Giuliani and the ‘Shag Fund’ controversy

Following up on an item from yesterday, Ben Smith had a blockbuster when he reported, “As New York mayor, Rudy Giuliani billed obscure city agencies for tens of thousands of dollars in security expenses amassed during the time when he was beginning an extramarital relationship with future wife Judith Nathan in the Hamptons, according to previously undisclosed government records.”

Given the explosive nature of the controversy, CNN’s Anderson Cooper brought up the subject during last night’s debate, the only non-YouTube question of the night.

MR. COOPER: Since we’re on fiscal matters, I would be remiss if I didn’t ask this question, since it did just break a couple hours ago. This is to Mayor Giuliani.

Politico broke a story a few hours ago questioning your accounting of taxpayer dollars as mayor. They say that as mayor — the report says you took trips to the Hamptons and expensed the cost of your police detail to obscure city offices. One, is that true? And if so, was it appropriate?

MR. GIULIANI: First of all, it’s not true. I had 24-hour security for the eight years that I was mayor. They followed me every place I went. It was because there were, you know, threats, threats that I don’t generally talk about. Some have become public recently; most of them haven’t. And they took care of me, and they put it in their records, and they handled them in the way they handled them. I had nothing to do with the handling of their records. And they were handled, as far as I know, perfectly appropriately.

As explanations for a well-documented scandal go, Giuliani sounded as if he were passing the buck. It’s not so much a denial as a “don’t-blame-me” defense. Or, as Josh Marshall put it, “Rudy isn’t denying anything. He’s just saying he’s not responsible.”

Given that we’re talking about a controversy dealing with adultery, financial irregularities, misuse of official city resources, and an attempt to conceal the mayor’s conduct, and there’s a lengthy paper trail to bolster the veracity of the story, Giuliani may have to come up with something a little more compelling.

Josh, who has already labeled this the “Shag Fund” controversy, fleshes out the nuances of the former mayor’s rationalization.

He says the security detail went with me everywhere, i.e., they had to come when I went to visit Judy too. And I can’t be responsible for where they billed the expense to. So Rudy’s argument is that in the city he runs, actually in the office of the mayor, someone else was hiding these charges to shield the affair. But not him and he didn’t know about it.

A few points on this. Rudy seems to be leaving a pretty big door open to suggest that if these funds weren’t handled in a normal way it was the cops who did it not him. I’ve been told though that Bernie Kerik took a hands-on supervisory role running Rudy’s security detail all through his administration. When he was over at Corrections and when he was Police Commissioner. Bernie and Rudy are sort of bird’s of a feather on this sort of thing. So I’d say you want to give Bernie Kerik a pretty close look on this whole thing.

If not Kerik, what about the NYPD? He’s saying whatever happened was their doing. Can we talk to them and see what they say?

As for traditional news outlets, the New York Daily News picked up on the story with a big front-page piece today.

Rudy Giuliani faced new questions Wednesday about his illicit affair with Judi Nathan after records emerged suggesting the tab for cops guarding their Hamptons love nest was buried in obscure City Hall accounts.

The rest of the print media has been much slower. The NYT hasn’t mentioned the scandal at all, the WaPo, while it had plenty of room for a ridiculous story about Obama’s non-existent Muslim background, gave the story three sentences, buried deep in a story about last night’s debate.

Also, one of Giuliani’s predecessors is weighing in with some damaging criticism.

Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani acted improperly and appeared to be covering something up when he charged the cost of his and his girlfriend’s security detail to obscure New York City agencies, former mayor Ed Koch told the Huffington Post. […]

“There is something improper about charging costs to a department other than the NYPD,” said Koch. “They are the ones who are supposed to pick him up no matter where he is whether or not it’s in the city.”

Koch, who served as the mayor of New York City from 1978 to 1989, said that the episode gave off the appearance that Giuliani, who was at the time married to his second wife Donna Hanover, was trying to hide his affair. He also suggested that Judith Nathan received her own personal protection, which would have been, according to Koch, a flagrant misuse of taxpayer money.

On a variety of occasions, I’ve seen Republican scandals that I thought would be a huge deal but ended up fizzling, so I’m probably not the ideal judge. That said, the “Shag Fund” controversy looks like it should effectively finish Giuliani’s campaign.

The “markets” seem to agree — take a look at the steep over-night fall in the future’s market. If I had money on this, I’d do the same thing.

Can someone please locate the police who protected him? I’m sure they’ve got loads of good stories. Otherwise, this story never gets off the ground. Now if Rudy were a Democrat…

  • huh? wattaya mean scandal? it’s like this, see, my boys, see, they take care a me, see. an they send the bills where they send em, see? youse little guys dont need to worry bout where i am or what i’m doin, see, just know i’m workin, see, takin care of bidness, see, an my boys, they’re lookin out for me!

  • Now imagine if you will if there was even a hint that Bill Clinton had misapropriated funds in order to hide his affair with Monica Lewenski. It would have been on the front page of every major daily within hours. Hell, they would all have printed special editions. The MSM in the US is non existant anymore. Corporate ownership and concentration of media has destroyed american journalism.

  • Who cares if the Mayor of 9/11 shagged (another) tart and billed us for her services? I want to know why Bill and Hillary don’t spend more time together. Is their marriage falling apart? Is he tired of her laugh?

    Hey media: YOU REALLY SUCK.

  • shagtastic @ Steve Benen:

    Keep up the good work.
    Prove me wrong…. (again).

    In the meanwhile,
    I will hold firm like a republican to my prior, increasingly false, statements:

    1) Big media has a different sexual and social ethics for D’s and R’s.
    2) Get over it.

    On second thought:
    Maybe 1 and 2 are still true but…
    The revolution has been broadbanded.
    Big media no longer matters as much.
    And the net… and its bloggers… have tipped the scales.

  • Given the explosive nature of the controversy, CNN’s Anderson Cooper brought up the subject during last night’s debate, the only non-YouTube question of the night.

    Gotta give credit where credit is due. CNN has a long way to go to restore its credibility, but this was a step in the right direction.

    When will the rest of the MSM actually give this story its due? If it starts to make more traction this weekend and is sustained into the early part of next week, then its all over but for the cryin’ for Ruuuudddi. If all it gets is a few paltry mentions on Sunday’s talking head shows and no real newspaper coverage, then it’ll fizzle out and he’ll stay in the race.

    I’m predicting the latter and am kinda ambivalent about it. I think Ruudddi is pretty vulnerable in the general to stories like this. Social conservatives just won’t rally as much for someone with a history like this. Then again, he is so authoritarian that even the possibility of him being President makes me shudder.

  • Several years ago Jimmy Breslin wrote a Newsday column about the police squiring Giuliani’s girlfriends (yes, plural) around and how they almost ran into each other.

  • Guiliani’s campaign has been sunk…on the internet.

    Why would the charges for the security detail be charged any differently for his visits to the Hamptons than any of the other security details? That by itself would show dishonesty and misuse of funds.
    Once again the most corrupt point is the pass the MSM will give on this issue and any other Guiliani misdeed. We are being sold this candidate so beware. It has become way too obvious. The powers that be, that own the MSM for the most part, that want permanent war want him in power. No other candidate ever with Rudy’s baggage would still be in the race. The people will have none of him but we are being convinced that Rudy is somehow still viable.

  • My question is Will Republicans bother to vote? My dad’s golfing buddies are all rabid republicans and they tell him (the lone Democrat) that they are so disgusted with the entire field they don’t plan on voting.

  • Methinks I hear the sounds of oars splashiing in the water, as the lifeboats begin to pull away from the mortally-stricken SS GhoulChild.

    Beyond the hilarity of seeing this stupid little weasel brought down by his own misactions, I think the better scenario is that the carnivorous media-fishies just might actually wake up and smell blood in the campaign waters. They’ve repeatedly demonstrated their appetite for scandalous stories, so much so that they’re even willing to invent dirt so as to make mud for slinging. Maybe—just maybe—they’ll develop an appetite for ready-made mud—courtesy of the GOP.

    It’s just a shame that the shameless imps who serve in Rupert’s accounting offices haven’t realized just how much profit there could be in systematically crushing the entire cadre of GOP candidates….

  • I still wanna know why, not one, but MULTIPLE women would want to fuck this guy.

    Look at him! His face looks like an ass.

  • In last night’s Republican CNN/YouTube debate, Rudy Giuliani provided Americans with a rare moment of candor about the Bible and himself. Asked if every word of the Bible was literally true, Giuliani replied that much of it was “allegorical.” Given his repeated distortions, exaggerations and outright falsehoods, Giuliani could have been describing his own campaign. In the Gospel According to Rudy, the tale of the 9/11 hero fighting terrorist evil isn’t literally true, either.

    For the details, see:
    “The Gospel According to Rudy.”

  • Asked if every word of the Bible was literally true, Giuliani replied that much of it was “allegorical.”

    I don’t know about other’s here, but evidence that Ruuuuddeeee is not full-on wingnut insane doesn’t change my estimation of his authoritarian nature. That he holds reasonable views on the Bible does little to boost my estimation of him.

    That said, I’m glad he made such a statement. It will only solidify his low standing among social conservatives.

  • Just a few quick thoughts:

    1) This will be a non-scandal within the week.

    2) It has nothing to do with the media. It’s because when rabid Republican pundits smell a potential story, they push it into the mainstream. They call their buddies. They spend money and time and energy making damn sure people know all about it (or at least, all about their spin of “it”). Democrats, on the other hand, sit and wait for the media to do the work for them. I wonder who wins?

  • “Shag Fund”? That’s a catchy enough name to tempt even the MSM. Wonder how many MSM pundicks read TPM?

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