McCain concerned about Giuliani and torture (but not Mukasey)

This week, Rudy Giuliani played the crazy-person card in response to a question at an event in Iowa about torture. Asked if he thought waterboarding constituted torture, Giuliani said, “It depends on how it’s done,” adding that he was skeptical about the practice based on descriptions from the “liberal media.” Giuliani went on to say, “It depends on the circumstances. It depends on who does it.”

John McCain followed up on Giuliani’s comments with some incredulity yesterday.

“Anyone who knows what waterboarding is could not be unsure. It is a horrible torture technique used by Pol Pot and being used on Buddhist monks as we speak,” said McCain after a campaign stop at Dordt College here.

“People who have worn the uniform and had the experience know that this is a terrible and odious practice and should never be condoned in the U.S. We are a better nation than that.”

McCain added, “All I can say is that it was used in the Spanish Inquisition, it was used in Pol Pot’s genocide in Cambodia, and there are reports that it is being used against Buddhist monks today.” As for his GOP rivals, McCain said, “They should know what it is. It is not a complicated procedure. It is torture.”

In light of McCain’s response, Faiz raised a good point. By taking a firm stand against waterboarding, McCain is not only one up on Giuliani, he’s also one up on Attorney General nominee Michael Mukasey, who refused to say whether he thought the barbaric tactic qualified as torture.

If McCain thinks Giuliani “should know what it is,” does McCain think the Attorney General should know, too? Apparently not.

The Huffington Post asked the McCain campaign whether the senator will join Senate Dems in possibly holding up Mukasey’s confirmation until he clears up his stance on waterboarding. A McCain aide responded, “The Judiciary Committee process is ongoing and Sen. McCain believes that Judge Mukasey deserves an up-or-down vote based on his qualifications for the office of Attorney General.”

Not exactly straight talk, now is it?

As for Giuliani’s lunacy, Joe Conason hammers the former mayor quite nicely today.

Such lazy-minded cliches — “it depends on the circumstances” — are emblematic of the moral relativism that swaggering absolutists like Giuliani claim to despise in liberalism. […]

If tough Rudy does go waterboarding, however, he should have no illusions about its status under American law and tradition. As a former federal prosecutor, he should know that the United States has indicted, convicted and punished a substantial number of torturers whose offenses included waterboarding or, as it used to be known, “the water cure.” […]

When he argues that it is an act whose significance depends on who does it and under what circumstances, does he mean to suggest that the Japanese war criminals were wrong, but the CIA is right? Does he think that laws and treaties apply only to foreigners and not to Americans? Or that the president can abrogate those laws and treaties at will? That is a formula for tyranny — and it was rejected by Republicans and Democrats alike, all much better men than he.

Well said.

So is McVain one up on Hillary too?

  • Kabuki theatre all the way, don’t you think? It’s clear that these guys don’t care about anything but getting elected – and they are willing to take limp shots at each other, but not address the – sorry about this – elephant in the room, which is the underlying wrongness of pretty much everything this administration is doing. McCain is probably looking ahead to what he envisions will be the glory days of Bush with rising approval numbers and thus opportunities for the two of them to man-hug all over the country.

    They’re all delusional to some degree, and they are being assisted in their delusions by a media that is desperately in need of serious medication to return them to the Land of Reality.

    Speaking of medication…it’s definitely time to head home for a much-needed drink.

  • It’s disappointing that he’s not willing to make it a deal-breaker on Mukasey, but speaking out against torture seems to be the only principle McCain has left (even if hedges against directly condemning his allies) . I’ll give him partial credit for his partial pushback.

    Of course, there are dozens of points against McCain, but this seems like it’s fairly important stand on the slippery slope of the bushista morality.

  • Minimizing the horror of torture when it should be loudly condemned and routed out shows the sociopathic credentials of these presidential wannabes. Anyone who gives pause to consider its rationality for even a second can not be trusted with the responsibility of governing. Of course it’s torture worse than having your fingernails ripped off. There’s no debate. Only scum or trash would have given the response Guiliani gave. He as much as admitted he would do anything in secret.

  • I agree with short fuse, partial credit to the old fart for his stand on waterboarding..even if it does appear to be mostly lip service on his part.

    I got to use this post in a go-around with a pro-war, pro-torture freak today on Bring It On!..thank you for posting it.

  • If RampStrike wants to cry for an up-or-down vote, then let the question be this: Is the refusal to condemn waterboarding and other forms of torture enough to sink the Mukasey AG nomination?

    Or am I being obtuse?

  • Don’t’cha just hate it when guys like O’Reilly and Giuliani substantiate all those awful old ethnic jokes by proving the limited base they were drawn from actually exists, at least in limited examples???

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