Giuliani is many things, but ‘moderate’ isn’t one of them

On the one hand, it seems like the obvious way to derail Rudy Giuliani’s campaign for the Republican presidential nomination is to point out how far out of the GOP mainstream he is on key domestic issues. There are five main areas of disagreement: abortion rights, gay rights, gun control, immigration, and personal mores. Given Giuliani’s record on all of them, it seems safe to label him a “moderate,” at least by contemporary Republican standards.

But on the other hand, these five issues to do not a description make. David Greenberg had a terrific piece over the weekend explaining that Giuliani is many things, but moderate isn’t one of them.

You wouldn’t know it from reading the papers, but the favorite to win the Republican presidential nomination is a confirmed right-winger. On issues such as free speech and religion, secrecy and due process, civil rights and civil liberties, pornography and democracy, this moralist and self-styled lawman has exhibited all the key hallmarks of Bush-era conservatism.

That candidate is Rudolph W. Giuliani.

As any New Yorker can tell you, the last word anyone in the 1990s would have attached to the brash, furniture- breaking mayor was “liberal” — and the second-to-last was “moderate.” With his take-many-prisoners approach to crime and his unerring pro-police instincts, the prosecutor-turned-proconsul made his mark on the city not by embracing its social liberalism but by trying to crush it.

This isn’t a case in which Giuliani is reasonable on domestic policy, but is hard-right when it comes to a neocon, warmongering worldview. The reality is, he’s offensive in both areas. Indeed, Greenberg highlighted the former mayor’s social positions that are frequently overlooked — and which are anything but progressive.

Consider the first of our freedoms: free speech. One emblematic act of Giuliani’s mayorship was his 1999 attempt to censor an art exhibit because it featured a painting of the Virgin Mary that used an unusual form of mixed media — clumps of elephant dung, to be precise. (Others were also upset by the cutouts of female genitalia.) Giuliani, a Catholic who attended parochial schools and once aspired to the priesthood, understandably took offense. But he then converted his religious sensibilities into policy, unilaterally withholding a $7 million city subsidy to the Brooklyn Museum of Art. When that failed to get the painting removed, he tried to evict the museum from its century-old home. Ultimately, after losing in court, he was forbidden to retaliate against the museum. So much for moderation.

Those who deem Rudy a liberal might also recall his plan to fund parochial schools with city money. His goal went far beyond letting Bible groups meet after hours in public classrooms: The mayor personally phoned Cardinal John O’Connor to hatch a plan that would have placed public school students in church-run schools with overtly Christian curricula — including catechism and excluding sex education. It was the real liberals on the school board who stopped the plan.

Beyond religious issues, a second conservative trait defined Giuliani’s tenure: his Cheney-esque appetite for executive power. In 1999, for example, he directed (without the City Council’s permission) the police to permanently confiscate the cars of people charged with drunken driving — even if the suspects were later acquitted.

Giuliani’s record on government secrecy, too, is hardly moderate. Liberals today routinely attack President Bush’s refusal to divulge information about his domestic wiretapping program and his 2001 executive order claiming the power to close presidential papers. But they rarely discuss an equally autocratic move that Giuliani made: cutting a deal with the city as he was leaving office to assign control of his mayoral records to his own private company so that he could decide who could see them.

The fanciful notion of Giuliani’s liberalism also omits the piece de resistance of his mayorship: his flagrantly undemocratic bid to stay in office for an extra three months after Sept. 11, 2001. During earlier crises, even World War II, U.S. elections had always managed to proceed normally. But Giuliani maneuvered for weeks to remain mayor after his term-limited exit date. Only as normalcy returned to New York did his power grab fail.

And that’s just domestic policy. On foreign policy, Giuliani seems to be downright looking forward to starting several additional wars.

As for the issues Giuliani is “good” on, he’s quickly becoming an opponent of abortion rights; he’s talking up his possible support for an anti-gay constitutional amendment; he’s told the NRA that 9/11 changed his views on gun control; and he’s denounced Bush’s immigration policy.

There’s simply nothing “moderate” about this guy.

As Greenberg concluded, “When Bush ran for president, his slippery slogan of ‘compassionate conservatism’ convinced many Washington journalists that he was a moderate. When he then pushed a right-wing agenda, they were stunned. They hadn’t looked hard enough at his record. Likewise, if Giuliani becomes president, he will probably emerge as an unabashed social conservative — as seen in his judicial appointments, his efforts to aid religious schools, the free hand he gives the government in fighting crime and terrorism, and an all-around authoritarian style. Let’s not get fooled again.”

I read that article yesterday and was impressed to be reading it in the Post – actually was just surprised to see it at all, in such detail, given what seems to be the media’s aversion these days to poking at the conventional wisdom for fear that it might make them have to do some real work. I would like to think it could be the beginning of a trend, but we’ll see.

  • I’ve wondered why the Democrats don’t refer to him as something like “Disgraced Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani” or “Extremist Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani” in press releases they release. It’ll cost nothing, perhaps become associated with him almost as much as 9/11, and maybe, if we’re lucky, create a news cycle or two that’ll invoke a little more prodding into his record. Words may not be everything, but they do matter.

  • Giuliani’s politics don’t fit the usual liberal-moderate-conservative categories because (1) those categories are practically meaningless anymore and (2) Giuliani’s approach has been more that of a corrupt Roman emperor or modern-day crime boss than “politician” as most of us understand the term, give-and-take under an established system of rules.

    There is no way the one-dimensional ordinal scale suggested by right-left or conservative-moderate-liberal can be stretched to cover the many dimensions of modern life – national defense, budget and fiscal policy, civil rights, personal freedom, family-work priorities, immigration policy, etc. There are just too many reasonable cross-division combinations for one label.

    Rudy reminds me of people I’ve been reading a lot about lately, 12th and 13th century Umbrians. There was constant inter-city war, and when that wasn’t available they turned to inter-family war within the city. Popes, emperors, and rival city bosses were constantly attacking each other. There was no notion of “truths we hold self evident” or “established truth” or “elemental fairness”. It was go for broke with, as always, history being written by the winners. Temporarily. Without relying on “national character” explanations, Rudy’s from that background. There are no labels broad enough to apply. He’s just Rudy, and being Rudy’s bad enough.

  • Maybe it’s because Guiliani is such a joke and hasn’t been called on his ridiculous history and you feel honored bound that we see what he really is but there is not a day that goes by it seems that you don’t have a Guiliani post. I’m sick of hearing about him and I don’t understand how anyone can take this guy seriously. Are the republicans so desperate that they would actually ignore the absurdity of this Guiliani character. Let ’em waste their money and put him up for their nominee,,,the guy is pathetic and doesn’t even deserve mention yet everyday you have a post about the Ghoul.

    How can it be that we are even supposed to pretend this guy is credible as a candidate. A wannabe drag queen masking a bitter authoritarian ego maniac. Just pathetic. Do to him what you do to Kucinich…pretend he doesn’t exist. Seems you almost have to be a silly buffoon to get attention as a political candidate…thus Guiliani everyday all day.

  • It would be nice if this undeniable reality–which, yes, all of us who had to endure this crooked and twisted clown in NYC have been trying to tell the country about–in addition to clarifying that Giuliani is farther from “moderate” than any of the other “top-tier” Republicans, clued people into the fact that there’s a lot more to political ideology than sex-related questions.

    For all that the Christianist Right complains that the mainstream media doesn’t communicate their views and values, it’s striking the extent to which it accepts their premises (sex-based issues are much more important than economic or foreign policy views) and values (not loudly hating gays and single women who have sex = “moderate”).

  • #4 Bjobotts,

    A couple of things:

    1. “Giuliani” is in the title of the piece, feel free to not read it if he bothers you so much.

    2. This site does not invent what people are talking about, but it does discuss it. That Giuliani is on the front page of nearly every paper every day makes him a likely topic of discussion.

  • bjobotts# 4 – I’ll echo what nancy #6 said, and make another point:

    Giuliani is getting very favorable coverage from the press, media and pundits as far as I can tell, and that could spell disaster in the election. Just as they somehow decided that a totally unfit extremist like Bush should become president over dull and boring Al Gore, they could swing this election toward this megalomaniac. The national polls show Giuliani doing very well, and that makes absolutely no sense. He is as unsuited for the job as George Bush, and that’s saying something. So the truth about Giuliani is not, as yet, getting out to the typical uninformed American.

    So it may be up to the blogosphere to avert this possible national tragedy. Remember, too, the establishment gains when there is a close race. Ratings go way up, money pours in the coffers. The last thing they want is a Democratic landslide in 2008. They thrive on controversy and excitement.

    So blast away, Carpetbagger.

  • Rudy’s history is much darker than is generally known..
    “There is much more than just, “eliminating congestion” going on
    here. The Mayor has already developed a policy of virtually
    banning protest unique in New York City history. Under Giuliani,
    any demonstration no matter how peaceful or mainstream in it’s
    goals can expect to be confronted by an overwhelming police
    presence and forcibly removed to a distant location under threat of
    arrest. Protest signs are being confiscated by the N.Y.P.D..
    Holding a single cardboard sign (especially if it’s a painting of the
    Mayor) in front of City Hall now leads to being surrounded by
    N.Y.P.D. Intelligence and told that you will be arrested. These
    officers have told me that, “Political expression is not allowed in
    front of City Hall”. The massive effort made to prevent cab drivers
    from holding a rally in City Hall Park and the likelihood of mass
    arrests at the City Hall Vendor Protest this coming Wednesday
    may be the shape of things to come in the “new” New York.” http://tinyurl.com/yq7d8z

  • . and, from the last millennia, there is this little blast from Rudy’z past, courtesy of http://www.cssny.org/pubs/urbanagenda/1998_12_31.html

    “A recent example of Giuliani’s overkill is his response to an AIDS demonstration a few weeks ago. First, it took a federal court order before the city would grant a permit for several hundred demonstrators to march. Then the marchers were not allow to congregate on City Hall steps. Instead, the police forced them into spaces between concrete barricades, videotaped the proceedings, and positioned snipers armed with rifles on the roof of City Hall looking down on them. This is the sort of reaction we would expect of a third world dictator.”

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