Dennis Kucinich … and Ron Paul?

Dennis Kucinich is generally not taken seriously as a credible presidential candidate, and is generally invited to participate in presidential debates because organizers can’t think of a rationale to block a sitting member of Congress. A lot of observers are under the impression that Kucinich is running just to run — a presidential campaign, even a quixotic one, offers people a fairly high-profile platform to talk about issues they find important.

But if Kucinich wants to shed his gadfly reputation, he should probably avoid pronouncements like this one.

Call it the liberal-libertarian ticket, where left meets right and Democrat Dennis Kucinich picks Republican Ron Paul to be his vice president.

Kucinich, the Cleveland congressman running in a longshot bid to become president, suggested it himself Sunday.

“I’m thinking about Ron Paul” as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together “to balance the energies in this country,” Kucinich said.

I suppose I know what Kucinich means, but serious presidential hopefuls generally don’t consider running mates with whom they disagree on almost everything, including fundamental beliefs about the size, scope, and power of the government.

And as it turns out, Ron Paul wouldn’t even consider it.

“Dr. Paul and Rep. Kucinich are friends and there is a lot of mutual respect,” Paul communications director Jesse Benton said in an e-mail when asked whether a running-mate spot on the Kucinich ticket would be attractive to Paul. “They have worked, and will continue to work, together on ending the war and protecting civil liberties.

“However, Ron wants to substantially cut the size and scope of the federal government. There are too many differences on issues such as taxes and spending to think a joint ticket would be possible.”

Granted, Paul and Kucinich appear to largely agree on national security matters, including the war in Iraq and the Patriot Act. But then, there’s everything else.

Presidential candidates, when considering running mates, are supposed to eye those who agree with them on the future. Ideally, the two would be partners, aiming for the same goals.

Kucinich wants a bigger government; Paul wants a smaller one. Kucinich wants the feds to play a much larger role in everything from healthcare to education to retirement security; Paul wants to the feds to play no role in these issues whatsoever, and privatize as much as humanly possible. Kucinich is pro-choice, Paul is pro-life. Sounds like a match made in … somewhere unpleasant.

Sure, they’re both on the outside looking in when it comes to their respective parties, but that’s not exactly a recipe for a coherent presidential ticket — Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are opposites.

That Kucinich claims to be a liberal champion while considering a running mate who would eliminate most of the government is not exactly a good sign.

Kucinich just wanted to remind voters that they shouldn’t take him seriously.

  • I always roll my eyes when people wax ecstatic about how great Kucinich is. He says lots of true stuff, but he’s not Presidential material. He’s just not. (I could get up on a soapbox and say some true stuff, but it wouldn’t make me qualified to be President.)

    Considering Ron Paul as a running mate shows that Kucinich isn’t a viable candidate. Hopefully it may quiet his fan club a little.

  • Yes, according to CB, serious candidates voted for the Patriot Act(s) and the unconstitutional, “undeclared” wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Ain’t 1984 grand?

    I can’t wait to see how the “serious” candidates in the persons of Clinton, Obama, Dodd, and Biden vote on Senate Bill 1959, the “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007.”

    Judging from their previous votes (such as their votes on the Patriot Acts, the Defense Authorization Act of 2007, and Kyl-Lieberman), I’ll predict that Clinton, Dodd, and Biden vote in favor of S 1959 and Obama ducks out on the vote.

    The American Revolution is being outlawed and it’s politics as usual at the Carpetbagger Report where a “tremendous candidate” like Hillary Clinton voted for the Patriot Acts, the REAL ID Act (microchipped national ID card taking effect in 2009), the Defense Authorization Act of 2007 (granting Bush dictator powers to declare martial law as he sees fit and expropriate the National Guard as a police force without the consent of the governors of the respective states), AUMF in Iraq and Kyl-Lieberman.

  • Don’t dismiss it so quickly, Ron! Think about it, we could turn the Oval Office into a television studio and film a new ‘Odd Couple.’

    Today, Dennis and Ron argue about abolishing the school system and a UFO visits (Robbin Williams reprising Mork, of course).

    Hilarity ensues.

  • “balance the energies”?

    “This is NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams. In the news today, President Kucinch named his first cabinet secretary, Lilith Lotusflower, to a newly created position the Secretary of Feng Shui. . .”

    See? Ron Paul isn’t really needed. We just need to put a cupola in the White House to let the bad chi out.

    (Does anyone really still wonder why Kucinich doesn’t get the same respect as the other candidates?)

  • Hugo Chavez quipped about a sulfur smell at the (post-Bush) UN & almost everyone in the world laughed at his joke, except for the US press.
    Honestly, this sounds like a joke, a toss-off line, because of all the facts mentioned in this article.
    It’s just that Ron Paul has some good ideas, so the Democrat haters (who see some reality about the current state of Republicans) are drawn to him, and everything about him is taken seriously.

  • Once again I’m appalled at “liberals” who squander their intellect and energy in the sort of Quxiotic prattle which Kucinich seems to revel in. His heart may be in the right place (as was Gene McCarthy’s and the pre-LBJ Hubert Humphrey’s and Adlai Stevenson’s), but when the primaries and conventions are over the show-down voting public will never support someone who is so obviously much smarter and articulate than themselves. Toss in third party candidates (Nader, Bloomberg) and it gets even worse.

    We need someone who espouses the values of most Americans while not frightening them, someone who opposes handing us all over to the corporations and whom the corporation most fear, someone like FDR, Truman, both Kennedys, even Ike. Isn’t it obvious who we need?

  • Ron Paul is a “top tier” candiate and Kucinich is not. I don’t have anything against Kucinich but the idea of Ron Paul being his VP is just absurd.

    If you have any doubt that Ron Paul is a top 3 candidate for the Republican nomination I suggest you visit http://www.thecaseforronpaul.com and examine the evidence.

  • Ed, having followed your posts here for a long time, I am confident this is not what you meant, but given that you list FDR (who had a cousin that was also President), “both Kennedys” – plural even in your list and part of a dynastic family led by a self-serving wanna-be kingmaker patriarch whose desire was to be the ultimate insider, it seems like the answer to your concluding question may well be Hillary Clinton. 🙂

  • May I just say that I would vote for Mrs. Kucinich to be Queen of the Universe without a second’s hesitation if only she could be pursuaded to accept the title?

    Thank you.

  • GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When will you people give this up? It’s a damned JOKE for godsakes!

    Ron Paul_WILL_NOT_WANT_DK_FOR_ANYTHING

  • What”s so wrong with being in Congress? Some people just aren’t meant to actually run things and make sure that stuff gets done. Some people are just supposed to sit in the legislative position and watch over the guy running things. And that would include Kucinich, Paul, Gravel, and every Republican I’ve ever met.

    And even then, the Democrats should be in the majority of the legislative body, as they want to make government work, and Republicans should be in the opposition, because they don’t. That’s just how things should be and where things will always settle out in the long run, as Republicans will always screw things up if put in charge because they don’t like government and think it should only work for themselves. But the main point is: If you don’t think government works, you shouldn’t be in charge of one. And if you want to be free to make opinions that aren’t popular, you shouldn’t run for a political office that requires popularity. It’s that simple. Again, there’s nothing wrong with being in Congress if that’s where your talents lie.

  • Doesn’t anyone remember that in the Old days (not sure how long ago), the winner of the presidential election became the president and the runner up became the vice president?

    I always thought that was a good idea. Counter balance, or check and balance.

    Look at what we have today. Many people are afraid of impeaching Bush because we would get Chenney!

  • “Considering Ron Paul as a running mate shows that Kucinich isn’t a viable candidate. Hopefully it may quiet his fan club a little.” Uh, considering that they APPLAUDED him, need we say more about his … fan club? It may have been a joke, but it was also pandering to the nuts who have made a cult out of both Kucinich and Ron Paul. They both court the same wingnuts.

  • It amazes me that a candidate that gets everything right and on the issues has no equal. Can so easily be discounted by those who claim they want everything he offers but refuse to believe he can actually give it to them. Who is so far ahead of all the other candidates it’s not even close and because someone can find nothing to say or debate with him on the issues they make statements like “his prattle, not presidential material, not viable, squander their intellect, and the odd couple”, while easily ignoring all the facts. They know nothing and prove it by dismissing the best candidate without ever even investigating the real record. The only real change would come through Kucinich…all the rest is business as usual. He’s voted right on all the issues the first time…not just “stood on a box and said true stuff”. Some of you people remind me of those who, if someone appeared who had all the answers to every problem in the universe would claim, “I don’t think it’s a good idea that we have all the answers to all our problems”… or “why should we listen to you , you can’t fly”. I saw no statements of fact or support of negative positions, mere rhetoric meant to belittle what could not even be debated. Keep paying the ins. go betweens while getting eliminated from HC coverage, keep paying half your taxes to support the war profiteers, keep giving up your rights to privacy, keep watching the housing market deteriorate and be apart of the peak oil economic energy collapse and tell your children I was too conceded and stubborn to even see what was good for me when it was standing right in front of me. Kucinich demonstrated a better way, told Rumsfeld off to his face in front of a national audience instead of through “letters”. He’’s done what the others only allude to. Old prissy condescending know it alls can’t see or hear anymore when they decide to refuse to listen.
    And today of all days must have excited CB to climax…he finally found something to make fun of Kucinich with after a long and desperate struggle to make him seem not good enough for the elitist position of presidential candidate.
    Kucinich represents the last vestige of hope for making America what it claims it wants to be. None of the other’s records come close to matching what he has already done.

    Why Kucinich would think bipartisan as a way of binding the country together is purely due to being hopeful…Soon he will learn that the only good republican is already pushing up daisies.

  • Ron Paul’s personal belief is one of pro-life, but he does not believe that the federal government has the legal constitutional authority to be making this decision for the entire country. He does not want to change the decision of Roe vs Wade, he wants to cancel it out as if it did not happen. This is an issue that is supposed to be decided upon by the states.

    One of the reasons for having states be so involved in many issues, instead of the fed, is so that they would basically be competing for our support. States that fail their people will lose the support of those people, and thus funding from them, when those people move to states who do right by the people.

  • In addition to that last message I wanted to add that is how Kucinich’s pro-choice stance can fit in with Ron Paul’s pro-life. Paul does not want the federal government involved in the issue at all. Therefore, their personal beliefs will not have any affect on policy in regards to this.

    Also, if I’m recalling correctly, Kucinich was pro-life during his first 3 terms in congress until he changed his position to support a woman’s right to choose back in 2003.

  • I can tell your article isn’t biased or anything. How can people be so stupid as to put down a man that consistently fights for all of our rights?

    I will be voting for the only honest candidate, the only one who has Integrity.

    Dennis Kucinich!

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