care to disadvantage children, while allowing illegal immigrants easier access to free, taxpayer-funded health care AND SACRIFICING CUTE INNOCENT PUPPIES TO SATAN?!? Well, DO YOU YOU SICK FREAK???”

  • Actually, looking at Blackburn’s site a bit more, she has old polls up there on the website. And the questions and options are sanely worded. Even the immigration question is a fairly neutral wording. This is the only question up there that moves into “insane weirdo trying to load the question to justify her actions” land.

    I wonder if Rep. Blackburn is feeling a bit guilty about voting against health care for children and is looking for some reassurance that she’s not a complete monster or something.

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